Lift advise for future bumpers

[Kmurt]

First off, please don't show me absalom's cookie cutter lift thread or the 3rd gen lift thread. I've read them but they won't answer MY specific questions.

I'm getting ready to order a lift because everything is on sale for black friday. My 01 4runner is still on all original suspension. I would like to give it a mild lift (2.5-3 inches). Will most likely be staying with 265/75/16 tire size. I also plan on running front and rear bumpers in the future. Front will either be ARB or Shrockworks and rear will be 4xinnovations with tire swing out (also considering the Savage rear bumper but they are not out yet.) I would like to keep a little rear rake if possible and I don't want it to have any sag. This will be a DD and occasional offroading (for now) and will have a dirtbike on the hitch in the future.

I've been looking at OME 883+891 coils with Bilstein shocks. Not sure if this setup will work for me, but from reading it looks like that should work. I don't know which Bilstein shocks to run with this setup also (I think either Tacoma or Tundras?)

Also with a mild lift, would I need extended brake lines, panhard drop, longer bump stops, etc. Sorry I'm new to suspension related stuff guys.

Please chime in with any advise, experience, and part number's so I can order during all these sales! Thanks!

 

[snivilous]

My Tundra + Eibach setup felt really good with a plate bumper and winch and skid package, so food for thought.

In the rear you'll want longer brake lines, probably a panhard drop vs an adjustable bar, you only need bump stop extensions/longer ones if you start rubbing when you flex and don't want to trim the wheel well. With 265s I would skip the bump stops until you get on the trail and see if you rub at full flex. Might want to look into longer sway bar links/disconnects too, assuming you still want to run a sway bar.

 

[D Farms]

ill chime in here too, things you need to do are the extended brake lines. I would also recommend redoing all of your suspension bushings. having worn out bushings and putting a nice set of shocks and springs is like doing the tundra brake upgrade and not bleeding the brakes.

 

[Kmurt]

Thanks for the extra info guys. But I still need advise on what to order to achieve my desired lift.

Here is a list that I made so far. Can anyone tell me if this will even work together as well as achieve my 2.5-3inch lift with some rake? And eventually F+R bumpers?

3" Lift Kit with front and rear OME coils (883+891)(YES, diff drop)

Bilstein 5100 Height Adjustable Front Shock Pair (D558)

Bilstein 5100 4runner Rear Shock Set for 1996 - 2002 4Runner

 

[AZBub]

I think most would recommend you skip the d558 Tacoma bilsteins and get the tundra ones.

 

[Kmurt]

I think most would recommend you skip the d558 Tacoma bilsteins and get the tundra ones.

So then these instead for the front? Bilstein 5100 Height Adjustable Front Strut Set for 99-06 Tundra

How does everything else look guys?

 

[Bijan]

. I would like to give it a mild lift (2.5-3 inches).

Will most likely be staying with 265/75/16 tire size.

I also plan on running front and rear bumpers in the future. Front will either be ARB or Shrockworks and rear will be 4xinnovations with tire swing out (also considering the Savage rear bumper but they are not out yet.) I would like to keep a little rear rake if possible and I don't want it to have any sag. This will be a DD and occasional offroading (for now) and will have a dirtbike on the hitch in the future.

I've been looking at OME 883+891 coils with Bilstein shocks. Not sure if this setup will work for me, but from reading it looks like that should work. I don't know which Bilstein shocks to run with this setup also (I think either Tacoma or Tundras?)

Also with a mild lift, would I need extended brake lines, panhard drop, longer bump stops, etc. Sorry I'm new to suspension related stuff guys.

Please chime in with any advise, experience, and part number's so I can order during all these sales! Thanks!

If you rise up 2.5"-3" those small tires will look funny in my opinion.
I'm pretty certain I have read that OME springs start to sag over time. Anyone else?

Differential drop, panhard drop (or bar if you have the budget), extended front and rear brake lines, extended parking brake piece, front and rear sway bar bushings, steering rack bushings, extended sway bar end links are all the accessories to make it a complete worry free lift that I know of.

If you plan on wheeling at all, I highly suggest ToyTec superflex rear coils. Super smooth on roads/highways + extra tough on trails.

I have the ToyTec BOSS setup w/ Fox 2.0 rear shocks, superflex coils - planning on full armor + skid plates.

Many people will tell you to do it once and do it right.

