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Peter Pan builds a child army and it's all good, but when a black man does it...
Kony 2012
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haha even better, save a picture of carl weathers from predator to your photobucket, save the name as KONY 2012
Hepar
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Just some food for thought:
We got trouble. - Visible Children - KONY 2012 Criticism
A link to IC's responses is at the bottom.
*edit* Oops. Just noticed that this was already posted. Gomenasai (sorry)
We got trouble. - Visible Children - KONY 2012 Criticism
A link to IC's responses is at the bottom.
*edit* Oops. Just noticed that this was already posted. Gomenasai (sorry)
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theizzardking
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trying this now, will report the results.
either my friends are to smart or too rad, either way not much of a response.
Hepar
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If your friends don't know who that is, they should be unfriended.
theizzardking
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right, i'm too old. almost made me wish i was 13 so i could troll harder, ALMOST wish that.
those little punk ass *****es would have no clue who Apollo creed was!
Hepar
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revenantdead
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x2 fix the us first. We got our own sh!t to deal with..
dammit you beat me to it!!!!!!!
JohnsD90
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Do a bit more research on the WHOLE topic, I'm not standing up for him but it is definitely worth looking at if you are that passionate about it:
KONY 2012 - Exclusive Interview with Joseph Kony and his troops (BBC Sam Farmar) - YouTube
KONY 2012 - Exclusive Interview with Joseph Kony and his troops (BBC Sam Farmar) - YouTube
BrianSD_42
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I think stopping the Lords Resistance Army is a good cause within reason. If the US could take him out with a drone or special forces then fine but it just isn't possible. What everyone on this thread seems to agree on is that facebook causes often enlist idiots who have no idea about Geo-Politics.
Haiti was and still is a disaster. NGOs have been working there for 10+ years and the people are still poorer than ever before, even before the earthquake hit.
Money and pledges are not enough to make a difference.
I would rather we give increased funding to fighting HIV or Malaria in Africa, the Gates Foundation has been very successful $ for $ compared to typical NGOs on these two crisis.
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I just don't know enough to see where to even look to stand on the topic, i think the real problem is, is how many people blindly follow one viral video's message.
And seriously, did no one have any idea that rebel groups and african governments were killing innocent people? I figured it was pretty common knowledge.(not just this group, and not just uganda)
I completely agree. As their public earning records state, they have taken in about $4 million before everything went live in the past few days. $1.4 million has gone to pay 'salaries' of employees, $1.5 has gone to travel expenses. I think the ultimate scam is to spread propaganda about someone, USE KIDS to really hit someone's heart, and then ask for money. This could easily be a new reformed Nigerian scam. The international crime folks have him on the top of their list so let them do their job.
Exactly! Congressmen all said, they will try and save all the children first and then extract him. This makes the whole 'mission' impossible. He said that because you are never going to be able to get all the innocent bystanders away to kill him alone. The kid in the video clearly states he'd rather be dead so freaking bomb him, take them out. That is the easy answer but will never happen. The US sent troops down to act like they care. They wouldn't put our troops in danger like that because of complaining US citizens.
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It's nice to see someone admit this. I've spent the last 5 years developing strategies to help Uganda, spend 6-8 months out of a year there, and am doing everything I can to help rebuild the education infrastructure in Uganda and South Sudan.
And all of a sudden, there are millions of experts on foreign aid, stopping warlords, and Uganda around the world because they watched a 30 minute video on a 20 year long, largely outdated conflict. It's amazing how they painted northern Uganda to be a war zone. It isn't. Actually I've never met a national in Northern Uganda that knew of Invisible Children.
This campaign picked a healing scab. It gave attention to an egocentric murderer who now has the attention he wants. I leave for Uganda next Monday. If he decides his newly found fame is a great stage for ramping up his activities, God help the thousands of innocent people that lay in his path.
