help me pick my new bumper

Bumper type

  • ARB

    Votes: 12 30.8%
  • Shrock

    Votes: 21 53.8%
  • Bud

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • Other, tell me which one

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Total voters
    39

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Just what it sounds like.

The ARB is the one you can buy right this minute, but it's huge and heavy, the damn thing sticks out really far up front and I'll probably have to recalibrate my front suspension to deal with the weight. It's also pretty cheap from most vendors. What you save on cost, tho, you will have to buy a kit for the fog lights.

The Shrockworks takes some time to get, but I can buy one without hoops. It also is pretty damn expensive and doesn't go on sale like the others. It reuses the fog lights, so that's at least worth a hundred bucks there.

The only other bumper manufacturer I know is BudBuilt. It looks odd and I haven't seen a single one mounted on a 4Runner.

Other usual suspects like Demello and Road Armor don't make bumpers for the 5th gen, which sucks because Demello had a really cool low profile FJ bumper. I know someone on here makes a hoop-style bumper, but I'd need something more substantial than that.
 
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of the ones posted I like the looks of shrock best... but you better order now if you want it by the end of next year

if you have the time and know how I like how [MENTION=68685]Ducmonsta[/MENTION] did the ARB

right now there just isnt a bumper that screams out "BUY ME" to me anyway
 
right now there just isnt a bumper that screams out "BUY ME" to me anyway

Totally agree, but I'll need something now that I'm selling my 80 series and my 5th gen will be my primary hiking/biking shuttle out in CO. And now that winter is coming I'll need some armor up front (I know that Shrock has some lead time, as long as they deliver in the time they post I'm OK with that).
 
Just what it sounds like.

The ARB is the one you can buy right this minute, but it's huge and heavy, the damn thing sticks out really far up front and I'll probably have to recalibrate my front suspension to deal with the weight. It's also pretty cheap from most vendors. What you save on cost, tho, you will have to buy a kit for the fog lights.

The Shrockworks takes some time to get, but I can buy one without hoops. It also is pretty damn expensive and doesn't go on sale like the others. It reuses the fog lights, so that's at least worth a hundred bucks there.

The only other bumper manufacturer I know is BudBuilt. It looks odd and I haven't seen a single one mounted on a 4Runner.

Other usual suspects like Demello and Road Armor don't make bumpers for the 5th gen, which sucks because Demello had a really cool low profile FJ bumper. I know someone on here makes a hoop-style bumper, but I'd need something more substantial than that.


Check out the Rocktek Bumpers. Unless you are stuck on gettign a full plate bumper.

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The more I look at the Rocktek bumpers the more it grows on me. I wonder what it would look like without the hoop/stinger?
 
Bumper choice is a pretty subjective thing. I don't think the ARB sticks out that much when you see it in person as opposed to pictures, but I'm biased. Anyhow, the ARB is the only bumper in your list that's airbag approved if that makes any difference to you.
 
Bumper choice is a pretty subjective thing. I don't think the ARB sticks out that much when you see it in person as opposed to pictures, but I'm biased. Anyhow, the ARB is the only bumper in your list that's airbag approved if that makes any difference to you.

I just want to take one moment, to point out something. "airbag approved" is an old term that ARB hangs on to. In old cars you SRS was activated by sensors on the front of the frame. Replacing the factory bumper could block or protect the sensors making the airbag not go off as intended.

In ALL newer cars, airbags are controlled by seat belt sensors, and inertia sensors. impact is not required for the bags to deploy. so a 2x4 on the front of your truck is "airbag approved".

It is just a term that gets thrown around ALOT by ARB and some people who have never been informed on current vehicle Secondary Restraint Systems.
 
Bumper choice is a pretty subjective thing. I don't think the ARB sticks out that much when you see it in person as opposed to pictures, but I'm biased. Anyhow, the ARB is the only bumper in your list that's airbag approved if that makes any difference to you.

What does that mean? I thought the front air bags in the 5thGen were inertia activated, shouldn't they work the same regardless of what bumper is used?

Please note - I'm not "calling you out!", I really don't know, really asking....

Thanks,

David
 
ARB just has air bag blocks. When I mounted my ARB on my JK I just left them off. they were more a pain than anything. Your airbags will still work you just have to be careful at low speed bumps that they dont fire.... obviously this is a concern when wheeling your rig
 
What does that mean? I thought the front air bags in the 5thGen were inertia activated, shouldn't they work the same regardless of what bumper is used?

Please note - I'm not "calling you out!", I really don't know, really asking....

Thanks,

David

David,

You are correct, the only vehicles that need to even think about "air bag approved" is SOME pre 1996
 
ARB just has air bag blocks. When I mounted my ARB on my JK I just left them off. they were more a pain than anything. Your airbags will still work you just have to be careful at low speed bumps that they dont fire.... obviously this is a concern when wheeling your rig

Stifler,

your information is a little lacking, the block you are referring to are crush block designed to deflect and save the bumper in the event of a collision. In any case, you can run it like you stole it because of the very strict guideline that is PUT on the OEMs concerning air bag deployment.
 
