Lease numbers on 2012 Trail

BassMiesterNJ

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Date 3/21/2012:

48 month lease quote
12000 miles per year
NJ sales tax 7%
$0 down
MSRP = 38583.00
Standard money factor of .00220
Residual $16084

$598.35 per month

Anyone have numbers to compare ?

I just started looking at replacing my 2007 4runner.
 
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Date 3/21/2012:

48 month lease quote
12000 miles per year
NJ sales tax 7%
$0 down
MSRP = 38583.00
Standard money factor of .00220
Residual $16084

$598.35 per month

Anyone have numbers to compare ?

I just started looking at replacing my 2007 4runner.

I'd be willing to bet it'll be worth significantly more than that residual at the end of 48 months. You'd pay more than 16k currently for a 4-year old 4th gen runner with 85K miles, let along sub-50K. Why not finance?
 
I financed briefly when I purchased, and based it on a term of 60 months....my payment was a little over $700 a month...

I would by the thing, based on that number...
 
Wow, why replace your 07 Runner??

Those numbers are insane..

$2700 sales tax
$28,700 in payments over 48 months

$31,400 in total cost over 4 years

No wonder the residual is $16K when complete.. If you buy like you say you might, you'd end up paying $47,500 for a Runner :jaw drop:

IMHO. If you can't pay cash, you can't afford it.

What ever you decide, good luck..


Date 3/21/2012:

48 month lease quote
12000 miles per year
NJ sales tax 7%
$0 down
MSRP = 38583.00
Standard money factor of .00220
Residual $16084

$598.35 per month

Anyone have numbers to compare ?

I just started looking at replacing my 2007 4runner.
 
Doesn't make sense to me. I financed for 60 months, put $1500 down, same sales tax rate, MSRP was like $42K, and my payment is just over $700.

After 48 months, I will owe $8500 on a vehicle worth about $19K.

After 48 months, you will turn in the vehicle and have spent $5,450 less over the term. I am over 5 grand ahead, and not even counting KDSS, JBL, NAV, and other options that the one you are looking at doesn't have at the MSRP listed.
 
Yeah these lease numbers are high, I know that. I'm at the early stages of probing dealers for their best number.

I was hoping to get some real world numbers here to see how out of whack that quote is.

$450 to $475 per month, I'd consider leasing a Trail.

Otherwise, I may have to lower my sights to Jeep Laredo E or just keep the 07' 4runner for a while longer.
 
Leasing isn't for everyone

Those numbers do seem a little on the high side. Keep working on them, and they'll come down a little. Most people don't really understand how leases work, so they immediately discourage you from doing it.

Just like purchasing, you CAN negotiate the purchase price in a lease. The lower the purchase price, the lower your payments.

And anyone who turns a car in at the end of a lease without first doing some research is just throwing money out the window. Your residual is $16084 on a truck that will probably be worth close to $24000. THIS is why leasing a vehicle like a 4Runner that holds its value can make some sense. Try getting those numbers leasing a Ford. At the end of your lease, you could potentially turn around and sell that truck and walk away with $8K in your pocket, which means you would be ($8000-$5450) $2550 ahead of the guy who financed it instead. He's got a 4 year old 4Runner that's not getting any younger, and you're off to lease another brand new one, using the money you just made to supplement your payment to bring it further down $166 ($8000/48 mo). Now you're paying a little over $400 for a brand new 4R and he's still paying a little over $700 on a 4 year old truck.

Bottom line, if you are planning to keep a truck for 10+ years, follow Dave Ramsey's advice and don't lease. However, if you're like the rest of us, and hate pouring money into an aging vehicle that's losing value progressively as it ages, leasing could be a sensible option. Sure, you might always have a payment. But it'll be substantially less than the guy who financed the same vehicle, and you'll be able to get a new truck every few years.

Just my $.02. Sorry for rambling.
 
