New brakes ALL AROUND at 21,500 miles???

I have an 05 V8 SE. Ok, I'm not a mechanic but something tells me that I shouldn't need new brake pads, front and back, after 21,500 miles. I originally replied to someone elses post on this forum but I didn't want to hijack their post so I made my own. I was told that they are all wearing evenly but they are worn down. What would cause this? The only other thing the dealer told me was that the calipers were rusted. This is due to our wonderful Central NY winters with TONS of salt. Should I be calling Toyota about this?
 
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Rust on the calipers has nothing to do with wearing down the pads. Rust on the ROTORS will. If you park and your rotors get wetted down/ salt water washed every night, you wil have a layer of rust on the surface when you leave the next morning. This rough rust will wear down the pads fast until it wears off through the day.

Basically, if the pads are wearing evenly, then the calipers had nothing to do with it, means the sliders are moving freely. Only when you see, the inside pad (one against the piston, wearing, but not the outside pad, or both pads are worn at an angle, usually indicating one slider is stuck and the other is free, twisting the caliper, would the caliper itself be suspect.

For the record, I got 133K miles on my FACTORY pads on my 96 Acura Integra GSR, changed them out last summer, still had the factory yellow torque stripe over the rotor screws, and factory Nissin pads. Rotors just needed to be surfaced/trued again. That car went away to make room for the 4Runner. I miss that car :(
 
That's wierd that both f/r need replacing. Did you check yourself or are you just going by the word of the mechanic? Normally the fronts wear faster than the rear because the fronts do most of the braking work.
 
This is actually from 2 different dealerships. I just asked the one to look at them when they were doing some other service and they told me the same thing as the other dealer so I don't think they are raking me over the coals. I just can't believe they would wear down that quickly. They will also be resurfacing the rotors as they don't believe I need new ones. I just can't believe it, a $35K car and I need to sink $600 just a little over 2 years later for brakes. Whats the benefit of OEM brakes then? Why don't I just go for the cheapos at my local mechanic?
 
If you're paying 600 bucks to get new pads and turn the rotors, all I have to ask, is if they are using any lube when they take turns bending you over, or are they going to dip their salami in sand first before pounding you from behind??????? :awais:

Holy mother of crap!!! I can do all four brakes on any of my vehicles, using Wagner Thermo-Quiet pads or Hawk pads, WITH turning my rotors, for less than $150. I would kill myself If I paid $600 for a brake job!!!! I would fee like I was raping someone myself if I charged $300 for that work. I do brakes for my whole family now as some of them got ass raped like that a few times as well. If you lived near here I'd do them for you and save you a TON of money. You need to go elsewhere, that's about $400-500 profit they're making off you. Brakes only take maybe an hour to do at best, and being 4 wheel disc, it's even easier still!!! And that's doing it on jack stands in the driveway, I could do a brake job in 45 minutes on a frame contact lift. Only thing that takes time is the lathe to turn the rotors....

Sorry to go on, just pisses me off to hear people getting ripped off like that. Makes honest mechianics like myself mad because people start off not trusting us because of crap like this with other places.......
 
We dont call em Stealerships for nothing. These guys see that you're asking questions that make you seem like you don't know sh*t, so they go and use that to their advantage. They will do what ever it takes to get what they can from you since you don't know a wrench from a screwdriver.

21K miles will not even put a dent on the factory pads.... unless you tow or brake going downhill every single day since you had the truck.

Sorry for being harsh, but its reality.
 
Anyone have any suggestions as to where I should take it for brakes if not the stealership? I do a lot of city driving so I thought that maybe the constant everyday stopping and going was doing something. Maybe I will look around but the only mechanic places that we have around here are the chain shops and they are just as bad at raping as the stealership is. Any suggestions I would be willing to take...
 
If I lived in NY, I would drop by and help you take a look at it, and even swap out your pads for you if needed at a fraction of the cost the stealer is charging you. **can't forget the beer** :beer:

Any mechanically inclined NY members out there should help this brother out.

I wouldn't trust any shops at all if you don't know what you're getting into. It's either hit or miss going with some shop you have absolutely no reccomendation on.
 
