Need a push in the right direction regarding suspension overhaul and lift

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I've owned my 97 Limited for over a year now and decided it's time for a suspension refresh. I also want to do a lift to fit 33" tires so I'm thinking 2.5-3" lift no more. The reason for this post? I've searched and searched for weeks now. I've read a ton of build threads and searched through various vendor's options as well as the forum's "lift info/faq thread" etc.

There is just way too much info out there and rather than play the guessing game I figured I'd ask if some of you with lots of experience can make a proper recommendation.

I plan to get the Coastal offroad bumpers front end rear, aluminum. Both swingouts for rear and a winch in front. I'm not sure what the stock metal bumpers weigh but I imagine it will be about 100-150lbs added to both front and rear with all this. I'll also set up a sleeping platform/storage in the rear, so I'd guess at all times there will be a good 200-400lbs in the rear.

My goal is to drive this a few thousand miles per year (mainly to Colorado/West to do some trails) so I'm not too worried about daily drive-ability or gas mileage. I also don't want more than a 2.5-3" lift and make it a crazy build like some I've seen on here.

Onto the actual questions... As I said, I've read just about everything, so these are a few questions I have that I couldn't answer myself...

If I get the Sonoran steel adjustable panhard bar, do I also need the PCK welded in? I assume yes to adjust for both height and horizontal axle position, but I'm unclear on that.

Are adjustable upper control arms a must for a 3" lift and fitting 33" tires? (I will get spacers if/as necessary, but wondering if I can go without the adjustable UCAs)

Other than a diff drop kit, which I want to do 100% to ease up on the front drivetrain, what is necessary as far as the extras go... extended brake lines, SS has the custom zerk plug, etc?

Finally, the dreaded question... from everything I've read it seems that Bilstein 5100s with some OME springs are the best overall solution unless you step up to more expensive systems with reservoirs etc. A lot of members also have the sonoran steel and toytec lifts and based on all that I'm leaning towards the SS Current system 1.2 as it has everything needed as well as the front easily adjustable radflo coilovers.

With all that said, I'd love recommendations on a kit that will not sag under the loads I mentioned, but I also don't want a crazy lift over 3" (SS 1.2 kit mentions 3.5-4.5" in the rear, which I definitely don't want, unless that's on a stock 4runner with no added weight).

Any help is GREATLY appreciated as I'd love to pull the trigger during some of these great sales going on this week/month.

PS. Any recommendations on what to replace in terms of suspension components would also be great. I plan to put in a new steering rack with poly bushings, new PS pump and all the bushings/ball joints probably factory but some poly.
 
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I've owned my 97 Limited for over a year now and decided it's time for a suspension refresh. I also want to do a lift to fit 33" tires so I'm thinking 2.5-3" lift no more. The reason for this post? I've searched and searched for weeks now. I've read a ton of build threads and searched through various vendor's options as well as the forum's "lift info/faq thread" etc.



There is just way too much info out there and rather than play the guessing game I figured I'd ask if some of you with lots of experience can make a proper recommendation.



I plan to get the CBI offroad bumpers front end rear, aluminum. Both swingouts for rear and a winch in front. I'm not sure what the stock metal bumpers weigh but I imagine it will be about 100-150lbs added to both front and rear with all this. I'll also set up a sleeping platform/storage in the rear, so I'd guess at all times there will be a good 200-400lbs in the rear.



My goal is to drive this a few thousand miles per year (mainly to Colorado/West to do some trails) so I'm not too worried about daily drive-ability or gas mileage. I also don't want more than a 2.5-3" lift and make it a crazy build like some I've seen on here.



Onto the actual questions... As I said, I've read just about everything, so these are a few questions I have that I couldn't answer myself...



If I get the Sonoran steel adjustable panhard bar, do I also need the PCK welded in? I assume yes to adjust for both height and horizontal axle position, but I'm unclear on that.



Are adjustable upper control arms a must for a 3" lift and fitting 33" tires? (I will get spacers if/as necessary, but wondering if I can go without the adjustable UCAs)



Other than a diff drop kit, which I want to do 100% to ease up on the front drivetrain, what is necessary as far as the extras go... extended brake lines, SS has the custom zerk plug, etc?



Finally, the dreaded question... from everything I've read it seems that Bilstein 5100s with some OME springs are the best overall solution unless you step up to more expensive systems with reservoirs etc. A lot of members also have the sonoran steel and toytec lifts and based on all that I'm leaning towards the SS Current system 1.2 as it has everything needed as well as the front easily adjustable radflo coilovers.



