Is this a safe snatch-recovery point (pics)?

[jjdbike]

Hi everyone.
Attached are two pics. They are the driverside rear underside of my 2011 SR5. My question is specifc to that steel loop to th left of the spare tire and electrial/wireharness receptical. That looks like a factory tie down. Is it safe & strong enough to be used for a snatch recovery point w/ a soft shackle & a kinetic recivery rope?
Thanks!
JD

 

[meltdown]

Yes.

 

[BLACK-FL4RUNNER]

Strong enough? Sure.
Is it a good recovery point? Not really.

It's tucked up high, you'll probably damage your bumper with the rope.

Use the rear hitch.

 

[nb rob]

I agree w/ above. Rear hitch with the pin is a great point to use. I've used mine with an ARB snatch strap a few times now. Eye of the strap fits perfectly inside the receiver too.

I have a shackle-receiver thingy, but it's just used as road armour as I live in a town with world-class bad drivers. When it's time to snatch, shackle thingy comes out and I just use the pin. Just my $.02....

 

[Runer4Life]

Something like this would be much better.

 

[jjdbike]

I agree w/ above. Rear hitch with the pin is a great point to use. I've used mine with an ARB snatch strap a few times now. Eye of the strap fits perfectly inside the receiver too.

I have a shackle-receiver thingy, but it's just used as road armour as I live in a town with world-class bad drivers. When it's time to snatch, shackle thingy comes out and I just use the pin. Just my $.02....

Thanks for the replys.
I’ve heard horror stories about pins bending and needing to be cut out which is no easy task. If that happened while in the field it would be a real nightmare.
Isn’t that (i.e., bending hitch pin) a concern?
JD

 

[Engineer]

Thanks for the replys.
I’ve heard horror stories about pins bending and needing to be cut out which is no easy task. If that happened while in the field it would be a real nightmare.
Isn’t that (i.e., bending hitch pin) a concern?
JD

At that point I think the phrase "your doing it wrong" applies.

I have never heard of or seen a bent hitch pin. You have, so I can't /won't say it doesn't happen but I wouldn't be concerned. I don't like the idea of just using a hitch pin though, those blocks with a D-ring are so cheap there is no reason to not have one if you go off-road. Its a easy attachment point and removes risk of cutting/chaffing the snatch strap on the receiver edges etc. or the chance that someone has a 3" strap that doesn't fit in the receiver well

 

[nb rob]

It's a concern on the internet.

I haven't seen it happen yet, and I've really come on to the 15000 lb strap. If the pin does bend, I'll throw the rest of my strap on the roof, strap it down, and figure it out when I get home. I carry a spare pin and a ball and peen hammer. I'm really not concerned. I've talked to others, and it's not really an issue, unless you've got a really cheapo pin I suppose.

I would be much more concerned about a cheap shackle bending and not being able to release. The one in the photo above is a good candidate. Quality shackles have a different colored pin. I buy mine at masterpull.


Ronnie Dahl approves of the pin also.

 

[jjdbike]

You make good points.
Thanks!
JD

 

[nb rob]

however; you are 100% correct. The bent hitch pin is the concern. And at the end of the day I'm just another guy on the interweb.... so take my advice with a grain of salt and weight it and make your own decision.

 

[mace.]

It's a concern on the internet.



I haven't seen it happen yet, and I've really come on to the 15000 lb strap. If the pin does bend, I'll throw the rest of my strap on the roof, strap it down, and figure it out when I get home. I carry a spare pin and a ball and peen hammer. I'm really not concerned. I've talked to others, and it's not really an issue, unless you've got a really cheapo pin I suppose.



I would be much more concerned about a cheap shackle bending and not being able to release. The one in the photo above is a good candidate. Quality shackles have a different colored pin. I buy mine at masterpull.





Ronnie Dahl approves of the pin also.

Ronnie Dahl here....from 4 Wheeling in Western Australia.