 

[Dephcon]

I pretty much built the front of my truck using the Toytec front adjustable coilover kit with Bilstein 5100s and rear from the Sonoran Steel kit, but used rear Bilsteins instead of the Tokico shocks. I got the extended front and rear brake lines from Wheelers Offroad along with a Toytec diff drop kit. If your not on a super tight budget and if you haven't already, think about doing the lower ball joints, outer tierod ends and definately think about replacing the upper and lower control arm bushings. I didn't replace the bushings and have an annoying squeak now. I also ran without the swaybars for a while and onroad handling was poop. I just got a replacement set of FRONT swaybar links and installed them in the rear.

I haven't done a panhard drop or changed the stock panhard bar. Its something thats on my list and from everything I have heard, its a change that isn't really noticable. I could be wrong since I can't speak from experience.

I do believe you should most likely just buy a pre-packaged kit. Your going to get everything you need and what you might save on piecing it together yourself doesn't really amount to much, maybe a case of beer. Also plan on little things that need to be replaced while installing the kit. I had to replace the steel lines since the joints to the stock rubber ones where not coming apart. Lots of PB Blaster was used along with a grinder to get rear shocks out.

Purchasing the lift kit is just the tip of the iceberg. Plan your emergency part fund when you actually do the install.

 

[Kmurt]

If you rise up 2.5"-3" those small tires will look funny in my opinion.
I'm pretty certain I have read that OME springs start to sag over time. Anyone else?

Differential drop, panhard drop (or bar if you have the budget), extended front and rear brake lines, extended parking brake piece, front and rear sway bar bushings, steering rack bushings, extended sway bar end links are all the accessories to make it a complete worry free lift that I know of.

If you plan on wheeling at all, I highly suggest ToyTec superflex rear coils. Super smooth on roads/highways + extra tough on trails.

I have the ToyTec BOSS setup w/ Fox 2.0 rear shocks, superflex coils - planning on full armor + skid plates.

Many people will tell you to do it once and do it right.

Go any pics of your setup?

I would feel a lot better buying a package kit that comes with almost everything. I feel running a 265 tire size would be easier on suspension compenents and what not compared to a 285 tire. If someone could talk me into getting 285 tires to run on a daily driver and occasional offroader I would buy them. 255/85 might be too skinny for my taste.

I pretty much built the front of my truck using the Toytec front adjustable coilover kit with Bilstein 5100s and rear from the Sonoran Steel kit, but used rear Bilsteins instead of the Tokico shocks. I got the extended front and rear brake lines from Wheelers Offroad along with a Toytec diff drop kit. If your not on a super tight budget and if you haven't already, think about doing the lower ball joints, outer tierod ends and definately think about replacing the upper and lower control arm bushings. I didn't replace the bushings and have an annoying squeak now. I also ran without the swaybars for a while and onroad handling was poop. I just got a replacement set of FRONT swaybar links and installed them in the rear.

I haven't done a panhard drop or changed the stock panhard bar. Its something thats on my list and from everything I have heard, its a change that isn't really noticable. I could be wrong since I can't speak from experience.

I do believe you should most likely just buy a pre-packaged kit. Your going to get everything you need and what you might save on piecing it together yourself doesn't really amount to much, maybe a case of beer. Also plan on little things that need to be replaced while installing the kit. I had to replace the steel lines since the joints to the stock rubber ones where not coming apart. Lots of PB Blaster was used along with a grinder to get rear shocks out.

Purchasing the lift kit is just the tip of the iceberg. Plan your emergency part fund when you actually do the install.

Maintenance items are definitely on my list.

 

[Dephcon]

Go any pics of your setup?

I feel running a 265 tire size would be easier on suspension compenents and what not compared to a 285 tire.

I run a 265/70 R17 right now (Bridgestone Duelers that came with the rims). It actually looks like it fits quite nice, but I think that might be due to the look of the Trail Edition rims.

 

[ralatkins]

I think most would recommend you skip the d558 Tacoma bilsteins and get the tundra ones.

not to highjack the thread but why is this?

 

[jman11788]

If you rise up 2.5"-3" those small tires will look funny in my opinion.

Don't think 32's look funny with a 3" suspension lift. Maybe a little bias though haha. However 33's will look better.

OP. It's not a requirement to run extended brake lines or panhard drop. I'm lifted 3.5" in the rear with stock lines and just fine. Some people may disagree here but there is plenty of slack back there even when flexing

 

[Scramble]

Everything you need is right here in this kit.

1996-2002 - System 1.2 - $1,295.00 : Sonoran Steel, Sonoran Steel Custom Metal Fabrication L.L.C. Custom Toyota Truck Parts

I never started one thread when I put my lift together, everything is answered in searching other threads. The best thing about reading older threads is that you get other peoples opinions on what they are running & what they like, don't like & what they would have done differently.

