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Any measurements and or building diagram for the rear tire swing out? And do you think you could add some large rotopax pretty easily? You mentioned Building your own high clearance rear bumper.... would you scrap the tire carrier? Looks like it sits as high or higher than a cbis rear bumper
 
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Any measurements and or building diagram for the rear tire swing out? And do you think you could add some large rotopax pretty easily? You mentioned Building your own high clearance rear bumper.... would you scrap the tire carrier? Looks like it sits as high or higher than a cbis rear bumper

Yes, I need to post some dimensions and specs for it. Rotopax would be easy to mount, just need to integrate a bracket to hold those and the license plate. I had it designed for rotopax early on but wanted to make it quickly for my trip.

The rear bumper I had in mind would replace the rear crossmember like 4x4 Lab's. I have more clearance than CBI's because I removed the OEM tow accessory and having a 1.5" body lift and a 3" rear spring helps exaggerate it more. I barely scraped the latch mount coming off a huge rock in Fins & Things in Moab and my bumper got me stuck trying to back up a wall I couldn't drive up in Colorado and my brother had to pull me over (Note to self: Never let your brother pull you up an obstacle he already made it over, if you can help it.) So yes, I pretty much plan to scrap this swing-out in the near future if I feel up to making my own rear bumper.

From page 5 of this thread:

Got the spindle in and will be finalizing the design. It can hold x2 2 gallon Rotopax. Will hopefully have a buddy at work cut this out along with my skids on the plasma table once I get those designed.



 
Didn't want to reveal this yet but...



Need to figure out which fiberglass fenders I want so I can plan the width of this bumper. Baja Designs Squadron Pro for the corner wings, a 20" LED bar for the center, and some large round HID lights for the center hoop should do nicely.

I hope nobody steals my design LOL.
 
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Didn't want to reveal this yet but...



Need to figure out which fiberglass fenders I want so I can plan the width of this bumper. Baja Designs Squadron Pro for the corner wings, a 20" LED bar for the center, and some large round HID lights for the center hoop should do nicely.

I hope nobody steals my design LOL.

Saved. Screenshot taken. Printed. Working on production now! lmfao
Looks good man! I really need to do this one of these days.
 
Alright! The moment you've all been waiting for people! My how-to on my rear tire carrier swing-out! Time to break out your reading glasses.:nerd:



Steel Materials:

  • 41" 2" square tubing for main arm.
  • 20" 2" square tubing for vertical tire support.
  • 6" 2" square tubing for wheel mount standoff.
  • 1/4" plate gussets for upright tire support.
  • Steel unthreaded spacer McMaster-Carr # 92415A159 for inside the swing arm to locate the latch pin.
  • 3 studs to mount spare tire.
  • T-Handle Push-button Pin McMaster-Carr # 93750A713

Latch system:

I used the same 2" square tubing and cut off 3 of the sides most of the way down a 3" section. I then welded on the CNC-cut top and bottom plates of the latch with 1/2" bushings from McMaster Carr. I went with a pin because I knew I would be paranoid of it swinging out while driving if I used a bolt with a welded on handle or a red-handled latch and I only wanted to use 1 hand to open it. These other two options would be easier to keep from rattling though. I had a perfect fit with my latch system; it slid in so smooth and hardly had any play. But the way it's designed (metal on metal) if there was half a millimeter of play, it would rattle when you drove it. I temporarily placed a small rubber strand which gets pinched when the swing-out locks in place and that little guy has solved my rattling problem (pictured below). If I were to redesign the latch, I would add some rubber bushings around the pin to reduce metal on metal rattling.







Hinge System:

I used the 4Xinnovations hinge and it has worked great except for the two holes they use to locate the spring-loaded pin. The first hole the pin locks into doesn't allow the tire to swing far enough away and hits the hatch when it opens. I welded in a steel spacer plate in the stainless steel plate that comes with the kit so the spring-loaded pin slides overtop the hole and into the next one. This all depends on where you weld the spring-loaded pin in relation to the spindle so don't just weld it anywhere! Unfortunately the steel I welded in of course caused some rust issues in the stainless plate.:doh:



Other Design Considerations:

The most important thing with a swing-out on our trucks- make sure when the hatch door opens it clears the tire!! Mine does by 2-3" with a 33" tire so I'm pretty sure a 35 would fit. This is a function of the length of the swing arm aka the distance the tire is mounted from the spindle and where the spindle gets welded to the frame. My spindle plate from the 4Xinnovations kit is welded hanging off the right side of my frame an inch or so to get the arm distance as long as possible shown in the below picture. You probably don't want your tire to cover up your rear tailight so it involves a bit of math. (Or guess and check)

I welded the latch to the truck with the tire mounted on the swing arm. Without the tire mounted, I have to push down on the arm to get it to latch.

You will need to relocate your license plate and add a light.:police:

I had to remove the factory towing accessory because of how close I wanted the swing arm to the frame and the accessory has a plate that bolts to the center of the rear crossmember and sticks out. I didn't really mind losing it because I wanted as large of departure angle as possible.

