Here goes. Got rear-ended. What next?

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So here we are. My 2018 ORP with C4 rear swing got rear-ended this morning and it's destroyed. Swing won't even open to view the damage to the hatch. Gobi ladder is crushed. Good times.

Any advice on how to proceed with this considering the custom bumper? Not even sure what I'm asking but outside of handling this like any other car accident where I call my insurance and such, anything I should look out for or keep in mind with all of the aftermarket add-ons?

Thanks for any input if any of you have been through this kinda thing.
 
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More than likely your policy will not cover the aftermarket items on your vehicle.

Since the other person is at fault, your best bet would be to have the claim process through them, and make sure you have your receipts for all items so you can get a check to replace all damaged aftermarket items and they fix the damage.
 
So here we are. My 2018 ORP with C4 rear swing got rear-ended this morning and it's destroyed. Swing won't even open to view the damage to the hatch. Gobi ladder is crushed. Good times.

Any advice on how to proceed with this considering the custom bumper? Not even sure what I'm asking but outside of handling this like any other car accident where I call my insurance and such, anything I should look out for or keep in mind with all of the aftermarket add-ons?

Thanks for any input if any of you have been through this kinda thing.

Stop making public statements about this.

Speak to a reputable, competent personal injury / accident attorney immediately.

The insurance companies (yours included) are in business to make a profit from you, and all of us, and will do their level best to pay you the absolute least they can.

You may have injuries you're unaware of.

An attorney will recover more money for the entire situation, handle all the paperwork, and resolve this better that you can alone.

Plus, this should cost you ZERO upfront... The attorney will take about 33% on average on the total settlement on the back-end.

Good luck.
 
Seems like if you are going to add expensive aftermarket parts to your ride, that a call to your insurance agent to make sure you're covered would be a good idea. Normally, your insurance company should handle your claim and deal with the other drivers company. Get a copy of the police report.

I'd also go take pics of your truck and also remove any personal items before someone else does. You may also want to look into diminished value compensation as well. I'd let the insurance co do their job before going the legal route - just don't settle until your happy with the outcome.
 
Seems like if you are going to add expensive aftermarket parts to your ride, that a call to your insurance agent to make sure you're covered would be a good idea. Normally, your insurance company should handle your claim and deal with the other drivers company. Get a copy of the police report.

I'd also go take pics of your truck and also remove any personal items before someone else does. You may also want to look into diminished value compensation as well. I'd let the insurance co do their job before going the legal route - just don't settle until your happy with the outcome.

No doubt. So far, so good. It's actually sounding relatively straight-forward. Thanks.
 
If it wasn't your fault, the aftermarket parts should be covered by the other insurance company - but - like ESJ said, you need to be checked out by a docfirst and if there is any injury (or if you have any out of pocket expenses for the doctor), then you need to shut up and call a lawyer.
 
What hit you and how fast? Curious as those bumpers seem like they would take a hell of a hit before damage.
 
nothing to add for advise--- just a sincere "good luck".

My 4r was in a collision, and it was a pain in the arse. I hope they're able to get you squared away with your vehicle again, and all of your aftermarket parts.

FWIW, I had an estimate on my 4r recently while I was looking at a 2019 nightshade during some service. The price was better than I had expected, and I asked why there wasn't an apparent deduction for diminished value. I was told that the vehicle was very clean, the collision work was minor and professional, and I didn't hack it up with DIY electrical mods-- which is more of a concern for them than minor collision work. This particular dealership is the 4runner hub of my area. Don't let the forum diminished value team piss on your parade. By all means; pursue what you can. But don't let it ruin your decade. This stuff happens all the time, and these vehicles have a fantastic resale value. I was pleased to learn that clean vehicles with a carfax history are still in high demand, if the repair is complete and professional. YMMV, obviously.

Hopefully Gobi can start mining the ore needed for your replacement ladder soon.
 
I am with USAA and they cover 5k worth of upgrades without notifying them.
When I was preparing to have after market items installed I called them to make sure how it worked..
 
If it wasn't your fault, the aftermarket parts should be covered by the other insurance company - but - like ESJ said, you need to be checked out by a docfirst and if there is any injury (or if you have any out of pocket expenses for the doctor), then you need to shut up and call a lawyer.

Yeah, I was told if they were specifically for a 4runner that it's no problem.