Your residual is $16084 on a truck that will probably be worth close to $24000. THIS is why leasing a vehicle like a 4Runner that holds its value can make some sense. Try getting those numbers leasing a Ford. At the end of your lease, you could potentially turn around and sell that truck and walk away with $8K in your pocket, which means you would be ($8000-$5450) $2550 ahead of the guy who financed it instead. He's got a 4 year old 4Runner that's not getting any younger, and you're off to lease another brand new one, using the money you just made to supplement your payment to bring it further down $166 ($8000/48 mo). Now you're paying a little over $400 for a brand new 4R and he's still paying a little over $700 on a 4 year old truck.
If you assume that his vehicle that MSRPs at 38K is worth 24K at the end of 48 months, then my 42K MSRP will be worth more towards 30K (I was being pessimistic on residual value, I think you are being overly optimistic), and that $2550 more than disappears. Consumer vehicle leases very rarely make financial sense unless you are writing them off as a business expense.
 
Maybe I should have been more clear.

I am not looking for Lease vs Buy advice. I have leased before and it works for me. If I decide to finance, I'll probably look at 2 year old vehicles.

That said, I'm gathering preliminary Lease information to determine if a Trail lease can be had for my target of $425 to $475 per month payment.

If someone currently leasing a 5th gen 4runner could post some numbers I'd appreciate it.
 
If you assume that his vehicle that MSRPs at 38K is worth 24K at the end of 48 months, then my 42K MSRP will be worth more towards 30K (I was being pessimistic on residual value, I think you are being overly optimistic), and that $2550 more than disappears. Consumer vehicle leases very rarely make financial sense unless you are writing them off as a business expense.

Cars don't depreciate proportionally like that. If you want the best resale down the road, you're better off sticking with a base model. All those goodies you pay for in a limited model will depreciate much more quickly than the base value of the car. Toyota, in particular, sets their residuals based on the base value of the car. Any "options" are not considered when they determine the residual at the end of a lease. So your $42 MSRP will not hold it's value as well as a lesser model. I looked up a KBB value on a 4 year old 4Runner Sport (equivalent to today's Trail) with 48K miles on it. Value was around $24K. Those are real world numbers, not something I made up.

Sorry, I didn't mean to turn this thread into a lease vs. buy discussion. No, you are right, leasing almost never makes sense from a financial aspect, but neither does buying a brand new car and taking that huge depreciation loss when you drive it off the lot. If you want to make sense, I guess buying a 2 year old car with low miles is the way to go. I just prefer new cars often. It's more of a personal choice.

Back to the OP's question. Google 4Runner lease questions. There are some really good forums out there dedicated to leasing. Also, look up a lease calculator and put those numbers in to see if they jive with what your dealer is quoting. Often times, they insert extra fees to jack that payment up. It's gives them wiggle room. I'd just start by telling them what you are willing to pay for a lease and see what happens. Unfortunately, I don't think dealers have any problems selling 4Runners, so they're less likely to work with you on a price. But it never hurts to ask. If they won't maybe another dealer will. Good luck.
 
Nobody stated the obvious, unless you write off the lease for your business why lease not at those rates?

Most important my Trail had " paint patina" 2 weeks after I bought from using it as intended offroad. Unless you plan on keeping it on pavement and then why get a trail, they will not be happy when you turn it in with some paint patina.

Good luck regardless.
 
Hello all! Long time lurker but finally posting. Coming from a 2006 Tundra so I am familiar with Toyota SUVs and trucks. Sorry to revive an old thread, but I'd rather do so than create another one.

Long story short, I'm just about ready to get into a TE as I am moving to RI for my duty station there (Newport). Being from CA all my life, I have no experience with the Northeast and the salt on the roads in RI. As such, I'd rather lease a TE to be able to not worry about the salt on the undercarriage so much after 36 months.

Am I a tad paranoid by not wanting to purchase at this time? I have no problem purchasing and would rather do so, but I also don't want to take a 3 year old, salt/rust laden 4R to my next duty station in 3 years, hopefully in rust free regions.

Any thoughts?
 

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