mobile1 supersync'ed

[07runner]

Toyota does not feel that you should extend oil change intervals with a synthetic oil. If you do not follow the recommended oil change schedule, it will void the waranty. Whether you use synthetic or not.

Source: Toyota Headquarters

 

[RonMAIDEN]

If synthetic oil was so important to long life and reliability, don't you think the oil would be synthetic from the factory?

Uh yes,Vettes and several other highend cars come straight from the showrom with synthetic and several factory authorized tuners (SLP,Hennesey,Lingenfelter) use and recommend synthetic.

Turbocharged cars especially benefit from synthetic due to it's thermal stability which is a big deal when running through a turbocharger that has exhaust temps of nearly 900 degrees F going through it which is roughly 4 times as hot as the engine is. Also the next time it's well below zero out do a comparison on the pourability of synthetic vs dino oil,that alone in cold environmentys makes syn worth it.
I ran my AWD Eclipse very hard for 8 seasons and always used Mobile 1 syn and the engine never had a problem seeing nearly 400 strip runs during it's 120k miles I drove it.

While there are some who debunk synthetics there's plenty of other studies and proof that synthetics provide better protection under stress but to each his own and what you choose to believe and buy and a little extra cash going toward the lifeblood of my engine is worth the peace of mind.

If I just had a regular car that was just a DD then I probably would run dino oil but most of the vehicles I've run hard have benefitted from synthetics including in all my gearboxes also.

Sport Compact Car had an MR2 and a Subi WRX on a dyno running Royal Purple synthetic and it made a consistent 4-6whp over dino oil which isn't that significant to an everyday driver but to a racer any amount of ponies made is important.

 

[07runner]

My point is, at this time no Toyota engines require synthetic oil. It is at this time a waste of money. Should Toyota start putting synthetic oil in the vehicles, then I would use synthetic. There is nothing special about the engine in the 4Runner that needs or requires a synthetic oil.

Source Toyota Headquarters

I will trust the company that makes the 4Runner to determine the needed oil.

 

[07runner]

This is a excellent web site to check out:
www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm

 

[Bluto]

My point is, at this time no Toyota engines require synthetic oil. It is at this time a waste of money. Should Toyota start putting synthetic oil in the vehicles, then I would use synthetic. There is nothing special about the engine in the 4Runner that needs or requires a synthetic oil.

Source Toyota Headquarters

I will trust the company that makes the 4Runner to determine the needed oil.

Camry 4 cyl. Produced 8/96 - 7/01

Camry 6 cyl. Produced 8/96 - 8/02

Solara 4 cyl. Produced 6/98 - 5/01

Solara 6 cyl. Produced 6/98 - 8/02

Sienna 6 cyl. Produced 7/97 - 6/02

Avalon 6 cyl. Produced 7/96 - 6/02

Celica 4 cyl. Produced 8/96 - 4/99

Highlander 6 cyl. Produced 11/00 - 8/02


Neither did these, and they are prone to sludge using dino oil. I know of 2 Camrys with new engines.

Read the bottom of your own 'excellent website'
http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Toyota Sludge


I would not go 5000 miles on dino oil. 3000 is fine.

 

[toybox]

My Sienna had to have it's engine replaced due to sludge. And the oil was dino and changed at the proper intervals. I don't know what would have happened had it had synthetic in it.

 

[Bluto]

And as far as I'm concerned, a program to cover repair costs and incidental expenses is an admission of guilt.

I'll continue to waste my money on synthetic oil.

 

[ovrrdrive]

Source Toyota Headquarters

I will trust the company that makes the 4Runner to determine the needed oil.

Then by all means, run dino in your toyota...

I don't know why some people deem it necesarry to tell others what they are doing is wrong. I bet you oppose abortion too don't you?

It's a proven fact that synth oil is better. Whether or not the engine needs it or was designed for it is a moot point.

And when you go back to work Monday morning at Toyota HQ, how about some nice spy pics of the 07 4runners?

:bash:

 

[Baba Booey]

The extra protection when you are off road is all in your mind. The current dino oil has a API rating of SM, this is greater then the requirment your engine needs.

I am not so sure that an "SM" rated oil is a better oil than an "SL" rated one. In fact, I believe the "newer" Mobil 1 EP (extended protection) is an SL rated oil good for 15k miles, while regular Mobil 1 is an SM rated oil.