No injuries. It wasn't a high-speed thing. Keeping my eye out for anything but no symptoms of anything thus far.

What hit you and how fast? Curious as those bumpers seem like they would take a hell of a hit before damage.

2000 Expedition. Not terribly fast. It's the swing smooshing into my hatch that was most of the damage, apparently.

nothing to add for advise--- just a sincere "good luck".

My 4r was in a collision, and it was a pain in the arse. I hope they're able to get you squared away with your vehicle again, and all of your aftermarket parts.


Hopefully Gobi can start mining the ore needed for your replacement ladder soon.

Ha! No doubt. Thanks.

I am with USAA and they cover 5k worth of upgrades without notifying them.
When I was preparing to have after market items installed I called them to make sure how it worked..

Yeah, State Farm just kinda said they'd cover whatever to get it back to how it was. We'll see.
 
Yeah, I was told if they were specifically for a 4runner that it's no problem.

No injuries. It wasn't a high-speed thing. Keeping my eye out for anything but no symptoms of anything thus far.



2000 Expedition. Not terribly fast. It's the swing smooshing into my hatch that was most of the damage, apparently.



Ha! No doubt. Thanks.



Yeah, State Farm just kinda said they'd cover whatever to get it back to how it was. We'll see.

Citizens only covers $1000 aftermarket by default. I had to pay for more coverage.
 
What hit you and how fast? Curious as those bumpers seem like they would take a hell of a hit before damage.


Also if you have any photos of the damage to the C4 bumper so we can see what kind of damage they can take.....for us curious minds.
 
Also if you have any photos of the damage to the C4 bumper so we can see what kind of damage they can take.....for us curious minds.

At a glance the truck looks great. I had a custom 2" receiver added to the swing for my bike rack and that thing was what caused so much damage to the Expedition but also what made the swing fail and kind of fold in the middle a few inches. Definitely tough as crap.
 
Stop making public statements about this.

Speak to a reputable, competent personal injury / accident attorney immediately.

The insurance companies (yours included) are in business to make a profit from you, and all of us, and will do their level best to pay you the absolute least they can.

You may have injuries you're unaware of.

An attorney will recover more money for the entire situation, handle all the paperwork, and resolve this better that you can alone.

Plus, this should cost you ZERO upfront... The attorney will take about 33% on average on the total settlement on the back-end.

Good luck.

Good luck, would like to know if an attorney takes an auto accident case without personal injury. My experience says no. And legit attorneys require money upfront.
 
Good luck, would like to know if an attorney takes an auto accident case without personal injury. My experience says no. And legit attorneys require money upfront.

The attorney will send the client to be evaluated by a doctor.

Even in slow speed collisions, neck and back injuries are common and can occur days or many days later. By speaking with an attorney, the record and your rights are preserved.

Attorneys require a retainer up front in civil and criminal matters, however when insurance is involved, and especially when you're not the party at fault, the attorney works on contingency of recovery, including property and medical treatments.

I've seen this from several different angles... the better outcome in each instance has been through a legal settlement facilitated by competent legal counsel.

Without getting into specifics, the OP could be looking at considerable compensation from the at fault party's insurance, not including what they're going to pay for repairs and medical...

OPs choice...
 
OK, so I'm going to jump in here again.

If you are not at fault, then the insurance company will put it back in the condition it was pre-accident. This includes aftermarket stuff.

If you go through your insurance, then you'll have to pay your deductible and you'll get that back one your insurance company recovers from the other one.

You are entitled to a rental car even if you don't have rental car coverage. Again, you'll need to pay for it but you'll get it back.

If your state authorized diminished value, then you are entitled to diminished value. In general, any paintwork other than minor bumper resprays may qualify for diminished value.

In general, the dealer or insurance body shops are pretty bad. Ask for recommendations from a high end detailer in your region - they often know the best body shops.
 
OK, so I'm going to jump in here again.

If you are not at fault, then the insurance company will put it back in the condition it was pre-accident. This includes aftermarket stuff.

If you go through your insurance, then you'll have to pay your deductible and you'll get that back one your insurance company recovers from the other one.

You are entitled to a rental car even if you don't have rental car coverage. Again, you'll need to pay for it but you'll get it back.

