Mall crawler questions

yotallycrazy

yotallycrazy

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So This is my dilemma! I love to wheel (my first trucks were A 1st gen runner and a zr2 blazer that I put trough hell and back) but I just had my first kid and I'm trying to buy a house so wheeling/repairs/armor/mods ect isn't exactly in the budget.however I do want to lift my 3rd gen regardless of if I'm going to wheel it or not.i read a lot and see a lot of pictures on here and nobody seems to have the setup that I imagine on my truck.

My question!-I know I want LC springs and either tokiiko lc shocks or ome 850 (lc shocks), from what I'm understanding that will give me about 4-4.5 inches of lift in the rear.....but everytime I see this set up on picture nobody ever seems to have the front leveled with the rear.....WHAT COILOVER SET UP DO I GET for the front to match the rear lift and have minimal rake...
( I know I need diff drop and panhard as we'll)

MY GOAL: AS MUCH LIFT AS POSSIBLE
 
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If you lift the front more than 3-3.5" then you'll be spending a lot of money on new CV's. If you want cheap lift, do a 3" body and all the supporting stuff. No way you'll get the front level with LC springs unless you put weight in the back to sag the springs a bit.
 
cdrewferd said:
If you lift the front more than 3-3.5" then you'll be spending a lot of money on new CV's. If you want cheap lift, do a 3" body and all the supporting stuff. No way you'll get the front level with LC springs unless you put weight in the back to sag the springs a bit.
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Thanks for the reply drew-
BL looks terrible in my opinion making the frame visible and what not.
As far as cv's....you think that with 90% highway/city I'll still be breaking cv's all the time??? Even with diff drop?i don't plan on running anything bigger than a 32" tire

What would be tallest COILOVER for the front available today?
 
with a diff drop youll still have to watch your cvs and boots, generally coil overs range from 1.5 to 3.5in being the tallest. get ToyTec superflex coils in the rear paired with the long travel 5125 bilstienes. In the front id say the 3 in toytec coilover. If you really really wanted the .5in in the front id just add a spacer. I highly recommend you get a 1 or a 1.5in diff drop.
 
Tire size isn't going to matter. If you put the CV's at too much of an angle, then you're going to break them. Street driving may give you more milage before they break, but the boots will wear quicker and the parts will be way more stressed if you try to get over 3.5" of lift.

You can get any coilover you want, then turn them up. I think Sway-a-way and King have 700lb coils, but not sure.
 
Surf-I am pretty set on lc rear suspension-it is dirt cheap in my area for oem lc shocks and springs(unless I got. Ome 850's. Or tokiko) and diff drop is a def.thank you sir

I guess the only way to get more than 3 inch in the front is coilover and a small spacer.i just do not like the rake look at all so I'm gonna look into spacer.


Drew-I've never heard of either of those.everyone here seems to be really happy with their toytecs so I'm just gonna follow the herd.
 
yotallycrazy said:
So This is my dilemma! I love to wheel (my first trucks were A 1st gen runner and a zr2 blazer that I put trough hell and back) but I just had my first kid and I'm trying to buy a house so wheeling/repairs/armor/mods ect isn't exactly in the budget.however I do want to lift my 3rd gen regardless of if I'm going to wheel it or not.i read a lot and see a lot of pictures on here and nobody seems to have the setup that I imagine on my truck.

My question!-I know I want LC springs and either tokiiko lc shocks or ome 850 (lc shocks), from what I'm understanding that will give me about 4-4.5 inches of lift in the rear.....but everytime I see this set up on picture nobody ever seems to have the front leveled with the rear.....WHAT COILOVER SET UP DO I GET for the front to match the rear lift and have minimal rake...
( I know I need diff drop and panhard as we'll)

MY GOAL: AS MUCH LIFT AS POSSIBLE
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Your goal needs a SAS.
 
yotallycrazy said:
Surf-I am pretty set on lc rear suspension-it is dirt cheap in my area for oem lc shocks and springs(unless I got. Ome 850's. Or tokiko) and diff drop is a def.thank you sir

I guess the only way to get more than 3 inch in the front is coilover and a small spacer.i just do not like the rake look at all so I'm gonna look into spacer.


