New Falken AT tire (A/T3W)

[jhguth]

Is that about a 10lb difference a tire? I thought I remembered the C rated wildpeaks to be even heavier than the E. You don’t notice any difference in weight from the KO2s to the wildpeaks in terms of weight or acceleration?

you can notice the weight and size difference a little on acceleration, but they still ride smoother than the KO2s and C-range tires are much better matched to the 4runner than e-range IMO

 

[jhguth]

I might look into the 275's for my TRD Pro. I'm assuming these will fit with minor trimming??

i pushed the fenders as far forward as i could, i still rub a little but at full lock or full flex but it's rubber on plastic rubbing so i don't worry about it. at some point i'll get in there with a heat gun to push out the rubbing spots, just haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

[mustangr2]

Just did another rotation on mine. Almost have 45k and still pretty of wear left. Will say mine haven’t seen a ton off road use though.

 

[SnowYeti]

How much offroading are you doing in the winter? I have a set of Nokian Hakkapeliitta 9 studded winter tires on and they do just fine for light trails. I've run them down as low as 20 psi without a de-bead several times.

Those are the exact tires I was looking at. Very little off-roading in winter, though Moab trips happen. Do you love the Nokia tires in the snow and ice?

 

[MAST4R]

It may depend on your local DT. They price matched my tires in the past on screen shots only, but I’ve been a long time customer so that may play a role.

Also, I agree the KO2 is underwhelming but I know the weight of the LT-C is appealing to you. Is the weight of the LT-C Wildpeaks keeping you away from considering giving those a try?


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the LT-C wildpeaks are incredibly comfortable on road, i wanted an LT tire for offroad but hate how e-range tires feel on the 4runner so I got the C range wildpeaks despite the weight and they ride really well

I previously had C-range KO2's in 265/70 and now have C-range wildpeaks in 275/70 and despite being bigger and heavier i strongly prefer and recommend them over the KO2s, they were much easier to balance, ride smoother on-road, and are significantly better than the KO2s on wet asphalt.

Going from stock p tires to the KO2's I lost ~1mpg, but going from KO2s to the wildpeaks i haven't seen a noticeable change in mpg (it has to be a little bit worse just because of physics, but it's not enough of a difference that i can see it)

Yeah, I know. The LTC KO2 for me would be last resort in case I absolutely cannot stand the ATZ P3 or the Yoko X-AT on road.

The two reasons I have not considered the LTC Widlpeak are:

lack of extra tread ply and weight. Also, I have it in writing from Falken that in their opinion it is not stronger than the SL Wildpeak for offroad purposes.

I think that the deeper tread will inevitably make it more puncture resistant in the tread area but the LTC KO2 has the same 3-ply heavy duty polyester casing as the LTD/E, just not the 3 ply sidewall.

Also, rain rarely is a thing for us, basically only when we travel out of state.

But yeah, the LTC Wildpeak does have advantages: lasts a long time, has better traction on and off road, and is 32.4" tall...

Hopefully, it won't come to a Plan B.

 

[Decipher]

I’m close to starting my Wildpeak MT/01 thread as I’m rolling into 500 miles and Mother Nature has finally tossed us some snow. As of now, I can note a marginal, at best, difference between my AT3Ws (and those who have read know I’ve ran two sets of these) and the MT/01 in snow and ice. That’s saying something since the AT3W is mountain snowflake rated and the other is, well, an MT.


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[jhguth]

Yeah, I know. The LTC KO2 for me would be last resort in case I absolutely cannot stand the ATZ P3 or the Yoko X-AT on road.

The two reasons I have not considered the LTC Widlpeak are:

lack of extra tread ply and weight. Also, I have it in writing from Falken that in their opinion it is not stronger than the SL Wildpeak for offroad purposes.

I think that the deeper tread will inevitably make it more puncture resistant in the tread area but the LTC KO2 has the same 3-ply heavy duty polyester casing as the LTD/E, just not the 3 ply sidewall.

Also, rain rarely is a thing for us, basically only when we travel out of state.

But yeah, the LTC Wildpeak does have advantages: lasts a long time, has better traction on and off road, and is 32.4" tall...

Hopefully, it won't come to a Plan B.

how the hell is an LT tire not better offroad than an SL, it has a much more durable construction

 

[DallasTRDPro]

I believe the general consensus is that 275s fit with no mods needed or if any minor. Each rig is a little different though and keep in mind the wildpeaks run slightly larger than other tires of the same size.

Does it matter that I have a Pro??

