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Were the previous V8's very close in fuel economy to the 4.0? Were getting 17.8 mpg with mostly freeway driving per the onboard computer. My 6.3L Cummins gets close to that. Im ok with the fuel economy because the truck is pretty sweet but Im curious why it's so much less than you would expect.
 
Modern ECU's are designed to adjust ignition timing etc. on their own (within limits) for maximum efficiency, so ECU tunes are pretty much a waste of money for naturally aspirated engines. On the other hand if you have a forced induction vehicle, ECU tunes can increase boost to give pretty impressive power gains on some vehicles, but that can require other hardware to be upgraded such as fuel injectors and pulleys.
 
4Rager said:
Modern ECU's are designed to adjust ignition timing etc. on their own (within limits) for maximum efficiency, so ECU tunes are pretty much a waste of money for naturally aspirated engines. On the other hand if you have a forced induction vehicle, ECU tunes can increase boost to give pretty impressive power gains on some vehicles, but that can require other hardware to be upgraded such as fuel injectors and pulleys.
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Ya I get that. Ive tuned my Subaru and Diesel trucks. They were claiming something that didn't make any sense to me from a mechanical standpoint so Im glad I got your opinions. I don't know how a company can claim these types of gains without actual results and get away with it.
 
WOOHOO!!! a 70 dollar resistor in a box!

Yep, that's most likely what it is. It changes the air intake temp sensor's value to richen up the a/f ratio, basically fooling the ecu into thinking its a bit colder outside to get a little more fuel into the system. Too bad the ecu also checks with a few other sensors, such as the o2 sensor, to correct the a/f ratio to the proper, stoichiometric mixture.

So far, absolutely nobody on this forum has found any type of programmer, chip, tuner or module to enhance the performance of our 1GR engine.

If there's one company that may possibly, one day, in the not-so-near future, when the moons align just perfectly, it would be URD. They "claim" that they now have built a prototype harness to install their standalone ecu for the 4runner, but until they actually show numbers and actual documentation, we have nothing. And even if/when they do, I'm already afraid of the god awful amounts of money they'll be charging for a full standalone ecu!

I'm depressed now. Time to drink a beer or two...:(
 
So the question is, is this runner just 270 HP? I cannot imagine someone putting a Runner in the B1000 and not increasing the HP.
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Bully Dog claims to have cracked Toyota's Fort Knox security and sells a tuner. Big bucks for very modest advertised gains. I don't know of anyone who tried it. Check out their website.
 
voodoolord said:
So the question is, is this runner just 270 HP? I cannot imagine someone putting a Runner in the B1000 and not increasing the HP.
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^^^ Agreed. I watched the Youtube videos of the build, They were running in a limited class. They had the required safety gear installed and a set of inline bypass Bilstein shocks, but they were very limited in what they could do the to truck. This is in fact the same 2010 4runner prototype that ran the Rubicon trail first in stock form except for a set of sliders. Then it was handed off to TRD to prep it for Baja. They rolled it near the end of the race, but still managed a respectable finish. You must remember there is still a very competitive Class (11) that runs Baja in basically stock VW Beetles. Those made what, 49hp?
 
Hawaiian4runner said:
Wrong again. They have an updated version. The one I was familiar with was discontinued.
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Better get it soon! Once the carmakers get the gov't to add ecu's into the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), it will be illegal to modify in any way, shape or form, any manufacturer's ecu!

This is why I think the aftermarket ecu market is going to become big business soon. Companies like URD, AEM, MoTec and MegaSquirt will be doing a LOT more work on making drop-in ecu boxes for vehicles, I just hope the cost to do so will drop.
 
flyinhawaiian01 said:
Better get it soon! Once the carmakers get the gov't to add ecu's into the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), it will be illegal to modify in any way, shape or form, any manufacturer's ecu!

This is why I think the aftermarket ecu market is going to become big business soon. Companies like URD, AEM, MoTec and MegaSquirt will be doing a LOT more work on making drop-in ecu boxes for vehicles, I just hope the cost to do so will drop.
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Modifying an ECU and running a vehicle on the street has been illegal since ECUs came out. Before that, modifying a carb was illegal on a street vehicle since the 70s. Federal emissions laws.

Dan
 
Danimal said:
Modifying an ECU and running a vehicle on the street has been illegal since ECUs came out. Before that, modifying a carb was illegal on a street vehicle since the 70s. Federal emissions laws.

Dan
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No, it is NOT illegal to modify an ecu, so long as the equipment passed Fed emission laws (or met CARB requirements if you lived in California)! Now, if the equipment said "legal for offroad use only" then yeah, but there are lots of stuff that's perfectly fine for street legal vehicles. Also, if you can't pass your smog test after you install a bunch of stuff on your vehicle, or put that huge dual 48 carb set on that old Toyota Celica, then of course its illegal!

However, if the manufacturers get their way, it will be illegal to modify the ecu at all. They've already started making it extremely hard to reverse-program them so tuners are able to modify the signal, but they want it completely illegal to even try doing this! That's why companies like URD are just building harnesses to completely remove the stock ecu altogether. Problem solved! They won't even bother looking at the stock ecu, they'll just put their own in!

And, if it were illegal, then ecu tuner manufacturing companies would be in court fighting a huge battle! Since I linked to Bullydog earlier, here's their own website stating it is "49 state legal":

https://www.bullydogtuners.com/articles/bully-dog-dodge-ram-gt-tuners-chips-trucks

Read towards the bottom of that page. If you don't belive that, then call 'em and ask them for a form stating their legalities of using this on the street.
 
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