 

[1engineer]

Thanks for the replys.
I’ve heard horror stories about pins bending and needing to be cut out which is no easy task. If that happened while in the field it would be a real nightmare.
Isn’t that (i.e., bending hitch pin) a concern?
JD

Take a few minutes, brush up on a little arithmetic and google "double shear" as it applies to the hitch pin. If you bend the proper pin doing recovery then I want to know how you managed to generate that kind of load...
[MENTION=96008]Engineer[/MENTION]

 

[e60ral]

I would be much more concerned about a cheap shackle bending and not being able to release. The one in the photo above is a good candidate. Quality shackles have a different colored pin. I buy mine at masterpull.

the color of the shackle and pin is not how you should decide if a shackle is good, you check the WLL stamped on the shackle and make sure its from a reputable manufacturer. for example crosby and CM make good shackles and you can get both in solid colors. if i go on alibaba I can find loads of shackles with color pins that i can have drop shipped straight from china for pennies each and i wouldn't trust any of those


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i like the slide in recovery points so i don't have to jam the strap in a muddy hitch and let it rub against sharp edges

 

[nb rob]

the color of the shackle and pin is not how you should decide if a shackle is good, you check the WLL stamped on the shackle and make sure its from a reputable manufacturer. for example crosby and CM make good shackles and you can get both in solid colors. if i go on alibaba I can find loads of shackles with color pins that i can have drop shipped straight from china for pennies each and i wouldn't trust any of those


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i like the slide in recovery points so i don't have to jam the strap in a muddy hitch and let it rub against sharp edges

You are absolutely right about that. I over-generalized and put out some bad info.
Thanks for the correction.

Quality shackles have a rating stamped on them. And it's good to know where they're coming from. Cheap shackles are probably false economy.

 

[Engineer]

"double shear" [MENTION=96008]Engineer[/MENTION]

Stop talking dirty

 

[jjdbike]

I agree w/ above. Rear hitch with the pin is a great point to use. I've used mine with an ARB snatch strap a few times now. Eye of the strap fits perfectly inside the receiver too.

I have a shackle-receiver thingy, but it's just used as road armour as I live in a town with world-class bad drivers. When it's time to snatch, shackle thingy comes out and I just use the pin. Just my $.02....

First off, thank you everyone for your input.
Now I understand that many, if not most, here are confidant that the bent pin is highly unlikely.
Others have pointed out other benifits of a slide in shackle bracket w/ a quality shackle as a recovery point, e.g, cleaner, less potential sharp edges, room for a potential 3" strap, etc.
my question for nb rob is if one has a slide in shackle bracket and quality shackle, why would one bother to take it out and use a hitch pin for a recovery?
On the other hand I do see advantages of simply using a hitch pin. It's cheaper. Takes up less space. Won't bang your knee on it. Fewer potential failure points.
While I do see the advantages, the thing that concerns me the most about simply using a hitch pin is the potential to damage expensive kinetic recover ropes on sharp edges of inside of tow receiver.
Good suddestions for quality shackles here. Any suggestions for strong quality hitch pins?
Thanks again everyone!
JD

 

[MisplacedTexan]

Rob probably switchs to the pin since it's faster than unscrewing the D-ring to hook up, which is a big part of why I bought soft shackles for mine.

Also, I could never get the loop for my kinetic rope into the receiver, and I don't want my soft shackles chaffing on the edges of it either.

 

[JohnTheLuck]

... which is a big part of why I bought soft shackles for mine.

Also, I could never get the loop for my kinetic rope into the receiver, and I don't want my soft shackles chaffing on the edges of it either.

Did you ever used your soft shackle? Are you satisfied with it? I am hesitating between an aluminum hitch receiver and the soft one.

 

[Antman]

Stop talking dirty

Huh. I only opened this thread for snatch pics.:lock1:

 

[jjdbike]

Rob probably switchs to the pin since it's faster than unscrewing the D-ring to hook up, which is a big part of why I bought soft shackles for mine.

Also, I could never get the loop for my kinetic rope into the receiver, and I don't want my soft shackles chaffing on the edges of it either.

Exactly!
I've also heard (yes I know I/we hear a lot of things) that the soft shackles are a safer option.
What do you use as a rear recovery point for your soft shackle?
JD