 

[AZBub]

So then these instead for the front? Bilstein 5100 Height Adjustable Front Strut Set for 99-06 Tundra



How does everything else look guys?

I think your set up is good. I think you know more than any of us what you intend to do with your rig. I also think the 265/75r16 is a good choice. Looks like you already have a plan for the wear parts replacements. I say do it. Time for a build thread.

The Sonoran Steel System 1.2 is nice but you can build it up yourself for MUCH cheaper.

If you decide to go bigger later no big deal. I don't think too many people settle with their suspension from following build threads and such anyways.

 

[Unner]

I've got Toytec Boss coilovers, front diff drop, new front SuperBump bumpstops, new LC coils, new LC shocks, extended rear lines, "junkyard" extended bumpstops, and "custom" extended sway bar end links waiting to go on my truck. I think it's better than the SS kit because I can adjust the front suspension on the truck, I got bump stops for the front as well, and extended sway bar end links front and rear. I also don't have to mess around with assembling a new strut and using a spring compressor. Right now I'm about $1300 into everything and the SS kit would have cost $1450 shipped to me. The only think I don't have that their's comes with is the Panhard bar. I'll decide if I need that after I get the lift on.

Point is you can save money and get a better set up if you piece it together.

I'm running 255/75/17's right now. They're taller than a 265/75/16 or 265/70/17 but a tad narrower. I think they'll look good with my lift on, but when I get my next set of tires I may jump up to a 255/80/17 or even a 34x10.5r17. I really like and prefer the skinny tire look. Plus less weight, better MPG, better traction in most cases and less wear and tear on suspension components.

 

[BrandonF]

I have an ARB front bumper and 4xinnovations rear (plus some other weight) and my Tundra bilstein 5100 front and LC coil rear lift works really well. The flex, ride quality, and height are perfect. Compared to stock height, its lifted 2.5" up front and 4" in the rear. Rake makes sense

 

[Kmurt]

I was trying to build the lift based on the tire size (265) and the weight of front and rear bumpers. I didn't want the tires to look too small and I didn't want the suspension sagging with the weight of the bumpers. If I knew I was definitely going with 285 tires, I wouldn't even had to start this thread. I would've went with the sonoran steel 1.2 in a heartbeat.

It doesn't look like many guys on here run 265 size tires with their lifts except for a handful. Everyone seems to run 285s or 255s. And I couldn't find a thread to see how many people daily drive their lifted 4runner with 285s.

I still appreciate everyone's opinions. I can't even think straight from reading all the suspension threads I've read.

 

[ralatkins]

I was trying to build the lift based on the tire size (265) and the weight of front and rear bumpers. I didn't want the tires to look too small and I didn't want the suspension sagging with the weight of the bumpers. If I knew I was definitely going with 285 tires, I wouldn't even had to start this thread. I would've went with the sonoran steel 1.2 in a heartbeat.

It doesn't look like many guys on here run 265 size tires with their lifts except for a handful. Everyone seems to run 285s or 255s. And I couldn't find a thread to see how many people daily drive their lifted 4runner with 285s.

I still appreciate everyone's opinions. I can't even think straight from reading all the suspension threads I've read.

Call Dan at Wheelers Off Road and speak with him. I did, because I want the same thing as you, and just this morning the big brown truck delivered me this: Tacoma 5100's for the front with OME 881 springs, 5100's for the rear with OME 891 springs and a diff drop. I'll start putting it on next week, but I don't off road too much and I wanted to be able to drive the truck everyday and run the 265 tires i already have.

 

[Kmurt]

Call Dan at Wheelers Off Road and speak with him. I did, because I want the same thing as you, and just this morning the big brown truck delivered me this: Tacoma 5100's for the front with OME 881 springs, 5100's for the rear with OME 891 springs and a diff drop. I'll start putting it on next week, but I don't off road too much and I wanted to be able to drive the truck everyday and run the 265 tires i already have.

Your setup is pretty much what I was looking at. I wonder what the difference is between the Tundras 5100s and the Tacoma 5100s. Would love to see pics of your finished setup.

This is my daily driver and I don't hardcore rock crawl or anything like that, but I would like it to be capable offroad when the time comes.

 

[jman11788]

Your setup is pretty much what I was looking at. I wonder what the difference is between the Tundras 5100s and the Tacoma 5100s. Would love to see pics of your finished setup.

This is my daily driver and I don't hardcore rock crawl or anything like that, but I would like it to be capable offroad when the time comes.

Having expericed with the tacoma and tundra billies I assure you the tundras are better. Tacomos are too soft and mushy IMO