New AT/MT hybrid tires offered by Toyo and Nitto

[proquip]

Another thread below got me looking through Nitto's website. I found the following new tire - an AT/MT hybrid (similar to Duratracs, ST Maxx, etc.).

Exo Grappler All Weather Traction Light Truck Tire


Being that Nitto and Toyo are sister companies, and I'm a big fan of Toyo's, I poked around and found the following link to the corresponding line of Toyo tires, filling the gap between their MT and AT tires. Both tires look like great options.

Sneak Peek: New Toyo Tires Open Country R/T | Off-Road.com Blog

 

[Desert Dawg]

The Toyo RT looks intriguing for a slightly more aggressive look for our rigs over the new Nitto Exo but the Exo is probably a better all around performer.

 

[gm350reratliff]

The Toyo RT looks intriguing for a slightly more aggressive look for our rigs over the new Nitto Exo but the Exo is probably a better all around performer.

I agree.

I wish Nitto would release a load range C in the Exo. I don't think I want to run an E load range tire. Who knows, maybe I'll try it. I'm betting the Toyo is loud though. I had a set of AT Extremes on my F150 and they were really loud above 65 mph. On a positive note, the Toyos I owned and 98% percent of the Toyos I installed over the years, balanced perfect with very little weight. Most of the Nittos balanced good too, just not as good as the Toyos.

Somebody go buy these and try them please!

 

[dwm2112]

Too bad the Nitto will not be available in a 275/55-20... Pretty limited number of sizes available.

 

[TheLast13]

Im kind of digging that Nitto. Always liked the look of their truck tires, just never used them.

 

[Stifler]

I will stick with my TGs

 

[GSPRunner]

I like the look of the Toyo. Wonder how much they weigh, Toyo MT's are super heavy.

 

[nad]

I wonder if theyre making these due to the popularity of the duratracs.

 

[proquip]

I wonder if theyre making these due to the popularity of the duratracs.

Yes, I suspect these are intended to compete squarely with Duratracs and Cooper ST Maxx.

I like the look of the Toyo. Wonder how much they weigh, Toyo MT's are super heavy.

Agreed, Toyo MTs are crazy heavy. Like Duratracs, hoping these are a little lighter. Although only a few sizes have been listed (re. the Nitto's), I'm hoping they eventually offer a load range C or even some P-metric options in 265/70/17s or 275/70/17s (again, like the Duratracs).

 

[SigSense]

Looks like a great competitor to the Wrangler. The tread depth is the same for them both. Weight was not mentioned on the company website, but a C rated 265/70/17 Wrangler weighs 44 LB.

 

[GA-4RUNNER]

I have the Goodyear Wranglers M/T on my 96 F150 long bed since 2009. 40k miles later they still ride great and have not excessively worn down. I'm actually thinking of going with this tire on the 4runner. There is a bit of road noise, but if you can live with it they are a good tire.:boink:

 

[gshadow325]

I agree.

I wish Nitto would release a load range C in the Exo. I don't think I want to run an E load range tire. Who knows, maybe I'll try it. I'm betting the Toyo is loud though. I had a set of AT Extremes on my F150 and they were really loud above 65 mph. On a positive note, the Toyos I owned and 98% percent of the Toyos I installed over the years, balanced perfect with very little weight. Most of the Nittos balanced good too, just not as good as the Toyos.

Somebody go buy these and try them please!

i run bfg at ko load range E on my 4th gen and i dont notice it riding any worse than my michelin ltx's i had in 16"

why would load c make the ride any different? is it how it is built?

i just checked pricing for a 275/70/18 exo vs bfg at ko in the same size and it about $55 more for the nitto each. wonder if they are that much better? i want to try it out. i think i shall call my nitto distributor on monday

 

[gm350reratliff]

i run bfg at ko load range E on my 4th gen and i dont notice it riding any worse than my michelin ltx's i had in 16"

why would load c make the ride any different? is it how it is built?

i just checked pricing for a 275/70/18 exo vs bfg at ko in the same size and it about $55 more for the nitto each. wonder if they are that much better? i want to try it out. i think i shall call my nitto distributor on monday

It's not so much about the ride as it is the weight of the tire itself. I don't really want to run a heavy tire like an "E" rated tire. For the little bit of offroading and towing that I actually get to do these days, an "E" rated tire is overkill. MPG is somewhat more important so that is why I like running a "light" all-terrain on my 4runner.