The newer rating has more to do with increased environmental standards than with what is best for the engine. The SM rated oils have less calcium, magnesium, phosphorous, zinc, etc. in the oil's addpack than the SL versions do, on average. This is supposedly better for catalytic converters and the environment, but in many ways it is worse for the quality and/or longevity of the oil, which is why Mobil 1 EP does not qualify for the SM rating.

I believe you will find that many of the best, most robust synthetics on the market cannot meet the SM rating requirements, but they are better in many ways than SM rated oils.

 

[mikes4runner]

Uh yes,Vettes and several other highend cars come straight from the showrom with synthetic and several factory authorized tuners (SLP,Hennesey,Lingenfelter) use and recommend synthetic.

Turbocharged cars especially benefit from synthetic due to it's thermal stability which is a big deal when running through a turbocharger that has exhaust temps of nearly 900 degrees F going through it which is roughly 4 times as hot as the engine is. Also the next time it's well below zero out do a comparison on the pourability of synthetic vs dino oil,that alone in cold environmentys makes syn worth it.
I ran my AWD Eclipse very hard for 8 seasons and always used Mobile 1 syn and the engine never had a problem seeing nearly 400 strip runs during it's 120k miles I drove it.

While there are some who debunk synthetics there's plenty of other studies and proof that synthetics provide better protection under stress but to each his own and what you choose to believe and buy and a little extra cash going toward the lifeblood of my engine is worth the peace of mind.

If I just had a regular car that was just a DD then I probably would run dino oil but most of the vehicles I've run hard have benefitted from synthetics including in all my gearboxes also.

Sport Compact Car had an MR2 and a Subi WRX on a dyno running Royal Purple synthetic and it made a consistent 4-6whp over dino oil which isn't that significant to an everyday driver but to a racer any amount of ponies made is important.

Right my 96 Vette ran mobil 1 synthetic from the factory and premium 93 too.

Nice to see my MR2 spyder is getting some extra ponies from the synthetic too:


Mike

 

[07runner]

They want you to buy a new car when the warranty expired @ 36k but it you're smart and start using synthetic it will ran a lot smoother and better like the day you brought it! IT'S A FACT! A smooth, quite running motor make you happy! a motor that's not make you want to go trade that old thing in for a new car!

Regular oil ran from day 1 after 30k run like an OLD sludgiest POS car! synthetic oil ran from day 1 after 30k still ran like the day you drove it off the showroom! 60% of people out their think synthetic is all hype but its not it really work! try it after you been running regular oil for sometime! I guarantee your car will feel and run a lot better with synthetic instead of dino!

Wow how did toyota vehicles ever reach 200,000 miles on old dino oil, IT even makes the car run smoother and the paint looks brand new again, I gotta get some of this!!!!!!

 

[Koz]

My point is, at this time no Toyota engines require synthetic oil. It is at this time a waste of money. Should Toyota start putting synthetic oil in the vehicles, then I would use synthetic. There is nothing special about the engine in the 4Runner that needs or requires a synthetic oil.

Source Toyota Headquarters

I will trust the company that makes the 4Runner to determine the needed oil.

07runner,

Don't take this the wrong way but you need to do some research about motor oil and warranties before you make anymore statement on this subject. There is allot of info right on this site that can help you and direct you to other sources that will clear things up. Please have an open mind; we are only trying to help.

Search

 

[07runner]

I can appreciate that Koz, but in fact I did a fair amount of research. In conclusion I discovered that if you have a high performance engine, operate in extreme heat or cold, a synthetic may in fact be better for your engine.

I also discovered though, that if your engine does not require a synthetic, it will not increase the life of the engine significantly, thus adding an expence that is not needed. API SM oil lubricates better at lower temperatures, and has something added to it to help prevent sludge from forming.

I am sure that the V8 engine will easily see 150,000 miles on regular oil, even if synthetic could and I really don't believe it will make much of a difference, in extending the servicability of the engine, most people will be ready to purchase a new 4Runner by that time.

 

[Koz]

I can appreciate that Koz, but in fact I did a fair amount of research. In conclusion I discovered that if you have a high performance engine, operate in extreme heat or cold, a synthetic may in fact be better for your engine.

I also discovered though, that if your engine does not require a synthetic, it will not increase the life of the engine significantly, thus adding an expence that is not needed. API SM oil lubricates better at lower temperatures, and has something added to it to help prevent sludge from forming.

I am sure that the V8 engine will easily see 150,000 miles on regular oil, even if synthetic could and I really don't believe it will make much of a difference, in extending the servicability of the engine, most people will be ready to purchase a new 4Runner by that time.

