Has anyone gone from Land Rover to 4Runner?

[JohnJerk]

I performed a T4R officially sanctioned review of recent posts in this thread.

Here are the conclusions:

I have confirmed that T.Rock is a troll and has some gene share with Stifler.

JGC is much less reliable than T4R and will thus have a higher percentages of shop visits.

There is a high probability that the JGC will experience failure in the remote mountain west.

This leads to more time in the shop and associated inconveniences, including premature death of JGC owners (this is true even with correction for higher than average smoking rate of jeep owners).

The lowered reliability of the JGC has a statistically significant negative correlation (r^2=1) with resale value and thus is a very dumb move particularly for those who claim to buy cars in cash on the internets.

Thus and such.

 

[Jayhawk5G]

T.Rock... give it up... you're trying to pass highly suspect speculation as fact and no one is buying it. If you love Land Rover or Jeep that much drive one, and live your 3 day a year dream.

 

[Jetboy]

You may have missed the part where I explained that I worked as a dealership technician. I can tell you with certainty that the vast majority of vehicles are in and out of the shop in one day. And I mean the VAST majority. BTW, the supply chain for auto parts is amazing. Parts that aren't in stock are often delivered within two hours from the time they are ordered. We used to have upwards of 8 parts deliveries per day.

You may have missed the part where I said you're full of bovine excrement?

Many parts are not delivered with hours or even next day. Believe it or not - I actually have owned a few vehicles. My last IS250 was vandalized at the dealer - $20k in parts alone to repair it. Took 8 weeks - mostly waiting for parts from Japan and Canada. It's not plausible that LR has a better parts supply than Lexus/Toyota.

Lets say I have one of the Range Rovers with the transmission recall from a few years ago. Do you really think every LR dealer has a transmission sitting in the back for every time a flatbed shows up with a RR on the back?

Like I said. Complete nonsense. If you'd like, I'll pick an relatively common part - lets go with a wire harness - from a late model Land Rover and later when the LR dealer opens, I'll call and see what the wait time is. What's your guess on time? I'm guessing at least 4 days.

 

[1engineer]

T.Rock... give it up... your trying to pass highly suspect speculation as fact and no one is buying it. If you love Land Rover or Jeep that much drive one, and live your 3 day a year dream.

Reading T.Rock's posts makes me just look at the screen, tilt my head sideways a bit and squint...

 

[badhabits]

I do not think that this thread is about reliability any more but is about being on the defensive about making the right decision on the vehicle we have purchased. It calls into question our personal abilities for decision making, and therefore any evidence that is presented is ignored. I have seen this before in other auto forums and see it in this thread. t.rock owns a JCG and we own T4rs there sets up the conflict. We presents an argument and t.rock replies and it all is emotional weather we mean it to be or not. So lets agree to disagree.
And yes I consider myself to be just as emotionally involved as any one here.

:typing:

 

[PNTRDPROO]

I do not think that this is about reliability any more but is about being on the defensive about making the right decision on the vehicle we have purchased. It calls into question our personal abilities for decision making, and therefore any evidence that is presented is ignored. I have seen this before in other auto forums and see it in this thread. t.rock owns a JCG and we own T4rs there sets up the conflict. We presents an argument and t.rock replies and it all is emotional weather we mean it to be or not. So lets agree to disagree.
And yes I consider myself to be just as emotionally involved as any one here.

:typing:

I agree with you... Except for the fact that I own none of the aforementioned vehicles. I own a Nissan

 

[itsdchz]

Our LR spent a total of 6 days in the shop during a 2 year period. 2 days for a recall issue, 2 days for a steering wheel column button issue, and another 2 days on 2 other occasions to diagnose issues. That was all before 33,000 miles when our Transmission fault warning appeared. I am sure that most people are fine for the life of a LR, but you are playing the odds after 50,000 miles for sure on the LR. I didn't like the odds, and as stated, I too am a forum whore, and YES the LR forums are plagued with people begging for answers, or trying to get others to document their issues, and discuss ways that dealer X will not cover an issue when dealer Y did. Not worth the hassle. I just want a car to run well, and let me enjoy mods and driving. I am very glad, for those reasons, that the LR is gone, and the Lexus NX is here. But, I am very sad at the awesome memories made in the LR, driving across the country, climbs from 0 to 12,000 ft, off road trails, and the fun we had. That would have soon faded with the buckets of $$ we would have used for repairs rather than trips....

 

[T.Rock]

People post on this forum saying they haven't had any issues...

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/135428-who-has-most-miles-so-far-5th-gen.html

This is just one of several threads where people can be found saying I've had the vehicle for so long or so many miles with no issues.

