If you had $4000 to spend on the 4runner...

Well here's my $.02... Unless you wheel every weekend, an SAS is waste IMO. It'll also make it drive worse the other 95% of the time when you're on road. You'll have to spend a lot more money matching your rear diff to the right ratio.. and who wants an SAS without a rear locker first? A locker will help you on the trails more so I say start with that and some gears and then if you get more into it and start doing more hardcore stuff, then get an SAS.
 
Well here's my $.02... Unless you wheel every weekend, an SAS is waste IMO. It'll also make it drive worse the other 95% of the time when you're on road. You'll have to spend a lot more money matching your rear diff to the right ratio.. and who wants an SAS without a rear locker first? A locker will help you on the trails more so I say start with that and some gears and then if you get more into it and start doing more hardcore stuff, then get an SAS.

If I was going SAS I would replace front and rear axles, and why waste your $$ on upgrading your IFS when you could just go straight to a solid axle? and lastly, who doesn't want to wheel every weekend??

The on road manners will be different but they're not horrible, I understand what your saying (and I know this isn't a hardcore crawler forum) but if you have the coin to get it done now...I say go for it.
 
If I was going SAS I would replace front and rear axles, and why waste your $$ on upgrading your IFS when you could just go straight to a solid axle? and lastly, who doesn't want to wheel every weekend??

The on road manners will be different but they're not horrible, I understand what your saying (and I know this isn't a hardcore crawler forum) but if you have the coin to get it done now...I say go for it.

Your plan will cost ~ double the $4000 that the OP has to spend. I would be surprised if you got out for less than $5000 for just the SAS. And that's if you figure out the geometry correctly the first time which happens about never. Steering conversion, suspension conversion, new driveline and all the steering arms and heim joints, new bracketry, axle shafts, new diff, gears, all the bearings, locker for the front, leafs (or coils), hubs, front locker, lots of expensive custom labor or a nice garage of your own, lots of free time and thousands in tools and fab machinery, and of course the axle housing itself.

Someone who hasn't really wheeled their IFS much yet would really be jumping into the deep end on an SAS. It's like when I used to sell people all the top of the line snowboard equipment and clothes and everything only to see them later that day learning how to ride on the bunny slope. I still say regear the front and rear and throw in a rear locker. You can get many years of use out of that set up and then decide to go more hardcore down the road.

You can also get a '79-'85 Yota pickup (or a used Heep) for less than $4000 usually and they already have SFAs. Why not build a true trail rig/rock crawler from a better platform to begin with? IMO, 3rd gens make great expedition vehicles, but not such great hardcore offroaders, lack of a roll cage being one key factor.
 
Your plan will cost ~ double the $4000 that the OP has to spend. I would be surprised if you got out for less than $5000 for just the SAS. And that's if you figure out the geometry correctly the first time which happens about never. Steering conversion, suspension conversion, new driveline and all the steering arms and heim joints, new bracketry, axle shafts, new diff, gears, all the bearings, locker for the front, leafs (or coils), hubs, front locker, lots of expensive custom labor or a nice garage of your own, lots of free time and thousands in tools and fab machinery, and of course the axle housing itself.

Someone who hasn't really wheeled their IFS much yet would really be jumping into the deep end on an SAS. It's like when I used to sell people all the top of the line snowboard equipment and clothes and everything only to see them later that day learning how to ride on the bunny slope. I still say regear the front and rear and throw in a rear locker. You can get many years of use out of that set up and then decide to go more hardcore down the road.

You can also get a '79-'85 Yota pickup (or a used Heep) for less than $4000 usually and they already have SFAs. Why not build a true trail rig/rock crawler from a better platform to begin with? IMO, 3rd gens make great expedition vehicles, but not such great hardcore offroaders, lack of a roll cage being one key factor.

Touche'... I'm making a lot of assumptions when recommending an SAS
 
And don't get me wrong, I would love to do an SAS on mine! I actaully even won a free Rock Assault solid axle housing at a TTORA raffle and started doing a lot of research on it. Even with the housing already, I was looking at and additional $3000 or so in parts and then all the labor since I don't have a garage and I still couldn't justify it so I sold it on Pirate.
 
Good info Brian. I think my money would be spent better on smaller items instead of just a SAS. I don't wheel hard enough to wreak the benefits of a SAS anyway since it's my DD. Brian I was wondering, how much did it cost for your new gears and the ARB rear locker setup?
 
Good info Brian. I think my money would be spent better on smaller items instead of just a SAS. I don't wheel hard enough to wreak the benefits of a SAS anyway since it's my DD. Brian I was wondering, how much did it cost for your new gears and the ARB rear locker setup?

