JeepKiller
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Heck no, whisker biscuits are the best.You need a new arrow rest.
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Ol'Blue
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I like the drop away myself.
JeepKiller
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IMO Drop always are for the range. They don't provide that much of an accuracy increase and I don't need to worry about another point of failure if the buck of a lifetime crosses my path. Ive had a couple that didn't drop when I shot at a big buck and the bar hit one of my fletching and sent the arrow way off. No thanks.
Ol'Blue
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No Shit- I have never had an issue at all. Of course I don't shoot that much so there you go....
JeepKiller
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Alot of people never have and never will, but I know I have. Even if I hadn't I don't like the "what if" ya know? That's also why I shoot fixed blade broadheads most of the time along with the occasional Shwacker. I can hit dimes at 20 yards so it's definitely not effecting my accuracy.
ddnww
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finally a successful scouting day this past weekend. I know allot of other units in AZ and a lot of you guys back east and Midwest got deer pouring out of your ears, but in unit 37b its a tough hunt. Some even say there are no deer in this unit. Well we had already been on about 6 scouting trips and only found tracks and droppings, but we hit the jackpot this past Saturday. 3 different herds , 12 deer total, at least 5 bucks. This will be my sons first deer hunt, he was very excited to see some. Had some huge muleys jump out in front of us at about 10 yards. This was the only pic I got, not a great pic, had to zoom in on my phone. Bout 50 yards out, they were pretty tame, just watched us for about 5 min then walked off.
I don't know what rest you were using, but if the arrow hit the capture bar, it may have been set up wrong.
Whisker biscuits are easier to set up, and shot for shot they may not appear at a disadvantage in terms of accuracy, but the arrow is practically always in contact until it completely exits the rest. This means that if you torque your bow or drop it a little too quickly, you're affecting the arrow's flight. These are two very real outcomes when your adrenaline is pumping and you're drawing on that monster buck. Plus they gradually chew up your fletchings and the whiskers can freeze in cold weather. Regarding reliability, over 90% of the "failures" fallaway users experience are because either they or their proshop set the rest up incorrectly. I have complete confidence in my set up from the cam timing to the rest timing, and everything in between. Can it fail? Sure. Is it more likely to fail than a whisker biscuit? Possibly. Is that chance of failure high enough for me to replace fletchings and shoot a less forgiving set up? Not to me.
Still, I understand your concerns. In fact many target shooters agree and use fixed rests for that reason. It doesn't help that there are also a lot of shit fall aways out there that aren't worth the aluminum they're made from.
Nice looking potato you got there.
JeepKiller
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I don't know what rest you were using, but if the arrow hit the capture bar, it may have been set up wrong.
Whisker biscuits are easier to set up, and shot for shot they may not appear at a disadvantage in terms of accuracy, but the arrow is practically always in contact until it completely exits the rest. This means that if you torque your bow or drop it a little too quickly, you're affecting the arrow's flight. These are two very real outcomes when your adrenaline is pumping and you're drawing on that monster buck. Plus they gradually chew up your fletchings and the whiskers can freeze in cold weather. Regarding reliability, over 90% of the "failures" fallaway users experience are because either they or their proshop set the rest up incorrectly. I have complete confidence in my set up from the cam timing to the rest timing, and everything in between. Can it fail? Sure. Is it more likely to fail than a whisker biscuit? Possibly. Is that chance of failure high enough for me to replace fletchings and shoot a less forgiving set up? Not to me.
Still, I understand your concerns. In fact many target shooters agree and use fixed rests for that reason. It doesn't help that there are also a lot of shit fall aways out there that aren't worth the aluminum they're made from.
Nice looking potato you got there.
The mechanism inside the rest that is supposed to fall did not work it seized up. It was 2 months old and i set it up perfectly, it was shooting fine before I left. I shoot a whisker biscuit because I know how to shoot. No torque no movement after the shot except letting the bow fall forward as its supposed to. If you know how to shoot and want a guarenteed no failure, use a WB, if you're a newby use a drop away. A drop away is probably 10x more likely to fail than a WB because a WB can't fail (short of all the whiskers falling out which I've never heard of)
nevada
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I haven't witnessed it for myself yet, but I am told my brother can wear out a WB practicing before season. any experience with that?
im new to the drop away rests, but when they work, they are amazing. there are some things about them that I don't care for, but for the most part, they are pretty damn good.
JeepKiller
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I've been using mine for around 2 years so more than 2000 shots and it's still going strong. I'd love if there was a way to make a drop away that was guarenteed not to fail but there isn't.
nevada
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do you remember which brand/model rest you had that failed?
JeepKiller
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QAD Ultra Rest
I should've known better than to open this can of worms. 