LOL @ you for taking my words so literally. Of course I can find posts on ANY automotive forum where people say they have no issues. When I said that people don't post about not having issues, I was generalizing. Lets use some common sense, shall we? I can absolutely guarantee you that I can find FAR MORE posts about people having issues on this forum than I can find about people posting that they have no issues. Now using logic, does that mean the 4Runner is an unreliable vehicle? Of course it doesn't. LOLOL

 

[T.Rock]

T.Rock... give it up... you're trying to pass highly suspect speculation as fact and no one is buying it. If you love Land Rover or Jeep that much drive one, and live your 3 day a year dream.

Aleady did. After owning a 4Runner for nearly the last 20 years (between 3rd and 4th gens), I switched to a Grand Cherokee.

So far, I'm averaging less than 1% in the shop with the Jeep. Amazing, huh?:rofl::rofl:

 

[T.Rock]

My last IS250 was vandalized at the dealer - $20k in parts alone to repair it. Took 8 weeks - mostly waiting for parts from Japan and Canada.

Wait....what? 8 weeks? LOL, well, that certainly hurts the Toyota average. BTW, IS250? Seriously? *shakin' my head* Your money would have been better spent on a Corolla S. Probably would have been an upgrade in performance too.:bounce:

 

[T.Rock]

Our LR spent a total of 6 days in the shop during a 2 year period. 2 days for a recall issue, 2 days for a steering wheel column button issue, and another 2 days on 2 other occasions to diagnose issues......

Wow....6 days in 2 years. That averages out to 3 days per year. And 3 days per year is less than 1% total time in the shop.

There you go, boys and girls. A post from an actual Land Rover owner that supports EXACTLY what I said earlier when I claimed that the average Land Rover probably spends less than 1% time in the shop.

 

[T.Rock]

TRock, I'm afraid the only bias here is in your grasp of statistics.

apples and oranges, my friend. Think about it.

Really? So lets talk statistics then. Tell me exactly where I'm wrong. BTW, don't discount the fact that I haven't made any statistical claims. We can go as far as you want in this discussion. I did very well in my statistic classes for my master's degree, so I think I'll be able to hold my own. So do you want to challenge my general knowledge of statistics or are you disputing something specific that I said?

 

[bythehour]

Really? So lets talk statistics then. Tell me exactly where I'm wrong. BTW, don't discount the fact that I haven't made any statistical claims. We can go as far as you want in this discussion. I did very well in my statistic classes for my master's degree, so I think I'll be able to hold my own. So do you want to challenge my general knowledge of statistics or are you disputing something specific that I said?

Really. Exactly where you're wrong is your grasp of statiscal comparison. You want to compare reliability using absolute integers. That's comparing apples and oranges because the vehicles have vastly different population sizes. So, percentages of defect are the appropriate basis of comparison. Percentages give a reliable measure of the frequency of defect of each population.

If you've actually spent time in a stats class, in community college never mind grad level studies, you'd get that. This is basic stuff.

You also suggest that perhaps the complaints about other cars relate to minor nitpicks. Maybe they do. You don't have data on that. I am equally entitled to speculate. Oh wait. I don't have to. I can draw on direct experience of Jeep and LR ownership.

 

[Dexter Morgan]

As the OP, if it's any consolation, I just put a deposit on a factory order '15 Trail Non Premium in attitude black...I got near blue book trade for my POS Land Rover so I was pretty content :rockon:

 

[Titanpat57]

Sounds like you should have ordered a JGC....preferred vehicle of forum trolls


Good luck with the new ride!

 

[PNTRDPROO]

Wow....6 days in 2 years. That averages out to 3 days per year. And 3 days per year is less than 1% total time in the shop.

There you go, boys and girls. A post from an actual Land Rover owner that supports EXACTLY what I said earlier when I claimed that the average Land Rover probably spends less than 1% time in the shop.

Considering he is the only person in the world who has ever owned a Land Rover, you are right... This proves your point beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[itsdchz]

Wow....6 days in 2 years. That averages out to 3 days per year. And 3 days per year is less than 1% total time in the shop.

There you go, boys and girls. A post from an actual Land Rover owner that supports EXACTLY what I said earlier when I claimed that the average Land Rover probably spends less than 1% time in the shop.

My experience does not dictate a statistic. My comments are not to prove or disprove a point.
However, to add to you statistic:

2000 T4R - sold it with 260,000 miles on odometer.
Did not spend 1 day ever in the shop for a mechanical failure or warranty/repair. Not 1. I pulled maintenance routinely, and changed water pump, timing chain every 115,000. Other than that, oil, belts, nothing else but lube and wear and tear items that I felt needed to replace.

2011 FJ - 78,000 miles- only in shop for recall on seatbelt and propeller shaft - 2 hours for seatbelt, 3 1/2 hours for prop shaft. Other than that, routine maintenance.

