You will definitely need to get used to essentially flooring it on those situations. It doesnt strain looking for gears but to get it to kick down the 2 or so gears needed you need to really put your foot down. That said I was regularly doing 70-80 in my 3 day rental. It likes to cruise at that speed. You just have to DEMAND it give you power instead of asking for it. Even then Id wager that it is still nowhere near the acceleration you are used to.
Has anyone gone from Land Rover to 4Runner?
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NoDak
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just have to be mindful of the 2014+ gas pedal travel for the first 1/3 of travel is geared toward mpg.
push deep into the travel and it will move the 4runner.
also around 73/74 mph you hit a wind wall that will cause the transmission to shift down if you have a head/cross wind.
above is my personal observation on the wind wall over the last year.
push deep into the travel and it will move the 4runner.
also around 73/74 mph you hit a wind wall that will cause the transmission to shift down if you have a head/cross wind.
above is my personal observation on the wind wall over the last year.
mnofpeace
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Im not going to say anything new. just my 4 cents:
two trucks ago i had a LandRover Disco 2 with all of the trimmings. I owned it for about 5yrs...and loved every inch of it. super smooth, super powerful, it was a tank in the snow, totally unstoppable. it made you feel like you were taking the queen out for brunch...right up until it stopped itself; again and again and again.
It is still one of my favs, but once those things get over 80k miels, they are a little unpredictable. and it was the ONLY vehicle i have owned in my lifetime that has left me stranded.
LR knows how to make a wonderfully riding, extremely capable rig...WHEN they are running. But if you start having issues, you will continue to have issues...
I am in a T4R for at least one similar reason we all are in them...reliability.
two trucks ago i had a LandRover Disco 2 with all of the trimmings. I owned it for about 5yrs...and loved every inch of it. super smooth, super powerful, it was a tank in the snow, totally unstoppable. it made you feel like you were taking the queen out for brunch...right up until it stopped itself; again and again and again.
It is still one of my favs, but once those things get over 80k miels, they are a little unpredictable. and it was the ONLY vehicle i have owned in my lifetime that has left me stranded.
LR knows how to make a wonderfully riding, extremely capable rig...WHEN they are running. But if you start having issues, you will continue to have issues...
I am in a T4R for at least one similar reason we all are in them...reliability.
JayceeP
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You should test drive a Limited.
4Runner pulls along nicely at 75-80mph and has no problem getting up to higher speeds at all IMO. As NoDak mentioned though, strong enough headwinds can cause downshifting at those higher speeds but I haven't experienced much of that. I find the 4Runner has enough torque and pulls just fine. For me though, my previous vehicle was a 4dr Jeep Wrangler with a 4 speed transmission. That thing would downshift on the highway if you sneezed the wrong way.
4Runner pulls along nicely at 75-80mph and has no problem getting up to higher speeds at all IMO. As NoDak mentioned though, strong enough headwinds can cause downshifting at those higher speeds but I haven't experienced much of that. I find the 4Runner has enough torque and pulls just fine. For me though, my previous vehicle was a 4dr Jeep Wrangler with a 4 speed transmission. That thing would downshift on the highway if you sneezed the wrong way.
Geez, we should start a support group...pretty much my experience exactly.
When new, my LR3 was amazing. I took advantage of the LR Experience offroad course and was awed by its capabilities. On-road, it was a gas guzzler, but it was smooth and comfortable. It was my wife's all-time favourite car (so far).
The downside to LR ownership is that the maintenance costs are quite high. I knew that going in and was quite comfortable paying the price of admission...until stupid stuff started to happen around year 5 (just out of warranty, of course).
Paying a premium for maintenance and religiously following the maintenance schedule is fine if the car holds up. The problem is, it didn't. Nothing major broke, but many little things were always popping up. And, even the "little things" would cost $1,000 to fix at the dealership. After leaving me stranded twice, I wanted out.
hamburglar210
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I considered the LR4 alongside my '13 TE and sometimes really wish I had the extra power for my trips into the mountains but I am very happy with my 4Runner. I would also be screwed if I had gone the LR4 route because my last roommate (read: ex girlfriend) who was helpign with rent decided she wanted out and stuck me with the rest of the lease so that makes my decision easier to live with.
Extra power would've been nice but I wanted this purchase to last damn near forever and didn't want to spend a lot of time in the shop.