With all that said, I'd love recommendations on a kit that will not sag under the loads I mentioned, but I also don't want a crazy lift over 3" (SS 1.5 kit mentions 3.5-4.5" in the rear, which I definitely don't want, unless that's on a stock 4runner with no added weight).



Any help is GREATLY appreciated as I'd love to pull the trigger during some of these great sales going on this week/month.



PS. Any recommendations on what to replace in terms of suspension components would also be great. I plan to put in a new steering rack with poly bushings, new PS pump and all the bushings/ball joints probably factory but some poly.



PCK+ SS Panhard: I did PCK and that corrected everything. Has different settings to match your height so I don’t see the need for the bar.

UCA’s: Upgraded UCAs are required if you’re trying to get alignment (caster I think) in spec. Also may be rubbing issues with 33s?


Extras?
Diff drop is debated but I’d say go for it, I’ll probably go back and do it.
Extended SS brake lines gave me peace of mind I’d say worth it.
Would look to others with more experience, spacers etc...

I have Billy 5100s but think the Sonoran Steel kits are an easy way to get the full package with minimal up charge. They’ve got a sale going on right now so go get em! I’d contact them to ask about the 1.5 and tell them about your gear setup, they can tell you expected lift.

Best of luck!



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just get the Toytec 3" kit, diff drop, panhard bar and extended front brake lines. No need for anything else or fancy. Can run 33s no problems. No need for new arms or anything else, unless you just want to.

Regardless, be prepared for your front CVs to start slinging grease.
 
Maybe consider 2” lift plus goose the body up to an inch to fit 33 if necessary.

Once you go over 2” is sort of like when you first hit the thrusters if you ever played asteroids. Just a lot more to think about. UCA, brake lines and cv angles for example, 2” no biggie. Over 2” everything becomes fair game.

But don’t leave yourself wanting I guess.

Adjustable panhard seems silly to me. Stock bar is perfectly fine w PCK.

Have you checked out your camber bolts yet? Maybe be ready to re-bush and new adjusters in your lower arms. Camber will need adjustment and the originals may need to be cut out in order to get a proper alignment post lift. Budget couple hundred and/or some skinned knuckle tips for that job.
 
Thanks for all the responses. Can someone confirm the weight of the front and rear stock bumpers? I'm trying to get the best riding springs that will support the weight, so figured I need to know the actual weight first :).

I'm not 100% against doing a body lift, but would like to leave that as a last resort.

Monkey I haven't looked at those yet but I'll probably be swapping everything in the front end with the suspension refresh.
 
just get the Toytec 3" kit, diff drop, panhard bar and extended front brake lines. No need for anything else or fancy. Can run 33s no problems. No need for new arms or anything else, unless you just want to.

Regardless, be prepared for your front CVs to start slinging grease.

I don't think that kit is right for me as they say average of 3" lift is achieved with stock weight, which means it will be lower considering the extra weight I'm adding.
 
I have Billy 5100s but think the Sonoran Steel kits are an easy way to get the full package with minimal up charge. They’ve got a sale going on right now so go get em! I’d contact them to ask about the 1.5 and tell them about your gear setup, they can tell you expected lift.

I would also recommend you call Steve at Sonoran Steel. He knows these trucks inside out, and will get you set up with exactly what you need, and nothing you don't.

I could not be happier with my SS 1.2 system, and the sale currently going on is icing on the cake!
 
Ordered the 1.2 system with 2.5 radflo shocks, 650lb springs and OME 861 springs in rear. Now need to buy all the bushings and balljoints, replace steering rack and pump and finally drop the $$ on all the bumpers and winch. $12-14k into a $3k truck? Sure why not :)
 
Ordered the 1.2 system with 2.5 radflo shocks, 650lb springs and OME 861 springs in rear. Now need to buy all the bushings and balljoints, replace steering rack and pump and finally drop the $$ on all the bumpers and winch. $12-14k into a $3k truck? Sure why not :)

LOL, this is exactly what I did. You are going to love that new suspension. It is amazing off road!
 
LOL, this is exactly what I did. You are going to love that new suspension. It is amazing off road!

Yeah I feel confident about the order. Still a lot of crap to order and then comes the fun part of installing everything, but it will be well worth it.
 

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