I wore out my front pads in 20K miles (I am hard on brakes) but the rears were OK. I replaced the pads (OEM) and did not cut the rotors and everything is fine. If the brakes are not pulsating or vibrating and look smooth do not cut the rotors. Despite what some mechanics think, you do not have to cut the rotors every time you change the pads. You could just scuff the rotors with some emery cloth (sandpaper) to help bed the pads properly. If you catch (replace) the pads before they wear too low the rotors can last a long time without cutting them. They will not last long at all if you cut them.

Koz
 
My front brakes were replaced around 30k and I think they were good for another few thousand. I was already doing some work so I figured I'd tackle that too. The rears look fine and I don't see having to replace them for a long time...
 
I just had my front pads and calipers changed after 37,000 miles and I am still running on the original rear pads and calipers.
 
Hmmm, I will have to ask the mechanic at the stealership how I could have already gone through the back pads as well as it seems most of the braking should be done from the front. I did tow at one point with it and it was from Mass to NY, about 5-6 hours. But that was the only time so I can't see how that may have worn them down prematurely. I'll see what they say about not resurfacing the rotors and just replacing the pads. They told me I have about another 1-2 oil changes left in them, so 3000-6000 miles but I didn't want to start getting into the rotors. I mean how hard is it to replace pads yourself?
 
I could see if you were REALLY hard on brakes, the front pads could be toast that quickly.

The rears needing a full overhaul that quickly tho? Hrmmmm, that would be surprizing....
 
Usually I go through 2-3 sets of front pads before I have to touch the rears. My Acura at 133K miles, the fronts finally wore down to the squeaker, but the rears were still about 50%. I did replace the whole set just because I had gotten 133K out of them honestly. had it been 50K or so, I would have just done the fronts. But I figured I'd gotten my money's worth lol.


And to the guy that had his calipers replaced, you got ripped off too. You NEVER replace calipers unless they are damaged. If one is wearing uneven, you simply clean the slides and re-grease them, check for any burrs and polish those off, and slap them mo-fo's back on. Calipers only need to be replaced if the seals begin to leak and a new piston/seal wont fix it (possibly a score in the cylinder bore), or if they become physically damaged in some way from a wreck or offroading damage.


Really amazes me to hear what people pay to have done to their cars, when alot of this stuff is basic maintenance items. I can see having a tranny fixed at a shop, or internal engine work, or electrical diagnosis. But brakes? Anyone with a vehicle should know how to rotate tires, service the brakes, replace belts, hoses, and filters, change oil, and replace spark plugs/wires/cap/rotor. This generation of people my age (29) and younger, and some older, are a generation of "Pay to have it done" and either can't or won't learn how to do it themselves. It's great for me as a mechanic, I make tons of money off folks that need simple shit done that they could do in ten minutes themselves. But still, sad at the same time, knowing they could save alot of money if they just took the time to learn. Just an odd world it's becoming it seems when it comes to mechanical knowledge....
 
RamThis said:
Usually I go through 2-3 sets of front pads before I have to touch the rears. My Acura at 133K miles, the fronts finally wore down to the squeaker, but the rears were still about 50%. I did replace the whole set just because I had gotten 133K out of them honestly. had it been 50K or so, I would have just done the fronts. But I figured I'd gotten my money's worth lol.


And to the guy that had his calipers replaced, you got ripped off too. You NEVER replace calipers unless they are damaged. If one is wearing uneven, you simply clean the slides and re-grease them, check for any burrs and polish those off, and slap them mo-fo's back on. Calipers only need to be replaced if the seals begin to leak and a new piston/seal wont fix it (possibly a score in the cylinder bore), or if they become physically damaged in some way from a wreck or offroading damage.


Really amazes me to hear what people pay to have done to their cars, when alot of this stuff is basic maintenance items. I can see having a tranny fixed at a shop, or internal engine work, or electrical diagnosis. But brakes? Anyone with a vehicle should know how to rotate tires, service the brakes, replace belts, hoses, and filters, change oil, and replace spark plugs/wires/cap/rotor. This generation of people my age (29) and younger, and some older, are a generation of "Pay to have it done" and either can't or won't learn how to do it themselves. It's great for me as a mechanic, I make tons of money off folks that need simple shit done that they could do in ten minutes themselves. But still, sad at the same time, knowing they could save alot of money if they just took the time to learn. Just an odd world it's becoming it seems when it comes to mechanical knowledge....

