Need help on options if I don’t lift .....

[Bruin1md]

....... been struggling with this for a couple of weeks:
Love my AG TRD pro but feel it needs a wider stance. Simple fix right ? Maybe just put in some 1.25” spydertrex spacers and call it a day.
Well...... I also think I want bigger tires. Hence, I talked to Jason Burtman, who was very helpful, and who recommended his 2/1 lift, which apparently won’t really affect the stock suspension, nor the ride quality.
That would allow me to go up to Nitto Ridge grapplers at 285/70/17.

The problem is that the roof basket adds several inches and may impede clearance getting in and out of parking garages.
When you look at the pro from the back, it doesn’t look like it really needs a lift. Instead it looks like it sits at too narrow of a stance —something wider tired and wheel spacers would solve (although the front could use another 1/2-1”)
I’m not sure I want to take off the stock roof basket and replace it with something lower profile. I don’t like the weight it adds (MPG sap) but I like the look, plus I don’t want to take too much away from the stock set up.

Anyone know if LT falken AT3’s at 275/70/17 will rub with 1.25 spacers if I DONT do a lift?
I know the front fender panels are already pushed forward at the port on PRO’s but the issue will likely be at the back of the front fender.
Jason also mentioned that anything less than a 2” lift up front will result in rub with 285’s and wheel spacers.

The other question is this: Are there any reports of premature wear and tear on the stock PRO suspension and/or UCA’s after doing this 2/1 lift ?

My Pro will see a lot of highway miles and I would like to keep the ride as close to stock as possible.

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[Bruin1md]

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[Dillusion]

Don't know about the rubbing but I'm guessing spacers for the 2/1 lift and if he is saying spacers don't affect ride thats bull shit.

 

[ElectroBoy]

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[Bruin1md]

Don't know about the rubbing but I'm guessing spacers for the 2/1 lift and if he is saying spacers don't affect ride thats bull shit.

No, he was referring to the lift (suspension spacers)

You're saying the wheel spacers will affect the ride? How so?

 

[Bruin1md]

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[burgjp]

No, he was referring to the lift (suspension spacers)

You're saying the wheel spacers will affect the ride? How so?

no. he meant the 2/1 spacer lift.

 

[Bruin1md]

no. he meant the 2/1 spacer lift.

Got it--makes more sense.

How has it affected the rides for you guys who got them?

 

[Jetboy]

The lift will make no difference in tire fitment. So you should be able to run the same size tire with the same wheel regardless of stock or lifted height. Unless you never plan on going off road. The IFS will cycle through the same rang of motion so if it rubs without a lift - it will also rub with a lift.

 

[brtnstrns]

I would just get the wheel spacers since they're relatively inexpensive and just install them and see what you think about the stance.

I've noticed that tires look bigger or smaller in photos depending on a variety of factors including what angle the photo is taken at.

I photo of my vehicle directly from the side with 265/70/17 Wildpeak AT3Ws may make the tires look too small. But in person, with the wheel spacers, the stance basically looks perfect from almost all angles.

I'd just do the wheel spacers since you're kind of planning to anyway and then decide if you really want to go bigger/taller after you see it yourself.

 

[Dillusion]

No, he was referring to the lift (suspension spacers)

You're saying the wheel spacers will affect the ride? How so?

Not wheel spacers the suspension spacers.

Someone can explain the technical side better than I can. But just think about it you are compressing the spring and extending the stock shock which isn't meant for it.

I had one on my Tundra before and I swore never again. Talk about back breaking.

If you don't go off roading I think it will be fine. But to say it doesn't affect the suspension I still say bull shit.

And most have said wheel spacers cause more rubbing. With stock sized tires I'm not sure.

 

[honda250xtitan]

stock will fit 285/70-17 tires.

stock height with 285/70-17 with wheel spacers you'll need to do trimming and BMC

stock height with stock size tires with wheel spacers......less trimming.. :shrug:

 

[adrummingdude]

stock will fit 285/70-17 tires.

This would be great if true, but I have read a few opinions that 285/70's will rub with the stock suspension.

I wonder if anyone has any pics of that setup.

 

[progress4m]

Got it--makes more sense.

How has it affected the rides for you guys who got them?

I do not know what type of spacer (s) are used in Jason Burtman 2” lift, but if that lift only has top spacer (mounts on the top of the coilover\strut assembly) then it will have zero impact on the ride quality… only preload spacer (normally mounts inside of the coilover\strut –on the top of the spring) will impact the ride- makes it harsher since you are pre-loading the spring. The impact on ride depends on the size (thickness) of the preload spacer.

 

[honda250xtitan]

This would be great if true, but I have read a few opinions that 285/70's will rub with the stock suspension.

I wonder if anyone has any pics of that setup.

GOOGLE. SEARCH. pics are everywhere. The only rubbing i had was mud flap and a little plastic on the back of the front bumper. Install, determine rubbing, find a solution. it's not difficult. :der:

 

[Bruin1md]

I do not know what type of spacer (s) are used in Jason Burtman 2” lift, but if that lift only has top spacer (mounts on the top of the coilover\strut assembly) then it will have zero impact on the ride quality… only preload spacer (normally mounts inside of the coilover\strut –on the top of the spring) will impact the ride- makes it harsher since you are pre-loading the spring. The impact on ride depends on the size (thickness) of the preload spacer.

thanks. He uses spacers on either side (top and bottom) of the coilover, from what I understand.

 

[progress4m]

thanks. He uses spacers on either side (top and bottom) of the coilover, from what I understand.

IMHO: then considering that the total lift is 2 inches, I would assume that preload spacer is half of the inch or less… so I would tend to agree with him and that such a small preload will have very minimal to no impact on the ride quality…

of course, “ride quality\harshness” is very subjective… ☹

 

[Cymon]

No lift with 275 and TRD Pro wheels will likely rub without lift and spacers. They even have to trim the Pro’s at port when they install all of the goodies just to fit 265’s. With the lift it may not rub driving around town but as [MENTION=118321]Jetboy[/MENTION] stated in an earlier post, if you go anywhere that compresses the front suspension and turn you’ll rub due to the nature of the 4runner’s IFS. This is all without wheel spacers. Add in the wheel spacers and you’re going to have to go to work on that body mount.

If you “need” to run 275’s and wheel spacers, just go no lift, do a Body Mount Chop, call it a day and enjoy your vehicle.