If you were forced to go buy a non-Toyota/Lexus, what would you buy?

I just bought a '23 4Runner ORP and sold my '16 4Runner TEP, but I think a new Rubicon 392 would be fun.

"The Rubicon 392 is the highest performance Wrangler Jeep has ever produced. On the outside there is a triple-hoop steel bumper, hood scoop, bead-lock wheels, rock sliders and quad-tipped exhaust. On the inside you will be greeted by a special interior, 8.4in infotainment system and onboard air compressor. Under the hood is a 6.4L Hemi V8 that churns out 470HP. Is the 2023 Jeep Rubicon 392 20th Anniversary Edition a muscle car Wrangler?"
 
I just bought a '23 4Runner ORP and sold my '16 4Runner TEP, but I think a new Rubicon 392 would be fun.

Been a Jeep Wrangler owner for many years...still own a 2006 Rubicon. I wanted to get a newer one because they are a lot more comfortable and roadable compared to my '06 but after spending a bunch of time on the Jeep forums and reading about all the problems (mostly electrical, but death wobble is still a real thing even in a brand new Jeep) I changed my mind and bought my 4Runner. I want something to drive, not something to work on!

How'd you like to see this message come up on your vehicle when you're 100 miles from the nearest help? (Posted on one of the Jeep forums)
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an F150 or 250 4door, 4WD...something without a turbo engine, i guess one of the bigger V8s.

I have a 2003 F150 thats still giving me good local miles of hauling this and that.
 
Suzuki sidekick. But I have a Toyota because zukes we can't buy or ship into USA. Cheap, reliable, great economy and pretty much go anywhere any Toyota will. But we can't have them over here. Go figure?
 
No Fords. Too many issues with their heads blowing spark plugs out. They STILL Haven't fixed that, among other issues.

I would get a new Chevy 2500HD with the biggest gas engine and Allison transmission, and the heaviest towing package available. Diesel is a waste of money, unless you are hauling for money and can write it all off. You MIGHT save a few bucks in the long run when you figure the difference in fuel costs, maintenance, and initial purchase price of a Diesel.
 
No Fords. Too many issues with their heads blowing spark plugs out. They STILL Haven't fixed that, among other issues.

???I'd like to know where you got your data for that statement. Yes, Ford had a series of engines late '90s early 2000s that had problems due to a stupid head design and a stupid spark plug design but that was 20 years ago. I'm a gearhead - I follow all the forums having to do with trucks and I haven't seen one mention of this happening in vehicles built after about 2002.
 
I loved my Mazda 3, really great reliable and fun car i would love to have again.

But I want an off road vehicle and the only thing that would compare is a Jeep. Not sure what model, likely a Wagoneer since IMO is the most similar in size. But I would have to mod it a bit for off roading.
 
I loved my Mazda 3, really great reliable and fun car i would love to have again.

But I want an off road vehicle and the only thing that would compare is a Jeep. Not sure what model, likely a Wagoneer since IMO is the most similar in size. But I would have to mod it a bit for off roading.

Grand Cherokee is probably closest in size to a 4Runner actually. The Wrangler Unlimited is just a touch smaller if you look at dimensions also, but not packaged as well as the 4Runner to optimize interior volume.

The Jeep Wagoneer is derived off the same platform as the Ram. It's huge compared to a 4Runner, around 6 inches wider and 2 feet longer.
 
???I'd like to know where you got your data for that statement. Yes, Ford had a series of engines late '90s early 2000s that had problems due to a stupid head design and a stupid spark plug design but that was 20 years ago. I'm a gearhead - I follow all the forums having to do with trucks and I haven't seen one mention of this happening in vehicles built after about 2002.

Broken/seized spark plugs are the most common issue now. I worked at the Ford Service Department in 2012-2014. There was an F150 in there every day getting spark plugs replaced and being charged extra for broken spark plug removal and repair.
 
I just bought a '23 4Runner ORP and sold my '16 4Runner TEP, but I think a new Rubicon 392 would be fun.

"The Rubicon 392 is the highest performance Wrangler Jeep has ever produced. On the outside there is a triple-hoop steel bumper, hood scoop, bead-lock wheels, rock sliders and quad-tipped exhaust. On the inside you will be greeted by a special interior, 8.4in infotainment system and onboard air compressor. Under the hood is a 6.4L Hemi V8 that churns out 470HP. Is the 2023 Jeep Rubicon 392 20th Anniversary Edition a muscle car Wrangler?"

Never really thought of a compressor as an interior feature. :wacko:

As for the question, if money is no object, an Earthroamer.

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Been a Jeep Wrangler owner for many years...still own a 2006 Rubicon. I wanted to get a newer one because they are a lot more comfortable and roadable compared to my '06 but after spending a bunch of time on the Jeep forums and reading about all the problems (mostly electrical, but death wobble is still a real thing even in a brand new Jeep) I changed my mind and bought my 4Runner. I want something to drive, not something to work on!

How'd you like to see this message come up on your vehicle when you're 100 miles from the nearest help? (Posted on one of the Jeep forums)
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I have a 2006 LJ and was looking into a newer Jeep for a daily driver and landed on the same opinion as you.

My wife drives a GMC Yukon with 282,000 miles, just drove it on a 20 hour round trip a few weeks ago.
 

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