New Magnuson TVS1320 Available for 3rd Gens

[SocalRunner15]

I imagine the high gear low rpm ping will still be a problem. I'd not plan to run this on stock setup without a piggyback to take some timing out at lower RPM and boost at a minimum.

I'm dealing with so many S/C related issues on my 2000 limited... superchargers are nice...but they have their issues...

 

[SocalRunner15]

He's been supercharged the entire time though. That's a major difference over being n/a for 300k+ miles then deciding to throw boost at it
I remember some user on here put on a s/c at around 300k, and despite his compression checking out great beforehand, it only lasted 10k miles before the motor cracked a head/blew a head gasket and killed itself

It's a gamble flat-out, no other way to put it. It's a risky maneuver that might pay out well, or it might screw you severely, and there's no way to find out unless you do it. Doing a compression test will at least give you an idea on the life of your piston rings and valve sealing, and whether or not you even have a fighting chance, but things like the integrity of your head gaskets and transmission are all still up in the air and just as crucial
It's a good sign it runs less boost than before and will reduce all this strain slightly, but is it low enough to be negligible for your car? Who knows, that's part of the gamble. People like to say "it's not permanent, you can take it off if you have problems" but that only goes so far and really doesn't help you with any serious damage that can happen
If it's not your only vehicle and you can afford an engine/trans swap worst-case-scenario, I'd say do it anyways. Otherwise I'd really think twice. I'm at 317k and have been wanting to add a s/c for a while now but this is my only vehicle and it would really suck to blow it up, so I'm playing it safe and staying n/a. Which really sucks, but doesn't suck as bad as buying a new car. I've heard some people say they're much harder on the trans than the engine, and idk how much I believe that since the A340F is pretty damn stout, but it was still enough to spook me

With this kind of stuff...you have to be ready to swap out an engine or transmission (or even two or three).....

For pure longevity....i think the consensus is that NA is the way to go...

 

[Speedy]

I don't know how people have problems with these superchargers on the 3.4L. I've never had the first problem with mine and haven't done all the extra stuff everyone says is required like larger fuel pump, etc. Stock fuel pump, stock transmission, and it's been like that for 20 years. What are people doing that's giving them trouble?

I can see if someone doesn't understand the theory of operation and how it impacts engine tuning causing some trouble. I tuned mine myself after doing research to understand how it works.

 

[anniesball72]

URD to support new supercharger

I emailed Gadget at URD aobut the new TVS supercharger.

Here is our discussion:

In the future they will provide different pulley sizes.
The 7th injector for the TVS is slightly different With a different tune and larger injector.
Here is out email:
Yes, we have a new version of our 7th injector kit for the new TVS supercharger.

We also have the SUPER COMBO with the new supercharge and our updated 7th injector kit.

Yes, will run lean as hell without fueling and tuning. Stays right at 14:1 AFR all the way to redline.

You can use your old 7th injector kit. Will need a new calibration file and a larger injector to replace the one you have.

We are making higher boost pulleys. Stock is 75mm. We hope to have 70mm ready this week and 65mm coming soon.

Attached is the dyno results from Gadget. 01-Tacoma-URD-7th-TVS-800 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB

I think I'm going to get one and sell my TRD.

 

[gamefreakgc]

I emailed Gadget at URD aobut the new TVS supercharger.

Here is our discussion:

In the future they will provide different pulley sizes.
The 7th injector for the TVS is slightly different With a different tune and larger injector.
Here is out email:
Yes, we have a new version of our 7th injector kit for the new TVS supercharger.

We also have the SUPER COMBO with the new supercharge and our updated 7th injector kit.

Yes, will run lean as hell without fueling and tuning. Stays right at 14:1 AFR all the way to redline.

You can use your old 7th injector kit. Will need a new calibration file and a larger injector to replace the one you have.

We are making higher boost pulleys. Stock is 75mm. We hope to have 70mm ready this week and 65mm coming soon.

Attached is the dyno results from Gadget. 01-Tacoma-URD-7th-TVS-800 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB

I think I'm going to get one and sell my TRD.

Ah he got his dynos done. I wonder of the 75mm and 70mm are swapped on the chart or if he's still having a hard time getting those tunes figured out. A tune for the TRD S/C does not work on the TVS1320 S/C, they flow air very differently. The TVS1320 has a much higher CFM than the TRD which is more ideal for the engine size that we have.