Drew-I've never heard of either of those.everyone here seems to be really happy with their toytecs so I'm just gonna follow the herd.
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Anything over 3" lift front will cause your truck not to align. Shocks to blow out faster. Stiffer ride. Ball joint failure and cv shaft failure. Ever LC rear setup is raked for a reason. If we all could run more than 3" front lift we would. Its just not going to be a good idea. That 10% of the time you go wheeling, if you ever let a tire droop down a little to far you can kiss those cv's goodbye. Not to mention you can also damage the steering rack from to much droop since you overextend the inner tie rod ends. You would need limiting straps to be safe.
 
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Jay-I see what your saying.i guess I'll have to live with .5 to 1 inch of rake.

On a faster note-id like to see a video of that dsm if you have a link
 
JayRolla said:
Anything over 3" lift front will cause your truck not to align. Shocks to blow out faster. Stiffer ride. Ball joint failure and cv shaft failure. Ever LC rear setup is raked for a reason. If we all could run more than 3" front lift we would. Its just not going to be a good idea. That 10% of the time you go wheeling, if you ever let a tire droop down a little to far you can kiss those cv's goodbye. Not to mention you can also damage the steering rack from to much droop since you overextend the inner tie rod ends. You would need limiting straps to be safe.
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Jay I just took a look at your build thread.your truck is beautiful man.:boink:
 
If you plan on using it mostly on the street, I'd say stay away from the OME shocks. They perform well off road, but they are a bit rough on the street. Maybe look into the Bilstein 5100's.
 
Hepar said:
If you plan on using it mostly on the street, I'd say stay away from the OME shocks. They perform well off road, but they are a bit rough on the street. Maybe look into the Bilstein 5100's.
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Hepar-are you referring to the front or the rear? Plan is lc springs and tokico shocks.and toyotec coilovers in the front.
 
Hepar said:
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I'm talking about the rear.
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Gotcha yea definitely staying away from ome SCHOCKS.i did mention in my first post maybe getting ome 850's springs.but I think that the LC set up is better suited for street.



See hepar it confuses the crap out me how on this forum people say coils and are referring to springs.I come from slammed/big lip/aggressive camber/aggressive offset world (still Toyota hence the name)......and when we say coils we mean short for full coilovers.i go back and forth from club Lexus and t4r. And I always have to catch myself.
 
You can crank most coilovers up past 3". I have my Toytec coilovers up around 3.5" now, and they were at 4" for a little while. They could be cranked up further too, so you could probably do 4.5" with them but it will handle like shit and be all over the road because you won't be able to get your alignment very close to spec. Doesn't make much sense to me for a DD with a kid in the back, but you could do it.

Just be prepared for poor handling and whatever problems might come along with having so much lift on the front. 32s are going to look small under 4-4.5" of lift too….they look small under a 3" lift in my opinion.
 
yotallycrazy said:
Gotcha yea definitely staying away from ome SCHOCKS.i did mention in my first post maybe getting ome 850's springs.but I think that the LC set up is better suited for street.



See hepar it confuses the crap out me how on this forum people say coils and are referring to springs.I come from slammed/big lip/aggressive camber/aggressive offset world (still Toyota hence the name)......and when we say coils we mean short for full coilovers.i go back and forth from club Lexus and t4r. And I always have to catch myself.
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Ahh. That's my bad. I quickly skimmed your first post. My rig is way more of a mall crawler these days. I have OME springs in the rear with bilsteins and toytec coils :cheers: in the front. I really like the way it drives on the street.

And maybe saying coils vs springs is like asking for a soda or a pop.
 
FR4R said:
You can crank most coilovers up past 3". I have my Toytec coilovers up around 3.5" now, and they were at 4" for a little while. They could be cranked up further too, so you could probably do 4.5" with them but it will handle like shit and be all over the road because you won't be able to get your alignment very close to spec. Doesn't make much sense to me for a DD with a kid in the back, but you could do it.

Just be prepared for poor handling and whatever problems might come along with having so much lift on the front. 32s are going to look small under 4-4.5" of lift too….they look small under a 3" lift in my opinion.
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Fr4r-I was wondering how high they went in general.but obviously that's different than how high can they go without destroying the coilovers itself.im willing to experiment because when the runner is down I can still drive one of the gs300's.i want lift but I'm not going to compromise safety and handling.

As far as tire size, we have different opinions.
 
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