I agree, but synthetics give that warm and fuzzy feeling, because they do EVERYTHING better then dino!

Koz

 

[RonMAIDEN]

Synthetics don't break down the way dino oil does and synthetics won't turn to sludge if you are lazy and go an extra 3000 miles before the next oil change.

 

[07runner]

Synthetics don't break down the way dino oil does and synthetics won't turn to sludge if you are lazy and go an extra 3000 miles before the next oil change.

Synthetics do break down, and if you go past the recommended oil change schedule you will void your warranty.

It is also the official word of Toyota that they at this time do not recommened synthetic oil for their engines.

I have no more to say about this topic, if spending lots more money makes you feel good go right ahead.

 

[tcpoob]

It is also the official word of Toyota that they at this time do not recommened synthetic oil for their engines.

thanks for all your inputs. yes it's MOBIL, not MOBILE. I can't seem to "edit" the subj of the thread to correct the typo.

are you saying Toy manuf doenst recommend syn in the sense that you don't "have to" use it and it has shown no obvious advtg or, in the sense that it's "no good" for the engine?

Checked a Costco in metro Bos yesterday, case of 6 x 1qt M1 is about $28, not cheap at all.

 

[07runner]

Toyota stated in a fax sent to me, that at this time it is Toyota's position that petro based oil should be used, and does not recommened the use of synthetic oils. I hope this answers your question.

Please call Toyota headquarters, they will be happy to send you the fax.

Nothing good or bad was said about the use of synthetic. Actually no further info on the subject was given.

The oil change schedule needs to be followed regardless of the oil used or warrantys will be void.

 

[Koz]

did they drop that price? last i bought, it was at $24, that was a few months ago. last i saw, it was $28. this was a few weeks ago. I think Walmart is cheaper with that price, ~$21 for the 5quart and say ~$5 for the one quart. A couple bucks difference I guess.

I haven't bought oil at Costco in about a year and I read that all the oil and tire manufactures were raising their prices due to the rise in crude oil prices. I also bought a shit load of Amsoil back in March. (good thing)

Koz

 

[Bluto]

are you saying Toy manuf doenst recommend syn in the sense that you don't "have to" use it and it has shown no obvious advtg or, in the sense that it's "no good" for the engine?

Toyota's positions is you don't 'have to' use synthetic. A petro SJ 5W-30 is the minimum grade oil, changed at recommended intervals. If you don't think synthetic has any advantages over petro, don't use it.

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
We appreciate your inquiry regarding the us of synthetic oil in your 4Runner.

All Toyota vehicles come from the factory with natural petroleum-based engine oil. Toyota is currently recommending American Petroleum Institute (API) grade SJ petroleum-based engine oil. In moderate climates, this oil should have a Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) viscosity rating of 5W-30. In our high mileage tests with preventative maintenance performed at the recommended intervals, the recommended natural petroleum-based oil has provided excellent service.

If you decide to use synthetic oil for the engine, it would be best not to switch until the first scheduled oil change. Synthetic oil should meet or exceed the above specifications. Even if synthetic oil is used, we do not recommend a longer oil change interval. Also, once synthetic oil is used, you should keep using it and not switch back and forth with natural petroleum-based oil.

If the engine oil that you use, whether natural or synthetic, does not meet the above specifications or is defective, any resulting damage to the engine will not be covered by the Toyota New Vehicle Limited Warranty. You can protect yourself against this possibility by having your maintenance services performed by a factory-authorized Toyota dealer.

The Scheduled Maintenance Guide cites the minimum recommended services under what is assumed to be a standard, or typical set of driving conditions. In terms of maintaining the integrity of your warranty, our recommendation is adherence to the Scheduled Maintenance guide, which recommends service intervals of every 5000 miles, or 6 months, whichever comes first.

According to our records, the 4Runner we have on file for your is V8 4.7 4WD . The oil capacity for that engine, with a filter, is 6.5 quarts.

Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters under file #200412021090. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

National Customer Relations

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6986



Just a FYI, Mobil1 does not recommended extended drains while under warranty.


Synthetics do not break down like petroleum oils. However, Toyota feels petro oils do just fine for 5000 miles.

Your warranty will not be voided for going past the recommended change interval. Toyota simply won't warranty any damages/problems caused by exceeding the oil change interval. For the most part, the burden of proof falls on them.

To totally cover your rear, keep all receipts, change every 5k, and buy only Toyota Oil Filters.