2013 Range Rover: 34,900 miles. 6 days in shop for steering wheel controls, recall, steering wheel controls, transmission issues. Lastly, fault code for transmission with price tag of $4500. Not to mention the $500 oil changes....

Love, love, love the Land Rover for looks, functionality, and durability. Not a believer in the long term reliability, high maintenance cost, and predictable unpredictable nature of the brand.

 

[Jetboy]

Wait....what? 8 weeks? LOL, well, that certainly hurts the Toyota average. BTW, IS250? Seriously? *shakin' my head* Your money would have been better spent on a Corolla S. Probably would have been an upgrade in performance too.:bounce:

Dude - you owned a land rover. You've been banished from ever questioning someone's choice of vehicle.

Was my wife's car. She loved it. And overall I'd buy another. Excellent car for what it is - awd 34mpg on the highway, quiet, smooth, comfortable. We bought it in 2007 - No awd IS350 until later. Our roads are awd required (by law - and they do actually have someone spot check occasionally) during the winter, so I can't own a 2wd car as a daily driver. And the IS250 has a real awd system that performs pretty well - the 4runner should be so lucky as to get the center diff from the IS. Anyway it was is250 or Subaru.

And it was over 8 weeks in total. Took it in for a dash LED on the tach needle. Should be a 2hr fix. Dropped it off Saturday afternoon. Got a call Monday afternoon. They had parked it outside - and outside the fence - and it was broken into. Almost 100% certain it was one of the dealership mechanics. They broke the window and stole everything from the center console forward (including the console, wood panels, nav system, dash parts, etc) and the matching door trim. Those are very specific parts and every plug was unplugged not cut. But they damaged the door, the entire dash was replaced, I made them replace the wire harness, and they did a f'n shitty job. The mechanics at Lexus in Utah are complete hacks. I rejected the repairs 3 times. The first time I laughed at the fitment of the dash and told told the service manager to "try again" and left. They tried putting used parts in it - rejected those as well. They were obviously used wood panels for the console. Just total hacks. Then proceeded to make a low ball offer to buy it. I sold it for $3k more than they offered. They should have offered high book AND dealer cost on a new one.

They did give me a free movie pass to their Larry Miller theaters as if it's supposed to be some sort of consolation - ****ing *******s.

The dealer is Larry Miller Lexus in Salt Lake City Utah. I will throw them and Jim Brown the manager under the bus every opportunity I can. Shady people. Biggest problem is that they are the only Lexus dealer around.

I did buy another Lexus RX350 to replace it - through a Toyota dealership with an agreement that I get it serviced and warrantied at Toyota. Otherwise I'd never own another Lexus. Lexus corporate was not helpful... at all.

 

[1engineer]

Dude - you owned a land rover. You've been banished from ever questioning someone's choice of vehicle.

Was my wife's car. She loved it. And overall I'd buy another. Excellent car for what it is - awd 34mpg on the highway, quiet, smooth, comfortable. We bought it in 2007 - No awd IS350 until later. Our roads are awd required (by law - and they do actually have someone spot check occasionally) during the winter, so I can't own a 2wd car as a daily driver. And the IS250 has a real awd system that performs pretty well - the 4runner should be so lucky as to get the center diff from the IS. Anyway it was is250 or Subaru.

And it was over 8 weeks in total. Took it in for a dash LED on the tach needle. Should be a 2hr fix. Dropped it off Saturday afternoon. Got a call Monday afternoon. They had parked it outside - and outside the fence - and it was broken into. Almost 100% certain it was one of the dealership mechanics. They broke the window and stole everything from the center console forward (including the console, wood panels, nav system, dash parts, etc) and the matching door trim. Those are very specific parts and every plug was unplugged not cut. But they damaged the door, the entire dash was replaced, I made them replace the wire harness, and they did a f'n shitty job. Then proceeded to make a low ball offer to buy it. I sold it for $3k more than they offered. They should have offered high book AND dealer cost on a new one.

The dealer is Larry Miller Lexus in Salt Lake City Utah. I will throw them under the bus every opportunity I can. Shady people. Biggest problem is that they are the only Lexus dealer around.

I did buy another Lexus RX350 to replace it - through a Toyota dealership with an agreement that I get it serviced and warrantied at Toyota.

..and he owns a Jeep Grand Cherokee now. He is a troll. Why else would he come here and post when he has no Toyotas? Especially single posts? To get his post count up? I have quit responding, er feeding, him. It just makes them come back like a stray dog.

 

[phillyd2]

Just did a trip down to and around the NC back country in a friend’s new RR Sport and wow, very impressive. On the highway it’s head and shoulders above the 4R, no doubt. Off road it was actually very good – nowhere near 4R or Wrangler territory but impressive nevertheless. No clue how it will be in reliability for the long term and it’s very expensive. Personally I’d go with a LC for the money.