Extra power would've been nice but I wanted this purchase to last damn near forever and didn't want to spend a lot of time in the shop.
CSix
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Wow - I-feel-your-pain... I was looking at an LR4 before i recently bought the 4R Trail. Then i remembered replacing just about every sensor, engine seals 3 times, air bags, on and on... all under warranty with no deductible and free rental car. I really enjoyed the Land Rover staff knowing me by name, the cookies at 4:00 in the afternoon and driving new Rangey's about every other shop visit...
Dexter Morgan
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Can someone comment on the Sport mode in the T4R? My aloof salesman took it out of sport upon leaving for the test drive indicating it was for "manual" shifting. I didn't bother to go back into Sport.
1engineer
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Don't call it sport mode. All the dumba$$es will quickly point out it is not a sport mode. Now that is all they will point out because they know nothing beyond that but believe me, they know that one fact lol.
It is simply a position in the shift lever that allows you to control the shift points of each gear. Sort of like an inline manual shifter without the clutch. To me that's sporty...
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You should look at the new Grand Cherokee. It's very similar in many ways to Land Rovers (that was their benchmark), much more so than a 4Runner.
For example, you can get a bunch of the same stuff in the Grand Cherokee that you'd get in a new Land Rover.....manually and/or automatic air suspension, leather covered dash, panoramic sunroof, bi-xenon HIDs, terrain settings, a V8 engine, 8-speed automatic transmission with shift paddles, configurable thin-film transistor dashboard display etc...
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NoDak
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lol all I saw there was :
manually and/or automatic air suspension (3-5k fix), leather covered dash (1k fix), panoramic sunroof (2k fix), bi-xenon HIDs (500 fix), terrain settings (750 fix), a V8 engine (4500 fix), 8-speed automatic transmission (4k fix), configurable thin-film transistor dashboard display (2k fix) etc..
Yup, probably all just about right. It's a features-rich vehicle for sure. But so is his Land Rover. THe difference is that you'd probably have to add at least 25% on to the price tag to repair/replace those same items on a Land Rover.
Anyway, my point was that Jeep went upscale with the new Grand Cherokee and specifically made it almost like an American Land Rover at half the price.
Comparing apples to oranges but some good info in here!
As far as the douchey thing... Living in an affluent area like we do, where there are so many RRs. We are not fans of RR owners' road manners.
We don't even own a 4runner yet, but we are much more impressed by their owners/drivers. We tend to view 4runner owners as much more intelligent, practical and purposeful than any LR owner.
As far as the douchey thing... Living in an affluent area like we do, where there are so many RRs. We are not fans of RR owners' road manners.
We don't even own a 4runner yet, but we are much more impressed by their owners/drivers. We tend to view 4runner owners as much more intelligent, practical and purposeful than any LR owner.
Dexter Morgan
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Too soft for me, and too many on the road (see Toyota Highlander) and I'm not a fan of Chrysler in any way shape or form.
Essentially its keep the Range, or go to a '15 Trail...or a '16 Tacoma???? the pics look pretty good.
Definitely a ton of them on the road. Jeep sells them like hotcakes.
But what do you mean by "too soft"? You're coming from a Land Rover. That's the king of soft.
Dexter Morgan
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I don't necessarily mean the ride, I just don't think it's rugged enough anymore. The 4runner is for sure. And no the Land Cruiser doesn't appear to be rugged but does have that prestige factor and unbelievably compliant ride and that's what I really like about it. It also has heritage.
So I guess what I am trying to say is that the Jeep lacks the "toughness" factor but then doesn't even make up for it with any prestige - it just seems...ordinary to me. And it is way too common - I have always been a bit of a niche vehicle buyer.
Detail oriented too, they made sure to include Land Rover's reknowned unreliability... also for half the price.
Matteblack
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I drove a 2004 Full Size Range Rover from 2006-2011 then a full size 2007 Supercharged from 2011-2012 (photo below). While beautiful and a pleasure to drive my experience with both was poor reliability and very expensive repairs. The '07 had its air suspension replaced and a variety of engine and electrical issues.
I was very fortunate to discover the 5th gen Trail Edition in spring of 2012 picked one up and I love it. I do have an Icon suspension system that has an incredible ride so its different than going from a RR to stock.
RR's are beautiful looking and a delight to drive but the are no longer for me. I will likely stick with T4R for good.
Best of luck!
