Never OFF-ROAD Alone!
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Mr. Lambdebois
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Wow.
One of those beacon things are great. A couple of my buddies are climbers and they always have one when they go out on a climb. (they are nuts....they will do a 2 day climb and sleep hanging in the air off the cliff halfway up)
I have always had one to borrow if I need it but thanks for the link. I have been meaning to look into getting one.
One of those beacon things are great. A couple of my buddies are climbers and they always have one when they go out on a climb. (they are nuts....they will do a 2 day climb and sleep hanging in the air off the cliff halfway up)
I have always had one to borrow if I need it but thanks for the link. I have been meaning to look into getting one.
ovrrdrive
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Re: THIS IS FROM THREAD ABOVE
You know, in that pic it looks like he is actually heading away from the water... That would mean he knew it was there and was going to get help.
I looked in all the pics to find support for this theory and couldn't but it is possible that he went through that gap once to get to the water and was actually going back out and got it stuck.
There is damage to both sides of the truck consistent with that but I couldn't see any black marks on the side of the rock. There also aren't any tire marks in the dirt on the other side, but if you look there aren't any behind the truck either suggesting they walked around the truck for several hours trying to figure out what to do.
In my early morning boredom, I have been eye-balling Lake Mead on Google maps trying to spot where they were at but haven't had any luck yet.
Most of the passages seem to lead straight down to the water though which would also support the idea of a return trip.
Maybe someone with better luck on Google maps and more time can find a match.
Maybe here?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...l=36.112438,-114.847097&spn=0.001038,0.001784
Side note, man there really is some beautiful terrain out there...
Thai said:
You know, in that pic it looks like he is actually heading away from the water... That would mean he knew it was there and was going to get help.
I looked in all the pics to find support for this theory and couldn't but it is possible that he went through that gap once to get to the water and was actually going back out and got it stuck.
There is damage to both sides of the truck consistent with that but I couldn't see any black marks on the side of the rock. There also aren't any tire marks in the dirt on the other side, but if you look there aren't any behind the truck either suggesting they walked around the truck for several hours trying to figure out what to do.
In my early morning boredom, I have been eye-balling Lake Mead on Google maps trying to spot where they were at but haven't had any luck yet.
Most of the passages seem to lead straight down to the water though which would also support the idea of a return trip.
Maybe someone with better luck on Google maps and more time can find a match.
Maybe here?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...l=36.112438,-114.847097&spn=0.001038,0.001784
Side note, man there really is some beautiful terrain out there...
Mr. Lambdebois
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Good observation ovrrdrive I hadn't noticed that.
Now you got me wondering......
I'll play around with my satalite imagery later and see if I can find it.
I wish I had some gps cordinates......
Now you got me wondering......
I'll play around with my satalite imagery later and see if I can find it.
I wish I had some gps cordinates......
Iowa4Runner
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Re: Re: THIS IS FROM THREAD ABOVE
I don't think that area in the upper left corner of the picture is water. Satellite images often have funky stitched together sections with widely varying resolutions and image quality, and that's what this looks like. There'd be more of a shoreline if it was Lake Mead.
ovrrdrive said:
I don't think that area in the upper left corner of the picture is water. Satellite images often have funky stitched together sections with widely varying resolutions and image quality, and that's what this looks like. There'd be more of a shoreline if it was Lake Mead.
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Northof49
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I've read a lot of stories on the snowmobile forums where avalanche beacons have saved buried people. Sure there are some cases where you're screwed regardless, but any chance is better than no chance at all. I used to risk it on my sled, but now I won't ride without avy beacon + friends with one.teotwaki said:
I'm not sure about for off-roading tho....I think this case would have been easier to avoid with common sense than to solve with electronic gidgets.
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MicaBlue03
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Water in photo or ??
ovrrdrive, I think what you're seeing in the upper left of that photo is a strut or skid on the aircraft that's taking the photo. It's not in sharp focus like the rest of the photo.
The beacons, BTW, are called EPIRBs--Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacons. Earlier ones only operated at lower frequencies (about 120 MHz?) that were monitored by satellites (SARSAT?) and often by commercial aircraft. They only really indicated position by their direct transmissions to a nearby airplane or satellite overhead. The newer ones sometimes have GPS so they can send a signal which includes their exact lat/long. The main frequency for the new ones is 406 MHz and I'm not sure what kind of specific improvements that brings.
One does certainly have to wonder what those folks were thinking. Usually you can get to civilization pretty fast by walking downhill (except for an area in Utah, I hear). I wonder if that's the way this guy went. I suppose it's always a good idea to try walking first to a local high point for visibility and also at least a few hundred yards in 2-3 directions.
I am (almost completely) glad they made it out alive. I just wouldn't want to share a road or trail with the driver/decisionmaker. I am (completely) glad the dog survived.
ovrrdrive, I think what you're seeing in the upper left of that photo is a strut or skid on the aircraft that's taking the photo. It's not in sharp focus like the rest of the photo.
The beacons, BTW, are called EPIRBs--Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacons. Earlier ones only operated at lower frequencies (about 120 MHz?) that were monitored by satellites (SARSAT?) and often by commercial aircraft. They only really indicated position by their direct transmissions to a nearby airplane or satellite overhead. The newer ones sometimes have GPS so they can send a signal which includes their exact lat/long. The main frequency for the new ones is 406 MHz and I'm not sure what kind of specific improvements that brings.
One does certainly have to wonder what those folks were thinking. Usually you can get to civilization pretty fast by walking downhill (except for an area in Utah, I hear). I wonder if that's the way this guy went. I suppose it's always a good idea to try walking first to a local high point for visibility and also at least a few hundred yards in 2-3 directions.
I am (almost completely) glad they made it out alive. I just wouldn't want to share a road or trail with the driver/decisionmaker. I am (completely) glad the dog survived.
stewart.phillip
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teotwaki said:
I saw the 'moron' you are talking about speak at my University. He's got one hell of a story to tell.
teotwaki
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stewart.phillip said:
I don't know if you go mountaineering, rock climbing or even on extended backpacking trips. I have climbed the tallest mountain in North America in only 14 days as well as climbed Rainier, Shasta and Whitney. One of my mentors is a world-class climbing ranger on Denali and has had to deal with the aftermath of folks like the lecturing Moron. None of my climbing friends or I am impressed by the Moron's tale of woe. I have lots of great stories to tell but none of them involve out and out brainless acts of selfish stupidity.
I am dismayed at the commercial success that The Moron is reaping by spin doctoring his tale of stupidity into a gruesome tale of cutting off his own limb. Now he is out posing for PLB advertisements as if one of those would have stopped him from all of the mistakes that he made. All this from a guy who used to be in an Albuquerque S&R team.
That Moron went out alone, told absolutely no one of his agenda, timetable, or route and also tried try to bypass a large unstable boulder that ultimately should have crushed his skull rather than just an arm.
QUOTE: Aaron Ralston said " I chose to go out there by myself. I chose to not tell anyone where I was going. I chose not to go with [two climbers] I had met in the canyon [on the first day]. "
He has a story to tell because he was stupid and now he is out making money on top of it. If he had any class he would donate all of his new book's sales profits to the Search and Rescue people who risk their lives to rescue people like the Moron.
:dammit:
TRD04RUNNER
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WTF! DID HE THINK HIS 4R WAS A MONSTER TRUCK OR SOMETHING? LOL WHAT THE HECK WERE THOSE PEOPLE THINKING! :nono:
gizmopt2002
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Any new info about this?