 

[MAST4R]

how the hell is an LT tire not better offroad than an SL, it has a much more durable construction

Beaten that horse too many times. Ask Falken. I have asked BFG and Toyo as well. I agree that traditionally Ps were too weak and almost all remain highly suspect in LT application. But the whole point of the Wildpeak experiment for me was to see if current design P have become stronger. Well, the SL Wildpeak is a strong tire. But not strong enough for the harshest terrains.

Per BFG what matters is extra plies. They would not explicitly call the LTC KO2 weaker than the LTD/LTE but they did say that an extra ply is what gives extra strength (sidewall ply in this case).

Nobody in the industry I have talked to considers load capability at high psi as directly related to offroad strength. Sure, most people on forums swear that LTE should be stronger than an LTC let alone SL but everyone I talked to within the industry speaks of extra strength coming from extra plies.

They also refute the argument that more weight/more material necessarily means more puncture resistance.

As for Toyo, when I gave them my offroad mileage and types of terrain, they simply recommended I buy their commercial traction tire.

And indeed that's the direction I am going though not with the Toyo CT (too pricey and even more weight!).

Since I have no way to know this from an engineering standpoint, all I can do is to fall on experience and that says that the Wildpeak can handle anything in SL when having 10/32nds of tread or more. The problem is that this is about 10,000 miles. As they get worn the tread blocks no longer stop the sharp edges of rocks from finding the large and unprotected by rock ejectors voids between. SO, if Falken are right and the LTC is similar, then it should be quite reliable for 30-40,000 miles because it starts with deeper tread and wears more slowly than SL.

 

[jhguth]

Beaten that horse too many times. Ask Falken. I have asked BFG and Toyo as well. I agree that traditionally Ps were too weak and almost all remain highly suspect in LT application. But the whole point of the Wildpeak experiment for me was to see if current design P have become stronger. Well, the SL Wildpeak is a strong tire. But not strong enough for the harshest terrains.

Per BFG what matters is extra plies. They would not explicitly call the LTC KO2 weaker than the LTD/LTE but they did say that an extra ply is what gives extra strength (sidewall ply in this case).

Nobody in the industry I have talked to considers load capability at high psi as directly related to offroad strength. Sure, most people on forums swear that LTE should be stronger than an LTC let alone SL but everyone I talked to within the industry speaks of extra strength coming from extra plies.

They also refute the argument that more weight/more material necessarily means more puncture resistance.

As for Toyo, when I gave them my offroad mileage and types of terrain, they simply recommended I buy their commercial traction tire.

And indeed that's the direction I am going though not with the Toyo CT (too pricey and even more weight!).

Since I have no way to know this from an engineering standpoint, all I can do is to fall on experience and that says that the Wildpeak can handle anything in SL when having 10/32nds of tread or more. The problem is that this is about 10,000 miles. As they get worn the tread blocks no longer stop the sharp edges of rocks from finding the large and unprotected by rock ejectors voids between. SO, if Falken are right and the LTC is similar, then it should be quite reliable for 30-40,000 miles because it starts with deeper tread and wears more slowly than SL.

the heavier construction and additional ply's increases puncture resistance and sidewall strength, and I don't believe you that any tire manufacturer told you differently

an LT tire at full pressure is probably as good at puncture resistance as a P-tire aired down, when you air down the LT tire it will be significantly better than the P-tire.

checkout this video:
YouTube

in this example they had to drop the p-tire to 14PSI to have similar performance to the LT tire at street pressure. At moderate pressures the LT tire was significantly better than the P-tire, and the E-range LT tire even better than that.

or another video (note: the 2 tires on the right side of the chart are p-tires):
YouTube

etc...

you can decide if the p-tire is good enough for your needs, but don't believe that it is as good as an LT-tire offroad

 

[angerbot]

Those are the exact tires I was looking at. Very little off-roading in winter, though Moab trips happen. Do you love the Nokia tires in the snow and ice?

Yeah, they're fantastic. Not as aggressive as an ice racing tire but they're great on the street. I live in the Rockies near Banff and the roads here are icy for much of the winter, especially in town.

Wouldn't do Moab with them though, I'd be worried about the studs wearing prematurely on rock.

 

[Decipher]

Beaten that horse too many times. Ask Falken. I have asked BFG and Toyo as well. I agree that traditionally Ps were too weak and almost all remain highly suspect in LT application. But the whole point of the Wildpeak experiment for me was to see if current design P have become stronger. Well, the SL Wildpeak is a strong tire. But not strong enough for the harshest terrains.