MB
I was very fortunate to discover the 5th gen Trail Edition in spring of 2012 picked one up and I love it. I do have an Icon suspension system that has an incredible ride so its different than going from a RR to stock.
RR's are beautiful looking and a delight to drive but the are no longer for me. I will likely stick with T4R for good.
Best of luck!
MB
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Dexter Morgan
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Thanks [MENTION=79556]Matteblack[/MENTION]! That's a carbon copy of what I have now. I don't know if it's my older, wiser years (I'm still < 40 though!) but I want to make that smart choice rather than the super sexy one. A nice, mildly built 4runner is really what I'm envisioning.
Like you, I will immediately be uprating the suspension if I get the '15 Trail, perhaps with the OME kit or even as basic as the 5100's to remedy the overly cushy ride and level it out.
[MENTION=68664]mattb[/MENTION]lack, please post a pic of your setup, never hurts for me to see as many setups as possible so I can select the correct one for my needs. I just hate the stock 4runner's "head down in shame" factory rake.
Like you, I will immediately be uprating the suspension if I get the '15 Trail, perhaps with the OME kit or even as basic as the 5100's to remedy the overly cushy ride and level it out.
[MENTION=68664]mattb[/MENTION]lack, please post a pic of your setup, never hurts for me to see as many setups as possible so I can select the correct one for my needs. I just hate the stock 4runner's "head down in shame" factory rake.
drsus
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funny this came up because i just had a friend ask me why i have both still so i went into a good long talk about it.....
Im going to talk about a different kind of land rover, a stock $2-3K used land rover discovery series I and how it compares only off roading because obviously these don't really compare outside that. one is old and unreliable and the other is brand new and a toyota.
l have a land rover discovery 1999 SD. I paid $2600 used with 50K miles and in perfect condition.
let me preface with the fact that I LOOOOVE my 4runner. I would never say a bad thing about it because it exactly what i was looking for in it...but i know its place in the pecking order as far as when i go on an overland trip.
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As far as off road capabilities the 4runner is great but the Disco is head a shoulders above it. you can site as much as you want about either truck but I've put both through their paces and the gap is noticeable enough that theres simply no argument.. much like comporting a Rubicon to a 4runner. yes the 4runner will follow it anywhere, but the Rubi will do it that much easier.
Then theres the money. For the price of a suspension lift on a 4runner you buy a perfect condition disco with 60-80k miles on it that will run another 200k. And by the time you finish making that a go-anywhere-beast of an overlander with an awesome comfortable off road ride and plush cabin...you've still only paid half or maybe a little over half of the msrp on a stock 4runner. But even that aside, after a 4" lift on my Disco (you can go as nuts height wise as you want for the same money, but 4" is what i did, most do 2") , with all the geometry and HD part needed to make it all jive, i still have money left for protection (bumpers, sliders, skids etc) and maybe even a detroit locker, where the 4runner is still only at suspension and 2-3" lift max. The difference in price to get both of these to the same level is huge. then when thats all said and done, the suspension articulation and the ground clearance difference between these two is light years apart anyway.
Then, there's the cargo and the size of the trucks itself. The 4runner is a great size, but compared to the disco its wider, shorter height and longer wheelbase. If you overland enough then you know what that means when comparing to the narrower, taller shorter wheelbase Disco. Basically, better for trails and more cargo.
Reliability? yeah, the disco blows big time, we all know that ..... IF you know nothing about cars that is.
the 1999 disco series I is basically all mechanical analog truck...no gismos, electronic digidoos to screw you half way out the trail. Once you replace the leaky head gasket that all these suffer from, mechanically this truck will run as long as you own it. It has a basic harness/electrical system and all the drivetrain parts are mechanical and extremely easy to service ON THE TRAIL. If you know the truck then you carry 3 sensors in the glovebox...that alone eliminates 99.9% of what goes bad on these trucks. You can count on the heated seats and sunroofs to give you hell every now and then, but they're just moody, thats all.
on the pavement... thats why i have the 4runner. The disco is borderline a trailer queen now after everything I've done, but even stock the thing is a pig with the handling characteristics of a cheerleader piramid. I don't trailer it, but it has no sway bars ( i took the off for articu), its 4-5" higher than stock, it has tons of protection on it (weight), no even 200HP, weighs a tons stock and its top heavy...so driving 12 hours on pavement to some destinations is a slow going affair. The 4runner in the other hand, with or without a full lift, is a pleasure, no need to go into it, you all know that.