 

[Bad Luck]

That's interesting that the 70mm pulley dyno'd less hp and torque vs the stock 75mm pulley. I wish it showed the boost pressure as well in the graphs.

 

[anniesball72]

7th tune

Ah he got his dynos done. I wonder of the 75mm and 70mm are swapped on the chart or if he's still having a hard time getting those tunes figured out. A tune for the TRD S/C does not work on the TVS1320 S/C, they flow air very differently. The TVS1320 has a much higher CFM than the TRD which is more ideal for the engine size that we have.

Yes, Gadget said the 7th is programmed with a different tune. In addition he said the TRD 7th can sent to them and they can download a new tune. In addition the larger injector will be available for purchase.

 

[jross20]

Unfortunately I'm sure I'm the odd one out, but I just cannot comprehend how this is worth $4,000.

There's just no way it cost that much to build these...

 

[Devbot]

Unfortunately I'm sure I'm the odd one out, but I just cannot comprehend how this is worth $4,000.

There's just no way it cost that much to build these...

Its back-end pricing with consideration to the general supply and demand. Both research and development and generally operating a machine shop costs a lot of money, and they have to recoup it somehow in a limited market. Not uncommon at all - even big fish like DuPont actively do this with their products even though they're rolling in it.

 

[Speedy]

$4K for a supercharger is relatively cheap based on what I see for other platforms. Typically $7K - $9K depending on options but those are V8 applications.

 

[anniesball72]

Sell supercharger

If you own a TRD supercharger, Magnusson will buy it back from you or you could easily sell it on FB market place or Craigslist.

So if you sell your current supercharger that would offset the $4000 for the new one. Make the upgrade relatively cheap.

Correction, Jon Bond Performance will buy your old supercharger

 

[Fireball]

is the 4k an all in price? Does that include everything you need for install?

sounds pretty reasonable if they're as reliable as the OEM trd units.

 

[anniesball72]

is the 4k an all in price? Does that include everything you need for install?

sounds pretty reasonable if they're as reliable as the OEM trd units.

96-04 Toyota Tacoma, 4-Runner, Tundra, T100 3.4L Supercharger Kit – Jon Bond Performance LLC

Yes the price includes everything except the 7th injector.

 

[diverscale]

people saying 4000 is way too much, have not tuned anything in their lives and gained significant, reliable power from it (we're not talking simple exhaust and air intake here, and even then, sometimes you are half of that).

At today's prices of everything, I personally see 4000$ for a full, good quality SC kit as a sweet deal of both appreciable gain of power and simplicity of execution. It's not like it was a requirement for the 4runner to have that, I pull well over 4000lbs with the 4runner no problem, and unloaded, it can go as fast as one would need. It's a luxury.

 

[96RedRunner]

Dyno chart some rough math prices out around $66/HP that's not bad at all for the effort.
https://i0.wp.com/www.jonbondperfor...3.4l_2048x.webp?fit=1118,797&quality=80&ssl=1

 

[Romeo1]

So is there a consensus yet? What's the better setup assuming stock pulleys? New TVS blower, or old m62 blower?

 

[gamefreakgc]

So is there a consensus yet? What's the better setup assuming stock pulleys? New TVS blower, or old m62 blower?

Stock pulleys with no extra fuel the make about the same amount of power but the new TVS runs even leaner. Not really recommended without adding more fuel and a way to control it.

By the first 6 months of 2024 you'll be able to pick up used M62 blowers for cheap. I'd wait a bit and get a used unit. Could buy a used unit, 7th injector, and rebuild it and still be ahead in both cost and power than just the single new TVS1320 blower that runs lean.

 

[Romeo1]

Stock pulleys with no extra fuel the make about the same amount of power but the new TVS runs even leaner. Not really recommended without adding more fuel and a way to control it.

By the first 6 months of 2024 you'll be able to pick up used M62 blowers for cheap. I'd wait a bit and get a used unit. Could buy a used unit, 7th injector, and rebuild it and still be ahead in both cost and power than just the single new TVS1320 blower that runs lean.

I'm a bit torn on this one. Toyota and Magnuson say bolt it on and go enjoy.