As for your newby comment, I couldn't disagree more. A whisker biscuit is a quick and easy solution, but it's not the end all solution for experienced archers. I remember reading articles where the whisker biscuit is just barely less accurate at 20 yards, but I suspect the difference in accuracy would be exponentially different at 40 or 60+ yards.
Don't misinterpret what I'm getting at, I'm not trying to sway you away from using a whisker biscuit. If it works for you, use it and shoot all the deers, but don't make blanket statements like fall aways are for new shooters. If anything it would be the opposite, since setting up a fall away can be intimidating for new archers.
Nobody never torques. Look at the set ups the pros use, Jesse Broadwater, Tim Gillingham, Levi Morgan, they're all set up to be as forgiving as possible so that when they do torque their bows, the result is as small as possible.
As for your newby comment, I couldn't disagree more. A whisker biscuit is a quick and easy solution, but it's not the end all solution for experienced archers. I remember reading articles where the whisker biscuit is just barely less accurate at 20 yards, but I suspect the difference in accuracy would be exponentially different at 40 or 60+ yards.
Don't misinterpret what I'm getting at, I'm not trying to sway you away from using a whisker biscuit. If it works for you, use it and shoot all the deers, but don't make blanket statements like fall aways are for new shooters. If anything it would be the opposite, since setting up a fall away can be intimidating for new archers.
I had a sneaking suspicion this was the one you had issues with. Are you sure the cable clamps were tightened down correctly? Something would have had to go drastically wrong internally for the rest to not fall, and more than likely it wouldn't have worked at all afterwords. It even has a breakaway feature so that if it doesn't fall, the fletchings would knock the launcher down instead of destroying the rest.
You can typically wear out the brown bristles pretty easily, which are there only to provide containment. The black bristles that serve as the actual rest are much more difficult to wear out. I have heard a few stories of offbrand ones wearing out quickly though.
JeepKiller
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Not never, but not often enough for it to matter. Fall aways are used by a lot of newer shooters because they're the "best" and most expensive which leads many new shooters to choose them. The people who don't use them right of the bat usually don't because they are trying to get into hunting on a budget (which there is NOTHING wrong with). Hunting wise, a 60 yard shot is extremely impractical. A 40 yard shot is as far of a shot as you should take with a bow at any animal. Farther than that and the chance of injuring the animal increases exponentially due to how many outside factors can impact the arrow during the span of 60 yards. This isn't even considering the archers ability. The QAD completely froze up and would not budge until I took it off the bow to move it back and forth. If it works use it, if it doesn't don't.I should've known better than to open this can of worms.
Nobody never torques. Look at the set ups the pros use, Jesse Broadwater, Tim Gillingham, Levi Morgan, they're all set up to be as forgiving as possible so that when they do torque their bows, the result is as small as possible.
As for your newby comment, I couldn't disagree more. A whisker biscuit is a quick and easy solution, but it's not the end all solution for experienced archers. I remember reading articles where the whisker biscuit is just barely less accurate at 20 yards, but I suspect the difference in accuracy would be exponentially different at 40 or 60+ yards.
Don't misinterpret what I'm getting at, I'm not trying to sway you away from using a whisker biscuit. If it works for you, use it and shoot all the deers, but don't make blanket statements like fall aways are for new shooters. If anything it would be the opposite, since setting up a fall away can be intimidating for new archers.
I had a sneaking suspicion this was the one you had issues with. Are you sure the cable clamps were tightened down correctly? Something would have had to go drastically wrong internally for the rest to not fall, and more than likely it wouldn't have worked at all afterwords. It even has a breakaway feature so that if it doesn't fall, the fletchings would knock the launcher down instead of destroying the rest.
You can typically wear out the brown bristles pretty easily, which are there only to provide containment. The black bristles that serve as the actual rest are much more difficult to wear out. I have heard a few stories of offbrand ones wearing out quickly though.
ddnww
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Our deer hunt starts this Friday, I got my son sighted in on my 30-06 at about 325 yards. He hit a starbucks cup on his first shot. I think we are ready. Been watching 3 nice bucks for a number of weekends. We got two tags to fill. This will be my sons first buck. 4 days and counting .
ddnww
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Filled both our tags, my son got his first buck on the second day of our hunt around 7:15 am. After field dressing , skinning, and quartering, I got mine later that day around 5:30pm. He didn't even get buck fever, had a 125 yard running shot and nailed him right in the spine. Mine was a running shot as well at about 75 yards, lung shot. Not the biggest bucks, but our unit is a pretty tough hunt. Some of my friends are still out there on day 5 and haven't even seen anything yet. We got both ours on day 2.
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