How often have you used MTS?
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e60ral
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i use it almost anytime i offroad, its there so why not
there is only a few times i think MTS or crawl control has saved me, and those times i still would have been fine i just would have needed some more momentum and therefore been at a higher risk of damaging something. i like slow and damage free
and yeah, it works pretty damn well
there is only a few times i think MTS or crawl control has saved me, and those times i still would have been fine i just would have needed some more momentum and therefore been at a higher risk of damaging something. i like slow and damage free
and yeah, it works pretty damn well
CharlestonFisher
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I don't see the point. 4Runner is plenty capable and gives a great four wheel drive experience without using those easy buttons. I drove a Range Rover at Overland Expo East and the system was so advanced it took the fun out of it. I didn't feel like I was in control. There are other ways to keep from breaking traction.
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I don't understand why easy button detractors feel this sort of option is 'cheating' (the same people who enjoy central air, grocery stores and a refrigerator, I might add).
Its simply an option for those of us who choose to enjoy going overland and focus on where we are rather than what we're doing. If technology helps me enjoy my surroundings more, so be it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbQpMh3TS9M
There's a good example of some of the things I'd like to be doing.
Its simply an option for those of us who choose to enjoy going overland and focus on where we are rather than what we're doing. If technology helps me enjoy my surroundings more, so be it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbQpMh3TS9M
There's a good example of some of the things I'd like to be doing.
wfo9
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It' has nothing to do with buying it or not. It has to do with experience off-road. These gadgets work in places where you really don't need them at all. In extreme situations... nothing works but experience working with the laws of physics...
A-track is generally useful. Crawl control has a few narrow uses.
The rest is not worth your time. It just gets in the way and you will spend your time guessing what it does. Since it is there, it might be worth playing with, but don't expect to feel any major difference. If you do.... It's probably in your head. You are much better off getting experience in the basic modes of 4h, 4l, 4l with atrack, 4l with locker (if you have it). Learn to descend holding 1st get and using as little brake input as possible. It will be different every time you go (depending on conditions) Picking lines and getting a feel for what your truck can do is something you will quickly lose if you don't do it often. It always takes me time to warm up... Especially, when I switch trucks.... To expect a computer to be able to read the terrain.. is just ridiculous and is mostly marketing...
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JSparky
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The word "try" may chastise people unnecessarily.. the trail edition is certainly not the best option for all people.
JSparky
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It works great in certain applications like sand or snow. I rarely touched it in my 2013 trail which is, among other things, part of the reason I picked up a 2016 limited this time around.
jrandom
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Anything that prevents breaking traction is useful.
I dare say 70% of trails are shaped the way they are because people are too throttle aggressive, or drive when they shouldn't (when it is too wet, obviously sometimes it's unavoidable), or just don't flat out understand what a fallline is.
I could also be so bold to say that 90% of the time you don't even need to use "4 wheel drive".
I engage the transfer case just to excercise the system, whether I might need it or not. I also use crawl control and MTS simply to be familiar with the behavior. Does anyone really need them? No I don't believe so, we don't need underwear either but it does make life more comfortable
If things keep up the way they are headed you won't need any of this stuff anyway because everything will be closed
I dare say 70% of trails are shaped the way they are because people are too throttle aggressive, or drive when they shouldn't (when it is too wet, obviously sometimes it's unavoidable), or just don't flat out understand what a fallline is.
I could also be so bold to say that 90% of the time you don't even need to use "4 wheel drive".
I engage the transfer case just to excercise the system, whether I might need it or not. I also use crawl control and MTS simply to be familiar with the behavior. Does anyone really need them? No I don't believe so, we don't need underwear either but it does make life more comfortable
If things keep up the way they are headed you won't need any of this stuff anyway because everything will be closed
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MeefZah
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The systems (MTS and Crawl Control) actually work brilliantly.
I personally have only used them to get familiar with and play around to see what they can do, because I prefer to just drive the ****ing thing myself. But, having said that, from both my personal experience and almost every review you can find from automotive press, it's an impressive system.
wfo9
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MTS would actually allow for more wheel slippage (compared to ATRAC).... which you do need sometimes (depending on the scenario), but to say that ATRAC eliminates wheel slippage is also misleading.
ATRAC tires to keep all wheels going at the same speed (it still allows for wheels to spin), But there is some type of speed threshold where it stops working correctly and falls on its face. It's hard to pin down where it starts screwing up... It tends to be decent at crawling and general trail use, but a loose climb that requires lots of momentum can be a problem for it.
My understanding is that MTS settings dial the aggressiveness of ATRAC back to different levels and also mucks with throttle response. The lowest setting can also work in 2H, but the rest are 4L only modes just like ATRAC.
Jeremy556
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The lowest setting can be used in 4HI and is actually the only part of MTS I find useful - it dials way back the ABS engagement. You can do higher speeds on dirt roads in 4HI and when you hit the brakes, wheels can lock up, dig in and stop you, instead of ABS kicking in and making your stopping distance much longer. The other settings I have no use for.
After much experimentation, trial and error, what I use are: 4HI + MTS: Mud/sand/dirt, 4LO, 4LO + ATRAC, 4LO + lockers as warranted.
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wfo9
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Sorry, typo I was thinking 4h but typed 2h.
Fireguy25
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I have used the MTS and crawl mainly as a cruise control in groups to maintain a steady speed. When it comes to difficult stuff I tend to do it all myself. To me it's just a comfort thing on long trips but I will admit that it does work well most of the time. And yes I have used it a few times just to really concentrate on my line and go supper slow when it got tight on a trail. Worked great and kept me from being to heavy on the skinny pedal and possibly damaging something.
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jrandom
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Agreed, worth noting "allowable" slippage is dependent on the MTS mode.
Obviously there is going to be some slippage as it is needed for the system to make an adjustment. Everything but the "Mogul" setting allows for slippage, "Mogul" is supposed to minimize it as much as possible.
I believe it "mucks" with both throttle and brake response, and who knows what else, ABS as Jeremy pointed out.
wfo9
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Pretty sure normal ABS is disabled in 4L. I think what he is referring to is dialing it back in 4H via the MTS setting.