Wonder how everyone who is promoting this will feel when they learn they contributed to more deaths?
theizzardking
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this is exactly what to was trying to explain to my friends last night, and got looks like "you ****ing ****" haha, but really i'm all for raising awareness, and part of me is glad that this video got lots of people interested and willing to help, but i honestly feel invisible children's job is done now, they have no real plan on how to move forward from here besides arming the current governments military.. basically .... and like you said plenty of great people who have been working there for 20 years who have a real concept of the complexity of the situation, people like yourself who understand problems like this won't be solved by over throwing a government or taking out renegade military leader, but through education,infrastructure and just generally lifting the people up as a whole instead of devolving the situation as a whole with the use of violence and military strikes and such, your just perpetuating the problem even further. Give the people and children of the nations over there another option besides fighting and war and they will take it.
sure it'll take a few generations to fix things but sending arms and taking out dictators/war lords/governments in Africa hasn't worked since forever.
my only advice to my friends on the matter was to seek another organization besides the ones who made the film, give your money to someone who is going to change something, invisible children's goal was to raise awareness, mission accomplished, now lets move forward and do something that can be helpful.
i like john, don't know enough to really know how you would really get this done and the best way of making a difference in the end, Since we're talking about this and i have the opportunity to ask a guy who's been doing work there for a number of years, what he thinks we should do?
the only thing that is obvious to me at this point is your money can go to better places then invisible children as they accomplished their goals, beyond that i only have ideals on what should happen and possibilities of how it would play out with no real basis on the larger picture of the situation.
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yo, jham ! what do you think is the best way forward here?
i want your experiences and thoughts on the matter, no matter!
theizzardking
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trolling done right
theizzardking
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in the fsr thread but still kind of chuckling at this one.
jham
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I think it's amusing how Americans claim that the US government and "high powers" exhibit too much control, and more control, freedom, and opportunity needs to be given to the people. Yet, when it comes to helping other countries, everyone is all for supporting the government. It's laughable.
Kony2012 promotes supporting the Ugandan military, sending over US troops, etc. military action through governments. Sure, let's stick our military's neck out by supporting the UPDF, a military who I've had personal checkpoint encounters with where they ask for money before they let me pass, and making sure I see their AK47. I've met villagers who share stories of UPDF members looting, accepting bribes, vandalizing, etc. Yeah, let's send resources to those guys.
I work with the government only when I have to. I respect them by letting them know we're there, what we are doing, and letting them know we want to accomplish growth in a culturally relevant, non-intrusive way. But change in Africa comes from the bottom up. The kids in Africa today will lead it tomorrow. The locals are the ones suffering, so our aid goes to and through them.
Handouts are a crutch, and create dependency. Throwing money at Africa has gotten them nowhere. Giving kids a proper education is a great start, and happens to be what we do. Other friends of ours run micro finance programs. They teach a skill, give the tools, and a one-year stipend to help them get off the ground. Then, that's it. You push them out of the nest. And believe it or not, they do just fine.
Contrary to popular belief, the lay people of Africa want help, not handouts. They are tired of being robbed of respect - men who could provide for their families with some training are stripped of pride through westerners coming in and offering to take their kids into an orphanage since their parents can't take care of them. Their cry isn't "kill the man who did us wrong!". A quote from a Ugandan friend and professor sums it up:
"The solution to our problem is not to capture Kony but to help us continue in this process of healing, the thought of capturing Kony arouses more anger, more pain and feelings of revenge... Justice is not only going to happen when our oppressor is captured and taken to The Hague, there are many leaders in Uganda who have done far worse atrocities and qualify as well to go to the Hague even before Kony but no one seems to say anything about them. Justice is going to happen if we the oppressed are restored and given living hope. This hope is what the oppressor took; taking the life of the oppressor does not bring back any hope."
But hey, we westerners know best, right? Forget the people whose lives are in ruins, grab your pitchfork!
BrianSD_42
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I am surprised no one mentioned the movie Blood Diamond.