If your state authorized diminished value, then you are entitled to diminished value. In general, any paintwork other than minor bumper resprays may qualify for diminished value.

In general, the dealer or insurance body shops are pretty bad. Ask for recommendations from a high end detailer in your region - they often know the best body shops.

All of this is what I found today. Only exception is that when I hit social media for collision shop recs, they resoundingly recommended the shop I was going to pick from my insurance's list. All good so far. Thanks.
 
All of this is what I found today. Only exception is that when I hit social media for collision shop recs, they resoundingly recommended the shop I was going to pick from my insurance's list. All good so far. Thanks.
Sure, sometimes you get lucky with insurance company body shops.

In many cases, insurance companies do a deal with the body shop that requires the bodyshop to suck up a certain amount of hidden damage. Let's say, for example, that the estimate is $1k, but once the panels come off, there is another $500 in damage. If the agreement is 20%, then the bodyshop would have to suck up $200 of the hidden damage and will get paid $1300. They have to make that up somewhere.

When I used an insurance company bodyshop 15 years ago, they used non-OE fasteners, duct taped the bumper absorber together and used a repair kit for the headlight, but charged for a new headlamp. Ultimately, another bodyshop fixed it and the insurance company charged the re-repair to the original bodyshop.
 
Yeah, this will be interesting with me needing to order a bumper that is 4 months out or whatever. Hoping I can handle it myself. That wouldn't leave the shop much to do.
 
Sure, sometimes you get lucky with insurance company body shops.

In many cases, insurance companies do a deal with the body shop that requires the bodyshop to suck up a certain amount of hidden damage. Let's say, for example, that the estimate is $1k, but once the panels come off, there is another $500 in damage. If the agreement is 20%, then the bodyshop would have to suck up $200 of the hidden damage and will get paid $1300. They have to make that up somewhere.

When I used an insurance company bodyshop 15 years ago, they used non-OE fasteners, duct taped the bumper absorber together and used a repair kit for the headlight, but charged for a new headlamp. Ultimately, another bodyshop fixed it and the insurance company charged the re-repair to the original bodyshop.

What you are referencing is a DRP - direct repair program (sometimes also called direct repair partner). In my former career, I was an I-CAR certified estimator for an independent shop that had DRPs with State Farm, USAA, and Progressive. State Farm and USAA were easy to deal with. Progressive was a nickel and dime relationship that got more and more "dime" as time went on. State Farm would allow me to upload images of damage and they approved EVERY SINGLE one of my estimates including supplemental.

Some insurance companies actually have back-channel ownership of independent shops. All-State used to own Sterling but sold it based on increased scrutiny, so it's not as common as it used to be.

My advice is:

1. Go through their insurance - don't bother with letting yours do the work for you. Even when rear-ended and not at fault the insurance company still dings your driving record (for their actuarial and underwriting calcs) for a period of time. One is usually not a factor; having a series of "not at faults" actually can cause insurance rates to go up as it you are deemed to be a poor defensive driver (crazy). Best advice - in all seriousness - spend $25 and buy pizza for the team working your vehicle at the shop. Everyone from the estimator (who can help you overcome BS with the insurance company), to the bodyman will run through walls for you. I promise you. They'll go out of their way to make sure
you get the best treatment. It'll be worth the $25.

Going through their insurance is easy as long as you stay on them. Don't let them take an inch!

2. Demand a rental.

3. Demand OEM replacements for any non-custom items. They likely will try to integrate used/LKQ. If they deny after listing aftermarket (meaning copies) items, remind them that their party was at fault. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and the adjuster working the case likely won't want to deal with the "headache." If you cannot avoid aftermarket because of mileage/age/value, demand CAPA certified.

4. Have your receipts ready to go - they will want them for the custom pieces. Include labor costs. You're better off getting a check from them for the custom parts if they have a 4 mos. wait.

5. If any paint work is necessary, demand adjacent panels be blended. This is costly for them to do, because you have to R&I handles, masking, etc. If your panel is not blended, you'll run the potential to see a difference in color match no matter how precise because of the fading that can happen. We had an issue with one car because he parked the same direction in the same spot and one side was more faded than the other - we had to bring in a machine to formulate the tint mixture on each side and then combine both for the middle to make it look ok.

6. Be sure you are not hurt. People get sore days after. Seen it too much dealing with collision repairs.
 
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