Per BFG what matters is extra plies. They would not explicitly call the LTC KO2 weaker than the LTD/LTE but they did say that an extra ply is what gives extra strength (sidewall ply in this case).

Nobody in the industry I have talked to considers load capability at high psi as directly related to offroad strength. Sure, most people on forums swear that LTE should be stronger than an LTC let alone SL but everyone I talked to within the industry speaks of extra strength coming from extra plies.

They also refute the argument that more weight/more material necessarily means more puncture resistance.

As for Toyo, when I gave them my offroad mileage and types of terrain, they simply recommended I buy their commercial traction tire.

And indeed that's the direction I am going though not with the Toyo CT (too pricey and even more weight!).

Since I have no way to know this from an engineering standpoint, all I can do is to fall on experience and that says that the Wildpeak can handle anything in SL when having 10/32nds of tread or more. The problem is that this is about 10,000 miles. As they get worn the tread blocks no longer stop the sharp edges of rocks from finding the large and unprotected by rock ejectors voids between. SO, if Falken are right and the LTC is similar, then it should be quite reliable for 30-40,000 miles because it starts with deeper tread and wears more slowly than SL.

I’m quoting this because it’s worth reading again for anyone who hasn’t. This is incredibly solid information and should be considered by anyone interested in actually running their rig off-road.


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[TRD PANTHER]

Does it matter that I have a Pro??

You will not have any problems on the Pro as the front is one inch higher than the other 4Runners and they have the fender liner mod done at the port. I ran 275-70-17 KO2’s on mine when stock without issues.

 

[DenverTiger504]

I just went from 285/70/17 KO2 C Load to 265/70/17 AT3W SL. Noticeable difference with power and acceleration. MPGs have improved on the highway significantly. However, I am not seeing any difference in the city. The SL Falken is very impressive on snow packed roads. I am currently trying different PSIs starting with 38 for my stock weight. I just dropped to 35 and things do feel smoother. I will probably try 33 next. As far as comparing on road ride quality, I feel the same imperfections in my routes with the Falkens as before with the KO2, but the “hit” of the imperfections is not as stiff.

 

[MAST4R]

I just went from 285/70/17 KO2 C Load to 265/70/17 AT3W SL. Noticeable difference with power and acceleration. MPGs have improved on the highway significantly. However, I am not seeing any difference in the city. The SL Falken is very impressive on snow packed roads. I am currently trying different PSIs starting with 38 for my stock weight. I just dropped to 35 and things do feel smoother. I will probably try 33 next. As far as comparing on road ride quality, I feel the same imperfections in my routes with the Falkens as before with the KO2, but the “hit” of the imperfections is not as stiff.

Are you running the 600lb springs? My SL Wildpeaks were perfect with those at 32 psi. But my current combo of 6112 on 650 springs and LTE ATZ P3 at 35 works better for comfort on road than 6112 on 650 springs and SL Wildpeaks at 30. Go figure. My guess is that the heavier weight plays better with the heavier duty suspension.

The 600lb springs are very soft with the 6112 and they made for a fantastic ride quality at 32 psi for me with the SL Falkens. But they were too soft offroad for my use.

 

[DenverTiger504]

Are you running the 600lb springs? My SL Wildpeaks were perfect with those at 32 psi. But my current combo of 6112 on 650 springs and LTE ATZ P3 at 35 works better for comfort on road than 6112 on 650 springs and SL Wildpeaks at 30. Go figure. My guess is that the heavier weight plays better with the heavier duty suspension.

The 600lb springs are very soft with the 6112 and they made for a fantastic ride quality at 32 psi for me with the SL Falkens. But they were too soft offroad for my use.

Thanks for the info. Yep, I am running the 600# spring on the 6112s at the 6th clip. I will give 32psi a shot to see what it feels like to compare and I will report back. I did not have any issues with my slow speed off-roading at stock weight with the KO2s, but I can see how speed and additional weight could cause some issues with the SL Falkens paired with the 600# spring.

 

[ForRun]

Discount matched Walmart/ amazon currently $123.00 - stock size

 

[SnowYeti]

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How to you like the 255s?

 

[RedRunner_87]

How to you like the 255s?

So far I have no complaints what-so-ever with them. They have performed really well. My only complaint would be, I wish there were more tire options with the 255's.

 

[obxbird]

Just got my 265/70R17's put on last week and so far I like them a lot. Im running 36psi in them and it seems to be a perfect pressure. What are you all running in yours?