philsey
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I see my sarcasm was wasted on you too BWI .... I'm surprised.
Halogen vs LED bulbs
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I see my sarcasm was wasted on you too BWI .... I'm surprised.
4Runner_101
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your either a 13 year old that enjoys messing with people, or you have waaay too much time on your hands......or both.....get a job, or wife, or hobby
SKP-4R
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For those actually interested in upgrading to an HID rather than express their cunning hyperbolic sarcasm, XenonDepot is running a 15% discount on all of their HID kits. Offer ends tomorrow:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/www-k...-led-bulbs-much-much-more-56.html#post2078958
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/www-k...-led-bulbs-much-much-more-56.html#post2078958
CoastieRon
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Well considering [MENTION=51186]philsey[/MENTION] has to be at least over the age of 16 or 17 to drive, let alone probably have a well paying job to purchase a vehicle or obtain a loan, that must mean he probably has way too much time on his hands...unsure about the wife but it's a pretty strong assumption that he has a job and at least one hobby (we are all on this forum right?), I don't even know how he has time to post on a forum like this...
Oh, and I don't know about Canada but in America, we like to spell "your", "you're" being the contraction of "you" and "are" vs possessive pronouns...
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marshal
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i'm still confused about the premium cars in colder climates thing. no shortage of them up here in oil country
and how do you just through an LED bulb in your stock light housing and not get pulled out of your truck window and beat to death for blinding everyone in your path? do you not drive outside the city?
i hate that you have people saying shit like that "works fine". it makes it hard to tell truth from fiction on the internets.
and how do you just through an LED bulb in your stock light housing and not get pulled out of your truck window and beat to death for blinding everyone in your path? do you not drive outside the city?
i hate that you have people saying shit like that "works fine". it makes it hard to tell truth from fiction on the internets.
Boardmember
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Damn I am hesitant to weigh in, but will - with two indisputable facts (hoping these puzzle pieces will help someone have a greater understanding of lighting and add these factoids to others to form a suitable conclusion for their individual purpose):
* LED loves cold. It performs well, is energy efficient and you experience rated longevity when LED operates in cold. This is especially important for the driver (LED power source/controller for lack of another couple paragraphs). You ever see LED in grocery store coolers? That's why.
* Lighting color temperature is rated in degrees Kelvin. Google it. Fascinating. Lower numbers are yellower. Higher numbers, more blue/white. The rods & cones in the human eye perceive the bluer light better, it looks brighter. It's frequently not. Brightness is rated as lumen output. You van have a 2300K and a 5000k lamp (bulb) with the exact lumen output rating, but the 5000k will appear brighter.
* LED loves cold. It performs well, is energy efficient and you experience rated longevity when LED operates in cold. This is especially important for the driver (LED power source/controller for lack of another couple paragraphs). You ever see LED in grocery store coolers? That's why.
* Lighting color temperature is rated in degrees Kelvin. Google it. Fascinating. Lower numbers are yellower. Higher numbers, more blue/white. The rods & cones in the human eye perceive the bluer light better, it looks brighter. It's frequently not. Brightness is rated as lumen output. You van have a 2300K and a 5000k lamp (bulb) with the exact lumen output rating, but the 5000k will appear brighter.
Jhalko
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I don't need to know the technicals of it, but I notice more and more idiots driving around Denver with lights they've "improved" which I find almost blinding at times. I'm baffled at my own self control not to "signal" to them with the LED bar....
It's your car, but be considerate of how it will impact others when you are improving things.
It's your car, but be considerate of how it will impact others when you are improving things.
philsey
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Evidently Canadians don't recognize sarcasm.
101 posted these....
.... which were just silly questions. So, I responded thus:
101 never did get it .... maybe it's the cold, eh?
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4Runner_101
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Actually!! In Canada, we like to say SHUT THE FRIDGE UP :AK47:
4Runner_101
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your right, i did end up getting 35w HID's at 5000k color and people in smaller vehicles are getting reeeeaall cheesed at me when im behind them :s anyone know if i can adjust the height of the bulbs??
HID vs Halogen vs LED
Yes I never leave the lights alone in my vehicles, I live in the Columbia Gorge and it is just freaking dark and full of 4 legged critters that like to cross the interstate at the times when I am going and coming home from work 6 months of the year.
First, I have HIDs in the Driving and Fog postitions and LE in the High slot.
Headlight is a pair of 55W 3000K HID, been installed for 2 years this October.
Fog Light is a pair of 35W 3000K HID, same duration
High Beam is a pair of 75W LED 6000K, 1 year in October
First hurdle was mounting the ballasts in the 4 runner because I use the Xenetec branded ones from eBay and have since my 2006 CRV. I mount them to the unibody steel and put heat sink conductive paste on the bottom to help with transfer.
