Land Cruiser 2022

[JSparky]

Toyota should do to the 70-series what Merced’s did do to the new G.. and bring it stateside.

 

[m0ondogy]

The build quality of a 100/200 is far greater than that of our 4R's.

Used 200's don't last more than a few days on the market here. New ones - local dealers sell everyone they get.

Maybe its just the Nashville area but I see a lot of LC's daily.

If they do follow through with the 5 seater and more simple trim levels (think SR5) - I'm a buyer 100% as long as its in the $45-55k range as some have predicted. There is too much "off road" pressure at the moment on the market for Toyota to ignore the demand. The Bronco has created lots of waves which will drive competition for years. We should all be excited Ford did it for that point alone.

Move the luxury to Lexus and let the masses have a "buy-able" and capable Land Cruiser. I wanted a 100 series terribly, but was not going to pay $25-30k for a 13 year old vehicle at best with 150k on it. So TRDP it was.

If Toyota does it - I'm sure a lot of us would be buyers.

Im sure they are built better, but they just are not selling in the states.

They are struggling to get to 4,000 sold in a year for a decade now. The last time they broke the 10,000 mark was 20 years ago.

At the same time, they sold over 40k of them in Aus. Clearly the US market for them isnt there.

 

[bamma]

I was lucky enough for work to give me a J70 in Sout Africa for the few months I was there. Ive been counting they days down to 25 years. Im guessing there will be a mini J70 flood in the US in 2025.

The parts while more work, are out there. I sold my 110 Defender for lack of parts. I fully expect me to feel the same way once I pick up a J70, but it will be my lazy attitude and not the market. That car is still going in production on year 21.

I look at long term. FJ40 parts have dried up. I plan to keep rigs long term. I'd love a 70 series, but the FJ62 keeps me content. Eventually it will get an engine upgrade and/or a H55F

 

[bamma]

Agreed. I prefer the V8 as well. I hope Toyota will not follow the rest of the manufacturer and downgrade and get rid of the V8. I hope they would still have an option. I Don't believe in Turbo or supercharge. They put more strain on the engine and shorten its life. More things to go wrong. etc...

Rumor is the Land Cruiser will only be TT V6. Evidently the plush Lexus will have a V8 option, and the Tundra may as well.

Since the Land Cruiser and Tundra are getting the same platform, I'm not sure I'll love the next iteration of LC. We will see. Hopefully it will still be built exclusively in Japan. A feature that I require for new car purchases.

 

[pacho]

what i have read so far about the 2022 land cruiser in australian and japanese magazines is that it will be a 5 seater, no-frills, back to off-road basics and cheaper than the current plush land cruiser. this seems to indicate a land cruiser that is going back to its roots and will be a competitor of the Bronco. if this turns out to be the case, the land cruiser 2022 will be a more expensive larger version of the FJ cruiser(but cheaper than the current land cruiser since it will be no-frills) and if the 4runner will retain its "luxury" trappings, it might become the cheaper replacement of the current plush land cruiser.

 

[Jsch222]

The build quality of a 100/200 is far greater than that of our 4R's.

Used 200's don't last more than a few days on the market here. New ones - local dealers sell everyone they get.

Maybe its just the Nashville area but I see a lot of LC's daily.

If they do follow through with the 5 seater and more simple trim levels (think SR5) - I'm a buyer 100% as long as its in the $45-55k range as some have predicted. There is too much "off road" pressure at the moment on the market for Toyota to ignore the demand. The Bronco has created lots of waves which will drive competition for years. We should all be excited Ford did it for that point alone.

Move the luxury to Lexus and let the masses have a "buy-able" and capable Land Cruiser. I wanted a 100 series terribly, but was not going to pay $25-30k for a 13 year old vehicle at best with 150k on it. So TRDP it was.

If Toyota does it - I'm sure a lot of us would be buyers.

It's definitely a Nashville thing. When I had my 2016 LC in St Louis, i RARELY saw another one in my two years of ownership. Usually they were from out of state. We ended up buying our LX from a Nashville dealer. Lots more inventory down in your area.

Both vehicles struggle for sales. I wanted to get a newer model before the V8 was eliminated. There is something to be said for the traditional bulletproof V8.

 

[Nick B]

Besides the markings just what is the difference between a Lexus LX and a
Toyota LC ?

 

[RichinRidgewood]

It seems like there is a lot of confusion at the top of Toyota's SUV offerings


4Runner
-$42k
-V6 5 spd
-BOF
-Ind. front, Solide rear

Sequoia
- $65k (Limited 4wd JBL)
- BOF
-Independent front and rear
-v8 6spd

Land Cruiser
-$85k
-Unitized body on ladder frame (edited)
-Solid axle rear, ind. front
-v8 8 spd


I could easily see them stop selling the Land Cruiser and put a V8 in something like a TRD 4Runner with a different front and rear facia and call it "4Runner Land Cruiser Edition" or just a "Land Cruiser"

But since they are killing off their V8's who knows.

 

[Jsch222]

Besides the markings just what is the difference between a Lexus LX and a
Toyota LC ?

The most simplistic way to describe it would be the LC is very truck like in it's ride vs a polished luxury ride.