Jeas, I guess being a mechanic I would do all my own stuff myself as well. I don't need to get in there and "attempt" to replace my breakpads and really f*** it up and not have my brakes work. I am 29 y/o and do many DIY work on my home but not my car. I guess if someone would show me how to do it that would be one story but to get in there without knowing a damn thing about it, no thanks. I would rather buy piece of mind, but thats my opinion. I don't have anyone around me that knows how to do this type of work.
 
scott78945 said:
Jeas, I guess being a mechanic I would do all my own stuff myself as well. I don't need to get in there and "attempt" to replace my breakpads and really f*** it up and not have my brakes work. I am 29 y/o and do many DIY work on my home but not my car. I guess if someone would show me how to do it that would be one story but to get in there without knowing a damn thing about it, no thanks. I would rather buy piece of mind, but thats my opinion. I don't have anyone around me that knows how to do this type of work.


Buy a Hayne's manual or a Factory Service Manual from the dealership, but the FSM is usually pretty pricey (100-200 bucks) and they are not really geared toward the beginner, they assume you know basics/intermediate mechanics. The Haynes manual is for the DIY newbie and is pretty detailed on step by step instructions for simpler mechanical jobs like brakes, belts, hoses, alternators, ignition systems, water pumps, etc.

Like I said earlier though, If you lived down here, I'd definitely help you out. I just hate to see someone pay tons of money to a shop is all. Ask around your job to see if anyone there is a car junkie and would help, or ask your friends if they know someone, and offer em a benjamin to come do your brakes while you help. I've shown many folks how to do their brakes before and they are amazed at how simple it really is when they see it done once and have it explained to them on the "why this and why that" aspect of each thing you do.

If not, then I guess the stealership is your only option, as much as it hurts even me to admit it....
 
Thanks for the info. I'll check out the Haynes manual as that appears to be my best bet. I'll have to check around work as you suggested. Are all car makers the same? What I mean is does a specific car maker have different ways of installing brakes?
 
scott78945 said:
Thanks for the info. I'll check out the Haynes manual as that appears to be my best bet. I'll have to check around work as you suggested. Are all car makers the same? What I mean is does a specific car maker have different ways of installing brakes?

It varies slightly from car to car with various nuances to the braking systems. Some calipers may disconnect or "slide" off differently, but basically all disc brakes are the same. I've replaced pads on several different vehicles over the years, I even did my mom's last summer (she trusts NO ONE with her cars) with good results. All you need for tools are basic sockets/wrenches, a C-clamp, a pry tool, (screw driver typically works) and if replacing rotors, a bfh and a torch can be helpful if those buggers are stuck or rusted to the mating surface. I live in MN (salt, salt, salt) so my rotors are stuck every time, it seems. But I'm an engineer (25) so I pretty much figure out on the fly and usually get good results (I'd be a lousy engineer if I couldn't). Now to my house... :bash:

edit: My truck recently turned 40k. I did maintenance today, and when rotating the tires the pads had about 40-50% left, front and rear. IDK if they were replaced once already (I bought it used in Dec. w/ 29k) but if they weren't I don't get why mine seem to last longer than most people's.:confused:
 
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scott78945 said:
..They told me I have about another 1-2 oil changes left in them, so 3000-6000 miles but I didn't want to start getting into the rotors..

You could pull a wheel from the front and maybe the back and take a pic like one or both of these. Then the forum could give you a better opinion. These are with almost 30k miles. First one is the front.

4runnerbrakes2.jpg~original


4runnerbrakes1.jpg~original
 
scott78945 said:
Are all car makers the same? What I mean is does a specific car maker have different ways of installing brakes?

It depends on the brakes. Floating calipers are easier to work with, IMO, because there are usually two slide bolts that hold the caliper on to the bracket and two more bolts that attach the bracket to the spindle. Once the caliper is off and the pads are replaced, the caliper piston just needs to be clamped back in to clear the new thicker pads.

The 4Runner has 4-piston fixed calipers. I haven't done the brakes on a vehicle with fixed calipers before. For fixed calipers it usually involves removing some clips and the pins. The pads should then be able to be slid out of the calipers.
 

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