The fogs present the biggest problem, there is not a good mounting slot anywhere so I used a Beamer clamp, I use them for work to mount conduit to beams and trays, they are cheap and galvanized so they are good for years, and the square head bolt allows you to clamp down on the mounting surface. Mine is gripped to the angled mount of the lower facia on both sides. Heat is not an issue as long as the vehicle is moving.
As some know the HIDs take time to warm up the ballast so for High beams they suck and dont last, so in comes the LED upgrades. I put the 75W LEDs in the High and they are instant on and just as bright as stock. didnt need them brighter since I have a 32" Light bar running in tandem with the High beam switch.
My observations with running the HIDs down the road is that running the lower color temp of 3000 Kelvin keeps the oncoming traffic from being pestered by my lights and the people in front of me dont seem to be shielding themselve more than when I was running stock lights.
Kicking over the High LEDs yeilds good even lighting that penetrates down the road well.
Yes I never leave the lights alone in my vehicles, I live in the Columbia Gorge and it is just freaking dark and full of 4 legged critters that like to cross the interstate at the times when I am going and coming home from work 6 months of the year.
First, I have HIDs in the Driving and Fog postitions and LE in the High slot.
Headlight is a pair of 55W 3000K HID, been installed for 2 years this October.
Fog Light is a pair of 35W 3000K HID, same duration
High Beam is a pair of 75W LED 6000K, 1 year in October
First hurdle was mounting the ballasts in the 4 runner because I use the Xenetec branded ones from eBay and have since my 2006 CRV. I mount them to the unibody steel and put heat sink conductive paste on the bottom to help with transfer.
The fogs present the biggest problem, there is not a good mounting slot anywhere so I used a Beamer clamp, I use them for work to mount conduit to beams and trays, they are cheap and galvanized so they are good for years, and the square head bolt allows you to clamp down on the mounting surface. Mine is gripped to the angled mount of the lower facia on both sides. Heat is not an issue as long as the vehicle is moving.
As some know the HIDs take time to warm up the ballast so for High beams they suck and dont last, so in comes the LED upgrades. I put the 75W LEDs in the High and they are instant on and just as bright as stock. didnt need them brighter since I have a 32" Light bar running in tandem with the High beam switch.
My observations with running the HIDs down the road is that running the lower color temp of 3000 Kelvin keeps the oncoming traffic from being pestered by my lights and the people in front of me dont seem to be shielding themselve more than when I was running stock lights.
Kicking over the High LEDs yeilds good even lighting that penetrates down the road well.
philsey
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Good God man, can you do nothing for yourself? Heaven forbid you search, or, GASP look in the OM.
Remember this?
Saker
Senior Member
Are you serious with this post?
As long as there are small cars and larger truck's & SUV's there will always be this issue of people in the lower vehicles getting hit by headlights, that's the nature of the beast.
Maybe you need to lower your T4R down to the level of the small cars so this doesn't happen, and be sure to read your manual so you can point your headlights lower than the specs while you are at it.
Now that will alleviate you from "getting reeeeaall cheesed at" (WTFTM's).
But in all seriousness, you can aim your headlights down just a little more and still see well, also will with your dilemma.
Jhalko
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Personally I would have taken it easy on the guy, he recognized it's a problem and didn't just say F off and wants to be considerate.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/63007-headlight-aiming.html#post527781
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4Runner_101
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you both have autism or at least A.D.D because i said so, there's an 8mm screw that easily adjust the headlights and now its perfect.
20DYNAMITE07
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Unless you also upgraded your reflectors/projectors to a HID compatible one, then it doesn't matter how you aim your lights.
If you would like to know why, then read this Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply
For anyone else on the fence about putting HIDs in a reflector/projector designed for halogen bulbs, please don't. You're actually losing light output, while simultaneously blinding everyone around you.
ProspectiveBuyer
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Daniel Stern used to post on rec.autos.driving back in the days of Usenet newsgroups. Great, very knowledgeable guy.
Whiplash Willy
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So you don't want to get HIDs because the ballasts always break, which makes them unreliable.
So instead, you want to get LED lights, that also have ballasts, and in addition have small cooling fans, that will also probley always break. Plus, reasonably priced LED Headlights are mostly made in China, which adds another factor of unreliability.
So instead, you want to get LED lights, that also have ballasts, and in addition have small cooling fans, that will also probley always break. Plus, reasonably priced LED Headlights are mostly made in China, which adds another factor of unreliability.