I can see the rear tire in the rearview mirror bounce front to back a bit even on the interstate, but it survived a 2000mi wheeling trip to Moab and Colorado so I'm not too concerned. I think most of this comes from the torsional stress (twisting) of the swing arm and less from the vertical tire support tube. I would make sure to use some thick-walled tubing for the swing arm unlike me where I could only find like .1" wall at work. :doh:

I obviously trimmed the rear bumper with a dremel, the pictures are pretty self-explanatory. There is a gap below the grey tread plate from my body lift and if I would have welded the tire carrier a bit higher it would have covered this up. But since I trimmed the rear bumper this tread plate basically has no support underneath so I will need to add a spacer like the factory foam piece that fits under there if I plan on using the tread plate.



For more pictures- they are a couple pages back in this build thread.



Resources:

Spare tire carrier - Toyota 120 Platforms Forum

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/117953-rear-tire-carrier.html

t4rman's build - Page 11 - Toyota 120 Platforms Forum

chiplee's LTD '04 V8 - Page 2 - Toyota 120 Platforms Forum

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/101762-what-did-you-do-your-4runner-today-891.html

Show me your homemade bumper swing outs! - Page 3 - Expedition Portal

Now go and build your own! Don't bother me about selling one to you.:flipoff:

Update

This whole time I thought it was my latch that was the weak point allowing the tire to continuously rock front to back an inch on certain parts of the interstate, making me nervous watching it in the rearview mirror. As you can see I've continued to weld scrap metal on to try and stop this. I bought a destaco 334 latch clamp and welded it on this weekend to find out it really didn't help either. My end conclusion is that the main tube is simply too weak to support the tire's torsional stress; it just twists even though the two ends are solidly anchored. I could only find this thin wall 2" tube at work at the time. Wish I used 1/4 wall.

I learned a lot about making swing-outs, and this one will still hold me over until I make a full rear bumper, I know how I would improve the tire carrier for next time.

Some of my welds turned out crappy because I was in a hurry and it was breezy outside which of course blew away all the shielding gas.

















Update #2

TOYOTA SEQUOIA SWING OUT TIRE CARRIER - Geto Scoot

This is a pretty cool design on a Sequoia; they put the swingout above the tread plate. Sleeker and more protected than mine. More difficult to trim the plastic and weld the mounts though.

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really nice build, Great job... if you build that awesome front bumper, when i built mine and went straight up from the frame horns it was 3/4 in off. the passenger horn is closer to the center, in order to center the bumper to the grill i had to build out the pass side 3/4 in. This was not a fun surprise and added an extra day. It depends on how you build your mounts,but i thought it might help.
 
really nice build, Great job... if you build that awesome front bumper, when i built mine and went straight up from the frame horns it was 3/4 in off. the passenger horn is closer to the center, in order to center the bumper to the grill i had to build out the pass side 3/4 in. This was not a fun surprise and added an extra day. It depends on how you build your mounts,but i thought it might help.

Thanks, I hadn't considered measuring that. Sounds like Toyota must have did that to mess with us then? :noidea:
Maybe the intern screwed up?
 
Yes!

Unfortunately the latch on the left side rattles a bit :(
Hardly any play but apparently enough.
Will need to incorporate a rubber pad somewhere.







Curves to match nicely around the rear crossmember.:nerd:



It only took 10 minutes to whip these bad boys up. I made them 1.5" taller for my BL but they are a bit too large, although I have enough material to try again. Ordered 1/16" EPDM rubber sheet from MSC (Link).








clean :trophy:
 
Took a trip this weekend to Tuttle Creek ORV about 1.5hrs away. My first time there in my 4Runner.












This next picture show a part of the trail I had to get winched up. The FJ made it with it's rear locker and ATRAC intentionally disabled. I need a switch that disables my ATRAC so bad, is that possible to do? Lockers would help too but I'm broke. At one point I tried flooring it to make it up, by the time my engine got high enough RPM to kick off ATRAC, I had already slowed momentum and dug a hole again and started smoking tires on the rocks. This happened on a couple loose rocky climbs today.:sobbing: Daddy needs some lockers.



Airing back up:

 
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Great pictures! I was there last summer and had a blast!

Yeah, its always fun there unless it's really muddy.

Next time we go we might have a small group of Toyotas from KC along with my 4Runner and my brother's FJ. I could PM you if you'd be interested in coming too?
 
Decided I would tackle re-buffing my headlights. It's been almost a year since I last buffed them and they been looking pretty bad for a while now. This time I buffed them with my DA polisher like last time, but I sprayed an automotive clear coat (2k) over top afterward. Hopefully they will last longer with the clear coat. Lots of orange peel which I'll try buffing out once it fully dries. I obviously still have a bunch of the cracks in my old headlights but at least they are not too noticeable when they are clear.

Left side buffed:



Right Before spraying with clear:



After clear coating/ still drying:






 
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