Inline 6 for the 6th Gen?

Jetboy said:
There's not a good reason for Toyota to build a diesel. Toyota is going hybrid and EV options for all models by 2025. Hybrid gasoline engines can run with unequal compression and exhaust strokes that net around 40% thermal efficiency. That's about the same as a diesel. The hybrid system solves the low torque output of those unequal effective stroke designs. So a hybrid gas engine is nearly as efficient as a hybrid diesel and costs a lot less to produce. In countries where diesel fuel is more common and usually significantly less expensive and emissions systems are not currently regulated in the same way - sure it makes sense. If the cost of a DEF system is similar to a hybrid system - in the USA Toyota's almost certainly going to opt for the hybrid.

Would a I6 gas or diesel be great? Yep. Toyota is just soo conservative it's not likely to happen. If they aren't even willing to put a v8 in the 4Runner that they already have and already sell in the same platform, I can't see anything exciting being very likely.

It's very unlikely that the emissions rules are going to get less strict. Jeep is also building an EV wrangler and a hybrid. Those are the future of the wrangler. I love the big v8 wrangler idea - but I think we all know it's going to be short lived. But hats off to Jeep for at doing something great when the window is open to do it.

I think we'll be left dreaming of a turbo 6, hoping for any sort of 6cyl, and getting a 4cyl. I might driving a turbo 6 or v8. It just won't be a Toyota for the first time in a long time.
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This is so wrong in so many places. I dont have time to fact check this poop stew.
 
mscot said:
Jeep just announced a V8 Wrangler and we're hoping for a f-ing inline 6.
Toyota is done.
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Can't agree...

Since it's going to be a rich kid's toy they'll be rolling over everywhere when the idiots start street racing them. Not to mention probably using (mostly) the same driveline, and we know how often those break on Wranglers already, even with sub-300hp.

I'll take my 270hp, 400,000 mile reliable engine for 20+ years, thanks.
 
JLTD said:
Can't agree...

Since it's going to be a rich kid's toy they'll be rolling over everywhere when the idiots start street racing them. Not to mention probably using (mostly) the same driveline, and we know how often those break on Wranglers already, even with sub-300hp.

I'll take my 270hp, 400,000 mile reliable engine for 20+ years, thanks.
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You better hold on to what you have for that 400k miles then.
Toyota is already getting rid of the LC. What do you think happens to the 4R once sales crash b/c they refuse to release a BOF with an engine that does anything more than drive slowly and loudly for 300k miles while every other major auto brand has a competitor that has more features AND more power.
People wanting an Offroad capable vehicle are a minority.
People wanting to drive the same car for 20+ years are a minority of a minority.
People wanting to dive a gutless car for a 20+ years, well...

I do agree with you that a bunch of a-holes are going to flip those V8 jeeps.
 
Not saying it won't happen, it's just that ALL the Japanese manufacturers have been unwilling to take the emissions hit by selling diesel passenger vehicles in the US.

Nissan SOLD a Titan with a Cummins diesel (looks like it's now gone) and someone smarter than me can maybe chime in whether this counts against the emissions standards for a manufacturer, or doesn't when they use a third party engine???
 
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LandCruiser said:
Nissan SOLD a Titan with a Cummins diesel (looks like it's now gone) and someone smarter than me can maybe chime in whether this counts against the emissions standards for a manufacturer, or doesn't when they use a third party engine???
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Honestly the problem with Titan Diesel was it was some wierdo inbetween tuck that hauled & towed less than a 3/4 ton but somehow got worse mileage.
 
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One pretty reliable source says that the mazda I6 engines are destined for longitudinal mounted Lexus cars. First to show up in the 2024 4th gen IS model. GS is dead. So I'd guess that the IS and RC are the only platforms it would make it into unless the RX has a complete re-design for a totally different drive train configuration.

Still seems odd because the Rav4 Prime drive train would be faster than the current IS. And for the IS to be competitive going forward - it needs to be more like Model 3 speed, not Rav4 speed. Even the current Supra BMW turbo 6 isn't really even in the same ball park as a Model 3 performance. If the IS is going to survive another generation, it needs to be quicker than 5 second 0-60 times.
 
Jetboy said:
Even the current Supra BMW turbo 6 isn't really even in the same ball park as a Model 3 performance.
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Are you saying the Mazda 3 series is in a different performance ballpark than the new Supra motor?

Got it, Tesla model 3, nevermind.

I don't see why an IS lexus needs to be ridiculous fast, they never have been.
 
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Inv4drZm said:
Are you saying the Mazda 3 series is in a different performance ballpark than the new Supra motor?

Got it, Tesla model 3, nevermind.

I don't see why an IS lexus needs to be ridiculous fast, they never have been.
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Model 3. M3. Mazda 3 and BMW M3 all gets kinda confusing. But I was meaning Model 3.

I agree that it doesn't need to be ridiculously fast. But the Model 3 isn't really a sports car either. The goal posts have moved. 5 seconds 0-60 just isn't "fast" anymore in sport sedans. For me at least the Model 3 is the benchmark for modern mid range performance sedan. Starts at $37k and the base model is around 5 seconds 0-60. For $55k you get an awd sedan that can do a 3 second 0-60 and 11.5 quarter mile. And they actually handle pretty well too.

If the next gen IS is going to be a competitive car - it will exist in the same market as the Model 3. The next generation of EVs are all going to offer similar performance. So if the IS is going to continue to exist, it needs to be a lot better than it is now. I had an 07 IS and really liked it. Dealer employee conveniently parked it outside of the fence for overnight service and I'm pretty sure the same employee who parked it outside also came back after hours and stripped the interior - like really stripped including taking the interior door panels, the entire center console all the way to the carpet plus the dash panels and parts. That's why we got rid of it, not because it wasn't a great car.

It's crazy to see that they're still sticking with the same engine though now that it's 13 years later. It's still got to be sporty by modern sport sedan standards. The ES is a better luxury sedan. The TLX is now 355hp. So - at least for me - a new N/A I6 isn't going to move the needle much on IS sales. A turbo I6 with 400hp? maybe. But BMW is struggling to move 3 series too as a result of Tesla's competition. A PHEV IS with 450hp? - that would sell a lot better in my view. It's the only way I'd probably take another look at one.
 
JLTD said:
Pair it with a manual transmission and 4wd and I'll be first in line.

(Pun intended)
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And some factory rustproofing like Land Rover had done with Waxoyl on the Discovery 1.
I have a 99 and that is my dedicated snow vehicle now.

21 years and minimal rust underneath.
 
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