Most the parts of the same mechanically. The inside is a completely different animal. Improved seats/leather, Mark Levison sound system is amazing, Heads up display.

The biggest difference mechanically to me is the hydraulic suspension - it's an amazing system that can lower/raise the vehicle.

In my situation we were looking to get a slightly newer model and the LX was must more available and the same price as the LC. We bought a 2 year old LX with 10,000 miles on it.

Both are truly amazing vehicles that are built for a 25 year life. It comes down to preference on which is better.

 

[WrenchTech]

It is too bad that they were never able to fix the horrible fuel mileage problem by offering a state of the art diesel in the north American market. I guess they are available in other markets, but we can’t have them because we are the land of the free and the home of the brave. President Trump could fix that with the stroke of his pen and gain a couple extra votes. For myself, the latest American half-ton pick up trucks with their new, smaller diesel engines, that get 30 miles per gallon on the highway, are looking pretty attractive.

 

[jp.vegas]

It seems like there is a lot of confusion at the top of Toyota's SUV offerings


Land Cruiser
-$85k
-Unibody (which everybody seems hate in this forum)
-Solid axle rear, ind. front
-v8 8 spd

There definitely exists some confusion here as the LC200 is most definitely NOT a unibody.

 

[Jsch222]

It is too bad that they were never able to fix the horrible fuel mileage problem by offering a state of the art diesel in the north American market. I guess they are available in other markets, but we can’t have them because we are the land of the free and the home of the brave. President Trump could fix that with the stroke of his pen and gain a couple extra votes. For myself, the latest American half-ton pick up trucks with their new, smaller diesel engines, that get 30 miles per gallon on the highway, are looking pretty attractive.

What car do you think will be on the road in 20 years? A new ford or chevy or a Land Cruiser/LX?

I think they should have brought the diesel as an option; however, i doubt people would pay the premium for it and the additional maintenance. I get 18-20 mpg on the hwy in my LX and just live with it.

 

[TOYO74]

I have a Land Cruiser as well. 81 FJ40

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VERY nice! Makes me miss my '75 FJ40!

 

[RichinRidgewood]

There definitely exists some confusion here as the LC200 is most definitely NOT a unibody.

My mistake. I only read "unitized body". I don't know why they didn't just say "Body on Frame" Like they did in the Sequoia. ?!

 

[thennen]

My mistake. I only read "unitized body". I don't know why they didn't just say "Body on Frame" Like they did in the Sequoia. ?!

"Unitized body is the most commonly used frame in modern cars. It is a self supporting body built up as a single unit. It is built of hollow sheet steel parts onto which the other body panels such as the cross members, roof frame, side members, etc. are welded with the help of robots."

So perhaps it's the best of both worlds - "unibody" bolted to a ladder frame. Or maybe all the B-O-F vehicles are like this and I'm just uneducated?

 

[jp.vegas]

My mistake. I only read "unitized body". I don't know why they didn't just say "Body on Frame" Like they did in the Sequoia. ?!

Marketing no doubt, but yeah. it's BOF like the rest of their truck lineup.

 

[cb1111]

"Unitized body is the most commonly used frame in modern cars. It is a self supporting body built up as a single unit. It is built of hollow sheet steel parts onto which the other body panels such as the cross members, roof frame, side members, etc. are welded with the help of robots."

So perhaps it's the best of both worlds - "unibody" bolted to a ladder frame. Or maybe all the B-O-F vehicles are like this and I'm just uneducated?

I think every modern BOF has a "unitized" body - meaning that can unbolt the body from the frame in (mostly) one piece. This has nothing to do with unibody (or the unibomber)

 

[cb1111]

The most simplistic way to describe it would be the LC is very truck like in it's ride vs a polished luxury ride.

Most the parts of the same mechanically. The inside is a completely different animal. Improved seats/leather, Mark Levison sound system is amazing, Heads up display.

The biggest difference mechanically to me is the hydraulic suspension - it's an amazing system that can lower/raise the vehicle.

In my situation we were looking to get a slightly newer model and the LX was must more available and the same price as the LC. We bought a 2 year old LX with 10,000 miles on it.

Both are truly amazing vehicles that are built for a 25 year life. It comes down to preference on which is better.

Although, if driven identically side by side, the LC should last longer because it has fewer electrics to fail.

 

[jp.vegas]

Although, if driven identically side by side, the LC should last longer because it has fewer electrics to fail.

Every car with air suspension ends up with failures of that expensive system. Mercedes, Land Rover etc. all die at the hands of that tech.

Ever see a Land Rover stranded offroad when the air suspension collapses? It’s not pretty.

 

[Jetboy]

Every car with air suspension ends up with failures of that expensive system. Mercedes, Land Rover etc. all die at the hands of that tech.

Ever see a Land Rover stranded offroad when the air suspension collapses? It’s not pretty.

That's the main reason I haven't wanted to buy an LX. The system is great. But it scares the hell out of me to consider owning a high mile one.

OTOH the concept and execution is very good. I've blown seals out in 2 of my 4 fox shocks so far with my 5th gen. But not the KDSS cylinders. So possibly unfounded fear? Not sure.