 

[gshadow325]

It's not so much about the ride as it is the weight of the tire itself. I don't really want to run a heavy tire like an "E" rated tire. For the little bit of offroading and towing that I actually get to do these days, an "E" rated tire is overkill. MPG is somewhat more important so that is why I like running a "light" all-terrain on my 4runner.

how much weight can be saved from a "C" to a "E"?

my bfg 285/65/18 specs say 58# and others available in that size is 55-65#

i wonder what else is out there.

coincidentally, i got a email today from one of my wheel guys introducing the exo line

 

[gm350reratliff]

Sometimes a lot of weight can be saved. BFG offers the 265/70/17 AT KO in both load range C and E. The C load range weighs 45.2 lbs while the E load range weighs 53.2 lbs. So 8 lbs per tire can be saved. Not all sizes have that choice in load range, most don't.

I installed the Toyo AT2 in a 285/65/18 on my F150. A great tire but really heavy and it killed my mpg. I lost nearly 5 mpg with those tires alone.

I would love to slap some 285s on both 4runners but I drive them way too much to lose that kind of mpg right now. It will probably happen at some point though.

 

[gshadow325]

i guess i am paying for the tires in fuel economy. i never thought about it like that. on the bright side i have caught 4 various screws, bolts and nails and none of them managed to get thru the tire to release any air! had one bolt that was uo to second knucle on pinky finger!

thanks for the good info.

 

[THEROK]

Sometimes a lot of weight can be saved. BFG offers the 265/70/17 AT KO in both load range C and E. The C load range weighs 45.2 lbs while the E load range weighs 53.2 lbs. So 8 lbs per tire can be saved. Not all sizes have that choice in load range, most don't.



I installed the Toyo AT2 in a 285/65/18 on my F150. A great tire but really heavy and it killed my mpg. I lost nearly 5 mpg with those tires alone.



I would love to slap some 285s on both 4runners but I drive them way too much to lose that kind of mpg right now. It will probably happen at some point though.

5mpg? Either math is a challenge or someone is surreptitiously hitching sacks of pure mercury into every nook and cranny of your rig.

It's all a concession. If you want durability and aggressive looks no at tire can beat the mt. If you want to maximize fuel efficiency and you mall crawl all day with no regard to bad arse lifted truck looks then stick with stock tires. If you're somewhere in between, then you've got a litany of choices.

I love my at2 xtreme Toyos. My 325/60s look great, ride quiet (quieter than bfg ta Ko) and required just basic plastic trimming, no regearing necessary for now.

Sure id love to run the Toyo mt tires but to maintain the same wide look it'll have to be at least 35s, $2500+ in a new diff setup to do it right, and exceeding the limits of the stock steering rack, icon suspension height, etc.

Sizing matters. Aesthetics matter. Use case all matters. If they offer the new rts in a 13" wide 33" tire I'm all over it. I honestly wish they were still all made in japan.

Toyo>nitto

 

[JB.]

Nitto looks like a normal AT to me. Who's calling it a hybrid?

Not nearly as much void as duratrac, especially in the shoulders. Doesn't mean it's not a better tire for most people, but I don't see any MT DNA.

 

[gm350reratliff]

5mpg? Either math is a challenge or someone is surreptitiously hitching sacks of pure mercury into every nook and cranny of your rig.

It's all a concession. If you want durability and aggressive looks no at tire can beat the mt. If you want to maximize fuel efficiency and you mall crawl all day with no regard to bad arse lifted truck looks then stick with stock tires. If you're somewhere in between, then you've got a litany of choices.

I love my at2 xtreme Toyos. My 325/60s look great, ride quiet (quieter than bfg ta Ko) and required just basic plastic trimming, no regearing necessary for now.

Sure id love to run the Toyo mt tires but to maintain the same wide look it'll have to be at least 35s, $2500+ in a new diff setup to do it right, and exceeding the limits of the stock steering rack, icon suspension height, etc.

Sizing matters. Aesthetics matter. Use case all matters. If they offer the new rts in a 13" wide 33" tire I'm all over it. I honestly wish they were still all made in japan.

Toyo>nitto

Yeah, I was surprised too because my truck didn't feel any slower. I expected 1 or 2 but 5 really surprised me. This was on a tuned '12 F150 ecoboost. Didn't really seem to matter if the tuner was in or not, although, big difference on power between having it tuned or not. I guess the Toyos in the 285/65/18 size are just loud. They are louder than my buddy's 285/75/17s toyo extreme.

In that side by side pic, the Nitto looks like a more highway friendly version of the duratrac. I'll be interested in how these tires will actually perform.

 

[pbcolt]

For those who might be interested, just got this from Toyo:

Thank you for contacting Toyo Tires USA. The new Open Country RT will be available September 2nd with limited sizing. We will be offer two sizes in 17" which are LT285/70R17 121 E/10 and 35x12.50R17LT 121 E/10 with six other sizes in 18" and 20" tire sizes.