New York State to Ban Brush Guards

[AlexJet]

most grille guards will break or bend just as easily as a bumper, that's why true off-roaders don't get them or remove them. I really don't think they are the problem- the lack of courtesy and driving skills are causing the problems.

Agreed. Too many "off-roaders" who makes their vehicle look off-road, but never taken them out of the road and most of all doesn't know what difference have they made in vehicle maneuverability. For example, I know the guy who lifted his Tahoe for 6", put custom made steel bumpers on front and rear, made a light bar on the roof and thought that the vehicle stability and driving should be the same. I was trying to tell him that he made major modifications and should change his driving skills according to this, but he didn't listen to me. He was saying that none of the products he got said that this will affect his driving. At the end he tried to park his car at the underground parking and got stucked at the entrance. Result: light bar gone, lights gone, damaged roof. May be this will teach him that you have to think prior doing something.

hahahaha, i would like to see what my "grille guard" would do in a serious collision, lets just say that i dont think whoever i hit would be walking away from it. but if thats how you feel, then why do you believe they dont belong in the city, if they dont protect you, why not have them for bling? its just like big wheels, just a style statement. perhaps bull bars should be illegal in NYC, but then again, perhaps they should make getting a license a little more difficult so we dont have all these idiots on the road... just a thought

They look nice and will help you from some "scratch making" accidents. I like their look and ability to put some extra lights. Oh yea, your ARB will affect the same way as a train. Good choice for serious off-roader. You can drive it in the city, just be more careful, which I think you do.

 

[CVsGX470]

You better speak up!

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Koz

I thought that designed them to bend in a collision anyway. It isn't like they make you and A1 Abrahms Tank!

 

[scott78945]

They say "brush guards" but I wonder if these also include bull bars? I live in NY and was going to be purchasing one very soon but now I am wondering if I should be holding off... It seems that people at my gym have problems backing up and they seem to want to keep on backing up until they hit my bumper and then stop...

 

[Koz]

They say "brush guards" but I wonder if these also include bull bars? I live in NY and was going to be purchasing one very soon but now I am wondering if I should be holding off... It seems that people at my gym have problems backing up and they seem to want to keep on backing up until they hit my bumper and then stop...

I would wait!

Koz

 

[ksneubec]

They say "brush guards" but I wonder if these also include bull bars? I live in NY and was going to be purchasing one very soon but now I am wondering if I should be holding off...

Like Koz said, better to wait, but I doubt this bill will pass. It seems like very few people will support it, and I'm not entirely sure they can do it legally anyway.

 

[sharp4runr]

If they do pass it (speaking hypothetically of course), would you be "grandfathered" in if you had your guard on before the date teh bill was passed? :arrow:

 

[scott78945]

Unsure, but then how could you prove that you had it on prior to it going into legislation? Receipt maybe? I don't see how they can tell me what I can and cannot put on a vehicle that I paid NY taxes on and the montly payments, its crap!!

 

[atomic punk]

"Officer, listen, it's a bumper. BUMMMMMM-PEEERRRR. It's exactly like that big ugly metal structure that's permanently mounted on the front of YOUR CRUISER behind me. BUMPER, I presume, right?! Ok, so let's call it even."

 

[abin]

well,
not going to say how safe is safe.
law can be different from state to state.
bad driving skill and careless are more dangerous.
as people would say,
it is gun fired a bullet, not dick did, vice versa.

 

[Koz]

If they do pass it (speaking hypothetically of course), would you be "grandfathered" in if you had your guard on before the date teh bill was passed? :arrow:

Grandfathered :lmao:

Koz

 

[MicaBlue03]

Bumper guards good for small impacts

I've posted detail previously so I'll just summarize here. I've got front & rear bumper guards ("Front Runner" etc. from WAAG) and the front one saved me from an expensive bumper replacement when someone backed into me (maybe 3 MPH) while leaving a parking lot (not a parking space; she was changing her mind about entering a street).

She hit me with a pickup rear bumper. The guard was bent and I replaced it (her insurance company paid for it) for maybe $325. No damage to the 4Runner bumper. A bumper replacement would have meant many more $ and a repaint job and lost time in the shop.

I think these guards are fine for accidents like this and those folks who park by feel. Also good for tying down roof cargo and they're heavy enough to make a good step to stand on. They would likely make almost no difference in a serious accident. They would absorb some energy in getting deformed and that might be significant if it was a very close call, but that would rarely be the case.

For me they've been worth it, but they won't protect from big stuff.