Stifler,

your information is a little lacking, the block you are referring to are crush block designed to deflect and save the bumper in the event of a collision. In any case, you can run it like you stole it because of the very strict guideline that is PUT on the OEMs concerning air bag deployment.
not lacking I think maybe you just didnt get what I meant (or I just suck at explaining myself lol)... essentially I was saying the same thing. basically the blocks only work in low speed impact... I think they were rated at like 5mph
 
ah re reading it does sound like that.... "airbag fires"

they are going to fire no matter what once you meet the threshold for them

bottom line most people read ARBs statement and thing their airbags wont work with other bumpers....
 
Stifler,

your information is a little lacking, the block you are referring to are crush block designed to deflect and save the bumper in the event of a collision. In any case, you can run it like you stole it because of the very strict guideline that is PUT on the OEMs concerning air bag deployment.

So you're saying the crush block is there only to protect the bumper in low speed crash and has no effect on air bag deployment?

David
 
It's not that your airbags won't work, it's that the chances of them deploying in a collision where they shouldn't deploy increase. The ARB has crush cans that absorb impact and decelerate the vehicle more gradually. Without them you jolt to a stop. I'm sure [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] could explain it better than I can. Anyhow, believe what you want, it makes no difference to me as I have no stake in this.
 
SW's has the best look IMO....but the wait is a deal killer (for me, but not for everyone). The ARB, which has tons of R&D , and the backing of an off road company behind it.

The ARB look is growing on me after seeing it on Intruder's truck in the last 3,768 pictures...
 
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It's not that your airbags won't work, it's that the chances of them deploying in a collision where they shouldn't deploy increase. The ARB has crush cans that absorb impact and decelerate the vehicle more gradually. Without them you jolt to a stop. I'm sure [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] could explain it better than I can. Anyhow, believe what you want, it makes no difference to me as I have no stake in this.

From Wiki:
"The design is conceptually simple; a central "Airbag control unit"[48] (ACU) (a specific type of ECU) monitors a number of related sensors within the vehicle, including accelerometers, impact sensors, side (door) pressure sensors,[49][50] wheel speed sensors, gyroscopes, brake pressure sensors, and seat occupancy sensors."

Additionally, "The signals from the various sensors are fed into the Airbag control unit, which determines from them the angle of impact, the severity, or force of the crash, along with other variables. Depending on the result of these calculations, the ACU may also deploy various additional restraint devices, such as seat belt pre-tensioners, and/or airbags (including frontal bags for driver and front passenger, along with seat-mounted side bags, and "curtain" airbags which cover the side glass)."

As you can see airbags deploy, or not, depending on a number of factors with impact sensors and accelerometers being just two of many input signals.

If you remove the OEM bumper completely you are removing a "crush" zone. This crush zone is designed to absorb some of the energy from an impact (there are many crush and crumple zones on the 4Runner) and the result would be a lesser "G" force transmitted to the sensors and you, the occupant.

Adding aftermarket bumpers removes this "crush" zone. You are basically removing an energy absorption portion of the vehicle and replacing it with one that requires a much larger force to crush.

In a high speed impact your aftermarket bumper will not protect any better and could actually hinder the safety features, such as airbag deployment and restraint system activation, by activating them before the correct time. Remember these things are timed to deploy in just a few milliseconds so getting that timing off, either too fast or slow, could really ruin your day quick in an accident. Imagine going 55 MPH, hitting something and having your airbag go off too quickly and the force of the impact continuing as the airbag is deflating.

Low speed impact and accidental deployment is a concern too. Having a crush zone removed by removing the OEM bumper will do nothing except transmit the G forces quicker and higher in the event of a lower speed impact. You as the occupant will be "jarred" quite a bit harder with an aftermarket bumper. I have not looked at the ARB much but it appears they are attempting to add back a "crush" zone to their bumper. I doubt it has been tested as well as the OEM bumper though.

Now, the above is me, the engineer, talking and being properly safety conscious. Me the avid enthusiast, and after modding a lot of vehicles in my past, would do the bumper differently. I would design an aftermarket bumper that incorporated the OEM bumper but "caged" it somewhat in tubular aluminum that mounted to the frame horns. Think Defiant Light Bar on steroids. Yes you would have to cut a few holes in the OEM cover and lower grille but I think the look would be there, you could still mount a winch as you can do with the OEM bumper and the tubular aluminum would be fine for bushes and small saplings and the occasional rock in the trail . Keeping the OEM bumper will keep that additional crush zone in the event of an accident. You guys know just as well as I do that if you are running these steel aftermarket bumpers and you hit a rock wall or tree at any speed you are going to bend the shit out of the frame horns right? You are just moving the damage from one area to another.

Anyway, I think they look cool and will definitely protect the truck better than the OEM bumper on the trail. On the road they could give you a headache, literally.
 

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