Everyone else says you can't, but they run an lamda/afr gauge of some sort, whatever diameter of pulley they have, and all say it's too lean.....

Then the Facebook hive mind seems to say the older m62 setup is better?

Is there actually any evidence out there of someone frying their 5VZ with a stock pulley setup from not running any additional parts like rising rate pressure regulators or different pumps to up the afr assuming a stock pulley? Seems like there's a disconnect in the internet between what Toyota and what Magnuson say and what everyone else says. One side side ran a stock m62 for 20 years and it's perfect. The other side seems to have a bag of parts, tuning for and other systems days, and who knows what else.

It's just difficult for me to know who to believe. Regarding m62 vs tvs1320, to move a similar mass air flow or greater than before at a lower pressure ratio to atmosphere seems like a great thing.

I've been waiting a while for the new tvs setup. I'm just dumbfounded by everyone not saying it's better. Less heat, better bearing setup, and a more efficient compressor map all seem like a win to me.

I haven't ran a tvs 1320 on a 5vz and I certainly haven't sat there and watched actual brake specific fuel consumption on one on a dyno, so I have no real experience draw from. Only what the internet tells me.

 

[96RedRunner]

Samuel L Jackson's Jurassic Park line when rebooting central control system "Hold on to your Shorts".
Interesting times all upside in next few months TVS1320 will get worked out M62's moving in the market.
My 01 drivetrain questionable as is start from scratch, donor Trans is done n bagged.
Donor Engine I'm tinkering, rotating assembly done Multi-bal 5000, heads & intake work in progress.

 

[gamefreakgc]

I'm a bit torn on this one. Toyota and Magnuson say bolt it on and go enjoy.

Everyone else says you can't, but they run an lamda/afr gauge of some sort, whatever diameter of pulley they have, and all say it's too lean.....

Then the Facebook hive mind seems to say the older m62 setup is better?

Is there actually any evidence out there of someone frying their 5VZ with a stock pulley setup from not running any additional parts like rising rate pressure regulators or different pumps to up the afr assuming a stock pulley? Seems like there's a disconnect in the internet between what Toyota and what Magnuson say and what everyone else says. One side side ran a stock m62 for 20 years and it's perfect. The other side seems to have a bag of parts, tuning for and other systems days, and who knows what else.

It's just difficult for me to know who to believe. Regarding m62 vs tvs1320, to move a similar mass air flow or greater than before at a lower pressure ratio to atmosphere seems like a great thing.

I've been waiting a while for the new tvs setup. I'm just dumbfounded by everyone not saying it's better. Less heat, better bearing setup, and a more efficient compressor map all seem like a win to me.

I haven't ran a tvs 1320 on a 5vz and I certainly haven't sat there and watched actual brake specific fuel consumption on one on a dyno, so I have no real experience draw from. Only what the internet tells me.

Yeah there is a lot of conflicting information out there and a whole lot of bad opinions. Hopefully this helps:

For the TRD M62 (1st & 2nd gen S/C) - It can be run as-is, bolt on with no immediate ill effects. Mine was supercharged for at least 100K miles before I bought it with nothing else but the supercharger as I met the guy who installed it on my 4Runner at the Auburn CA Toyota dealership. He was surprised it was doing so well after all those years. That's consistent with what Steven (Gadget) at URD has also said, you can run it just as it is and be ok but it's not ideal. It does run lean but the engine can take it. There is a point where it's not ok as I know others that have burnt and cracked exhaust valves if you drive like you stole it every day. It can be repaired so it's not a death sentence but it's not great either. Also puts extra heat stress on the automatic transmission.

For TVS1320 (3rd gen S/C) - URD has shown data that it runs even leaner that the M62 as they did some apples to apples dyno testing on a single vehicle. Remember, the M62 already ran lean. Now it is even leaner which increases engine and combustion temperatures to high levels. That means burning valves faster, hotter coolant than before and hotter exhaust. Eventually something will break, could be in a few thousand miles or you could get lucky and take years. I don't know of anyone that is recommending the TVS1320 to be 100% bolt on ready. It requires more fuel.

URD has more research and time invested in the 5VZ-FE than any other aftermarket performance company in the US. The other one that comes close is LC Engineering. Trust the advice that these guys give.