Where does the 4runner fit? it fits in 99% of my trips, the ones that don't go on to trails that require serious crawling for extended amount of times to cross a valley and such (the flint trail or mormon trail in UT for reference). The 4runner will get a 2-3" lift and some protection, but it won't be turned into some beast, i want this one for the whole family to enjoy short RELIABLE trips that i won't find myself changing a blown axel or things of that sort.
thats how both of my trucks fit and they both serve that purpose perfectly.
TL;DR land rover discovery series 1s suck at everything but off roading in comfort... so you should definitively own one because aside form being $2600 ... when the pavement ends, they run circles around the 4runner and you won't care if you scratch it.
Im going to talk about a different kind of land rover, a stock $2-3K used land rover discovery series I and how it compares only off roading because obviously these don't really compare outside that. one is old and unreliable and the other is brand new and a toyota.
l have a land rover discovery 1999 SD. I paid $2600 used with 50K miles and in perfect condition.
let me preface with the fact that I LOOOOVE my 4runner. I would never say a bad thing about it because it exactly what i was looking for in it...but i know its place in the pecking order as far as when i go on an overland trip.
.
As far as off road capabilities the 4runner is great but the Disco is head a shoulders above it. you can site as much as you want about either truck but I've put both through their paces and the gap is noticeable enough that theres simply no argument.. much like comporting a Rubicon to a 4runner. yes the 4runner will follow it anywhere, but the Rubi will do it that much easier.
Then theres the money. For the price of a suspension lift on a 4runner you buy a perfect condition disco with 60-80k miles on it that will run another 200k. And by the time you finish making that a go-anywhere-beast of an overlander with an awesome comfortable off road ride and plush cabin...you've still only paid half or maybe a little over half of the msrp on a stock 4runner. But even that aside, after a 4" lift on my Disco (you can go as nuts height wise as you want for the same money, but 4" is what i did, most do 2") , with all the geometry and HD part needed to make it all jive, i still have money left for protection (bumpers, sliders, skids etc) and maybe even a detroit locker, where the 4runner is still only at suspension and 2-3" lift max. The difference in price to get both of these to the same level is huge. then when thats all said and done, the suspension articulation and the ground clearance difference between these two is light years apart anyway.
Then, there's the cargo and the size of the trucks itself. The 4runner is a great size, but compared to the disco its wider, shorter height and longer wheelbase. If you overland enough then you know what that means when comparing to the narrower, taller shorter wheelbase Disco. Basically, better for trails and more cargo.
Reliability? yeah, the disco blows big time, we all know that ..... IF you know nothing about cars that is.
the 1999 disco series I is basically all mechanical analog truck...no gismos, electronic digidoos to screw you half way out the trail. Once you replace the leaky head gasket that all these suffer from, mechanically this truck will run as long as you own it. It has a basic harness/electrical system and all the drivetrain parts are mechanical and extremely easy to service ON THE TRAIL. If you know the truck then you carry 3 sensors in the glovebox...that alone eliminates 99.9% of what goes bad on these trucks. You can count on the heated seats and sunroofs to give you hell every now and then, but they're just moody, thats all.
on the pavement... thats why i have the 4runner. The disco is borderline a trailer queen now after everything I've done, but even stock the thing is a pig with the handling characteristics of a cheerleader piramid. I don't trailer it, but it has no sway bars ( i took the off for articu), its 4-5" higher than stock, it has tons of protection on it (weight), no even 200HP, weighs a tons stock and its top heavy...so driving 12 hours on pavement to some destinations is a slow going affair. The 4runner in the other hand, with or without a full lift, is a pleasure, no need to go into it, you all know that.
Where does the 4runner fit? it fits in 99% of my trips, the ones that don't go on to trails that require serious crawling for extended amount of times to cross a valley and such (the flint trail or mormon trail in UT for reference). The 4runner will get a 2-3" lift and some protection, but it won't be turned into some beast, i want this one for the whole family to enjoy short RELIABLE trips that i won't find myself changing a blown axel or things of that sort.
thats how both of my trucks fit and they both serve that purpose perfectly.
TL;DR land rover discovery series 1s suck at everything but off roading in comfort... so you should definitively own one because aside form being $2600 ... when the pavement ends, they run circles around the 4runner and you won't care if you scratch it.
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