Land Cruiser series 70 would you?

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This thread is to introduce realities of what it would take for them to be sold here.

Going off the Australian site as is without considering emissions and required safety the wagon (keeping it 4runner comparable) sells around $50k USD. That's a lot when you consider how basic these are.

What does it compare with that's already being sold here?

What requirements does it meet and what doesn't it meet?

Advantages and disadvantages of the platform?


I think it could develop a large loyal following quickly with the car camping craze known as overland as well as bring lots of brand marketing to enhance Toyota's reliability image.
 
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Like the idea of it. Might compete against other Toyota products. Also count on a high price for no reason.
 
Absolutely not.

That's a pricey farm/mining vehicle supposed to outlive you. You could use it if you are regular in the Outback, yes, but it would serve zero purpose in the lower 48.

Here the % between paved and unpaved is reversed, so how many would want to put up with that obsolete truck for 50+K just because it should easily last 25 years? How many want to drive the same vehicle for 25 years?

I don't think it is made in Japan anymore either.
 
Commercial sales to government and agriculture could be another reason to bring it.

For many this vehicle is a platform so initial cost isn't really what a build will end up costing.

Earth roamer should make an RV model...
 
I for one would be head over heels if they were to offer an HDJ70 in North America. I've even considered trying to import one from oceania or South America under the 25+ year import exemption (but it's never been enough of an inkling to pursue with any real vigor). I'm a little different than most North American buyers though. I try to buy vehicles with as few options as possible because I want fewer things to break. No sunroof, no problem. Broken sunroof, BIG problem.

I don't think Toyota will ever bring the 70 series over though, for the same reason the won't bring the cheaper (yet far superior to the Tacoma) Hilux. They won't do it because it wont add market share. Anyone that wants a 70 or a Hilux is going to buy a Tacoma, Tundra, 4runner, or Land Cruiser instead. I can't imagine anyone that WANTS a 70 or a Hilux but chooses a Ford or a Jeep instead of the comparable Toyota, or for that matter any Jeep owners that would hastily move to a 70 were one to be offered. If you add the 70 or Hilux to your model line-up but don't increase market share, you're not really doing yourself any favors.

The idea of buying a brand new HDJ70 makes me giddy. Maybe not for $50K, but in the same ball park as a 4runner. Fleet data estimates a 300,000 mile service life before maintenance starts to outpace replacement cost. 15,000 mile service intervals on the diesels. Imagine, even if you get a 60 month loan, by the time you paid it off you'll be on your fifth oil change and can expect another 15 YEARS before you have to start looking at serious repairs (assuming 15K miles per year). I had an 80 series (which is a space station of complexity next to a 70) and it's a strange and marvelous feeling to be in a vehicle that is nearly unkillable.

I for one... DO want.

What does it compare with that's already being sold here?
As stated earlier it's a platform vehicle similar to a Ford Transit van or Pickup truck though it shares more in common with the old Econoline vans in that it doubles a a utility vehicle and people mover. That said, it's got off-road prowess on par with, well... Land Cruisers.

What requirements does it meet and what doesn't it meet?
That's complicated, but the short answer is emissions and crash testing. Those two things alone cost millions to bring a car into the North American market. The longer answer is, well... everything. Amber turn signals or red, wing mirror size and placement, head light lumen etc. Different markets, different laws, and millions to engineer solutions for each market.


Advantages and disadvantages of the platform?
Disadvantages? I don't understand the question. I mean I wouldn't take it to the Nurburgring. It kinda sucks at that but otherwise...

...actually I would take it to the track. I would just use it to tow a faster car.:whistle:
 
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I have zero use for one, the platform is so old that crash testing will be atrocious, it is unrefined as hell, and it is quite pricey.

That said, those are all the reasons I want it. It's not a vehicle I'd sell. Keep dreaming though, this ain't coming to a Toyota dealer near you.
 
50k can buy you a lot. If you are trying to stay in the era and classics it would definitely be worthy of that price. I think comparable would be a Land Rover Defender.
 
50k can buy you a lot. If you are trying to stay in the era and classics it would definitely be worthy of that price. I think comparable would be a Land Rover Defender.

This. The Defender gets all the attention because LR was so much better at marketing them. But in reality they were largely replaced by Toyotas by the 70s. A Defender compared to a 70 is almost a nightmare. Quality control of old England. But that's where the LR character comes from to a large extent.
 
This. The Defender gets all the attention because LR was so much better at marketing them. But in reality they were largely replaced by Toyotas by the 70s. A Defender compared to a 70 is almost a nightmare. Quality control of old England. But that's where the LR character comes from to a large extent.

So true the old English quality is what gives it character. If I had the means, money, and space, I would have both.
 
So true the old English quality is what gives it character. If I had the means, money, and space, I would have both.

I place the LC on top simply because of how the Japanese build things, but the flaw that come with that old English quality have this charm that is hard to attain from perfection. If you treat it as a way to explain why the LRs are so crap(and I'm not disputing that), you'll never understand the diehards. Agreed, I'd have both.
 
After seeing one in person I'd say absolutely yes!!! Would it be my daily, probably not. But it would absolutely be my dedicated off-road rig and I'd still DD quite a bit.
 

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For those not sure what you’re talking about, here is the link: Range | LandCruiser 70 | Toyota Australia

I like it a lot! The 4.5L Diesel engine with 180L in the tank would be my choice for the long lonely dirt roads of Maritime Canada. With the advertised 10.7L/100km, you get 1600km range on one tank. It's the same length as the 4Runner (480cm), that's good too. The surprising part of the engine specs is that this large Diesel engine only produces 430 nM of torque. That's only 15% more than the 4Runner.

The specs also advertise 800kg of payload. I like that a lot, too. The 4Runner has 700kg.

It's 30% more expensive than the 4Runner TRD Off-Road, and that's an affordable premium.

What is known about the dependability of that Diesel? Does Australia have those Diesel-killing "limp mode" requirements when emissions aren't up to snuff?
 
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Hmm i've owned two in the past (76 and 79 series, abroad obviously) and while i do love them, they are a bit basic and mechanically old school.

I mean they are great as long as you have quite a big budget to change suspension, bullbars etc etc. Otherwise it is too uncomfortable for everyday use. It's a work horse 100%.

The 4runner is much more refined.... But at the end of the day, the 70 series is a Land Cruiser and that is all I can say :D
 
I'd buy one.
For a few months now I've been having the serious wants for a new Suzuki Jimny.
That of course will never be sold here.
 

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