The gears and locker weren't cheap, ~$2500. I didn't pay for labor to install the locker into the diff since they were doing my gears at the same time, but I still had to pay for the air compressor and it's install, running the air line into the diff (drilling a hole in the top), and wiring it all up.

You can save a couple hundred if you can remove your own 3rd members and buy new ones at eastcoastgearsupply.com. I didn't know about them at the time I did mine, but I would have gone with them if I had. You just order your diffs with whatever gear ratio you want and add a locker of your choice pre-installed. Then they ship them to you, you swap them out with your stock ones at your leisure and then ship them your old ones in the same boxes to get your core charge back. 5 yr P&L warranty too.
 
If you're planning on going 33's or 35's also plan on dropping 1200-2000 on re-gearing
Add more if you're gonna do a locker or two...

And there is NO way you're getting a SAS done on a 3rd Gen for less than double what he has to spend...ask 80yota4x4...
 
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Going rate for an SAS in my area from independent guys is ~$2500 for leafs and $3500 for coils. You can get work done quite a bit cheaper too if you can do some of the work yourself, those are the dropped off and picked up ready to wheel prices. A friend of mine has a waggy 44 and 9" with 5.13's, spools and cromoly shafts for $800 right now and I'm having a real hard time not throwing those axles under my rig and not buying a DD. Glad I know where to go to get value priced work done! :flipoff:
I'd probably need $4500 to get the SAS and doubler done.:banana:
 
Gave AAA my claim today and they should be coming out soon to make an estimate. Got a couple questions for people who have custom bumpers and 33s.
-For those with a custom rear bumper, are you going/ have you plated the frame? Why is it recommended? Does the front need to be plated as well? Also for shrockworks owners, how long did it take for you to receive your bumper? If you got the piaa 510s in the bumper were they already set up in the bumper or in a new box?
-For people who run 33's or more, do you feel that gears are necessary? I'm worried that I'll lose a lot of power and fuel economy. Also, if I put on my Toytec Ultimate Lift Kit should I be worried about rubbing? Right now I have some 295/70/17s in the shed and if I buy some new tires maybe I'll get 285/75/17s. (I know these are 34s...)
 
Gave AAA my claim today and they should be coming out soon to make an estimate. Got a couple questions for people who have custom bumpers and 33s.
-For those with a custom rear bumper, are you going/ have you plated the frame? Why is it recommended? Does the front need to be plated as well? Also for shrockworks owners, how long did it take for you to receive your bumper? If you got the piaa 510s in the bumper were they already set up in the bumper or in a new box?
-For people who run 33's or more, do you feel that gears are necessary? I'm worried that I'll lose a lot of power and fuel economy. Also, if I put on my Toytec Ultimate Lift Kit should I be worried about rubbing? Right now I have some 295/70/17s in the shed and if I buy some new tires maybe I'll get 285/75/17s. (I know these are 34s...)

Just speaking from past experience...285's aren't 34's... the last 2 4runners I owned both had 285s and they were right around 33 but nowhere near 34. Check the specs on any 285. I don't feel re-gearing is necessary with 33's. I am about to throw on 35's in a couple weeks and I am going to re-gear to 4.88's, though RockDawg84 is still running 4.10's with his 35's and says it's fine, he doesn't notice much or any loss of power.
 
Just speaking from past experience...285's aren't 34's... the last 2 4runners I owned both had 285s and they were right around 33 but nowhere near 34. Check the specs on any 285. I don't feel re-gearing is necessary with 33's. I am about to throw on 35's in a couple weeks and I am going to re-gear to 4.88's, though RockDawg84 is still running 4.10's with his 35's and says it's fine, he doesn't notice much or any loss of power.

I think you misread my tire spec. 285/75/17 are 33.8 and 285/70/17s are 32.7. Got this from this tire size calculator:Tire size calculator
Good to know that there people don't feel a huge loss of power. How much is re-gearing going to cost ya?
 
yukons 4.88's are like 200 for R&P, I'm having a friend install.... 400+tax front and rear plus buddy install I'll give him like 100 bucks or so? roughly
 
ya that shrockworks bumper is nice it was ony my list of things i wanted but i got a badland for 400 bucks and i love it
 
they are a stock size for a dodge or a nissan titan... thats the only truck i've ever seen em on. I wouldn't buy em.
 
Have you actually found a company who makes a 285/75/17 tire? I have yet to see one.

Nitto and Toyo both make 285 75 17s. Check google shopping...
Lol why is everyone having a tough time reading the tire spec I posted.
Downpour thats a great price on gears are you planning on adding a rear locker as well?
Elton your bumper is nice but I like the look of plated bumpers more than tubed. Are you going to get a winch?
 
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