 

[Fourty-four]

fourty four.... why are you attempting to start something? if you dont agree with the thoughts of members on this thread, then please find the X on the top right of your screen. no one wants to hear smart comments here, thanks again for your invaluable input, and just so you know, yes it makes me feel safer to have my ARB bull bar on the front of my truck, i know that if some stupid driver pulls in front of me, that my vehicle will not be that damaged from the impact

ksneubec, im aware of that, i just dont like how he is trying to shoot down what people do to their vehicles, ive never seen anyone tell him anything negative about his truck, i dont appreciate it when he tries to tell other people his negative view on the modifications they have done.... just my opinion

Sorry if you don't agree with my opinion, but that's just too bad. If you like grille guards, then you have the right to say that. And the opposite is true too.

BTW, do you really think that your truck will not (or can not) be damaged because you have an ARB? Think again.

 

[Fourty-four]

No, I don't. I need a bullbar with winch so I can independantly travel and recover my vehicle if I get highsided or bogged.

What about your needs tho? Do you drive offroad? Maybe a brush guard might be something useful to protect your truck. Or maybe something to mount some decent lights on for safer driving on hwys or offroad trails at night.

I drive off road occasionally. Nothing to extreme though. So far I haven't been in a situation that a brush guard was needed to protect anything. And my stock headlights seem to do very well at night on the road or the trails.

 

[Fourty-four]

Don't feed the TROLL!

Ha ha ha. Now I'm a troll because I don't like grille guards.

BTW, I looked at the pictures of yours, and I think it looks horrible. That's only my opinion though. Yours obviously differs.

I still think they look like they belong on a Land Rover in the African jungle.:arrow:

 

[RunnerUp]

do i think that it wont be damaged? the answer to that is yes, i dont think it will be damaged as badly in a wreck, as you should have read, the ARB was tested in a head on collision a couple weeks ago with a 1990 Audi sedan, her vehicle was totalled and my bumper was just barely pushed up and in, saving me thousands of dollars if she would have hit my factory bumper, it obviously ruined the other vehicle owners day also.

i completely agree with you that everyone has their own opinion, the only thing i had to say was that you dont need to take an antagonizing "tone" if you will when you discuss people's modifications or idea's about their trucks.

i would also like to know what your definition of offroad is, if it is limited to your pebble driveway, you need to redefine your terms...

happy trails....

 

[Fourty-four]

do i think that it wont be damaged? the answer to that is yes, i dont think it will be damaged as badly in a wreck, as you should have read, the ARB was tested in a head on collision a couple weeks ago with a 1990 Audi sedan, her vehicle was totalled and my bumper was just barely pushed up and in, saving me thousands of dollars if she would have hit my factory bumper, it obviously ruined the other vehicle owners day also.


i would also like to know what your definition of offroad is, if it is limited to your pebble driveway, you need to redefine your terms...

So which is it? It won't be damaged, or it won't be damaged as badly? Sure, the bumper is tougher than the stock bumper, but the ironic thing is that your are sacrificing yourself for your 4Runner.

How so, you ask? Simple- The stock bumper is an intergral part of the crumple zone of your 4Runner. It is designed to absorbe the impact in a collision, thus protecting the driver. If you were ever to get into a serious collision, you would be better protected by the impact-absorbing bumper that came with your vehicle.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd much rather let the truck take a hit than take it myself.

People are funny though... I've heard people say that they felt safer in the old steel-bumpered cars of the 70's than the modern plastic-bumpered cars of today. If I was going to slam into an immovable object, I'd much rather be in a new Toyota Corolla than a big old Caddy from the 70's. Give me crumple zones, air bags, collapsible steering wheels and safety ergonomics any time over steel bumpers and full frames.:bash: :bash:


BTW, my driveway is paved.

 

[atomic punk]

To be honest, Foty-Fo does make some good points, but the delivery of those points just plain sucks.

BTW: does anyone know if he even owns a 4R? Or is old enough to drive yet? Or use a computer without adult supervision? Rhetorical questions for the light-hearted, of course.

 

[Thai]

Fourty-four, please have more respect for other members on this forum.

Thanks.

 

[Fourty-four]

To be honest, Foty-Fo does make some good points, but the delivery of those points just plain sucks.

BTW: does anyone know if he even owns a 4R? Or is old enough to drive yet? Or use a computer without adult supervision? Rhetorical questions for the light-hearted, of course.

Yes, I know that I own a 4Runner. It's quite nice, too. And odds are that I'm quite a bit older than you, "punk":

 

[Fourty-four]

Fourty-four, please have more respect for other members on this forum.

Thanks.

Where do you see a lack of respect?

I just see some well-founded points made without breaking any of the forum rules.

I'm starting to think that this forum may promote a form of censorship. Am I allowed to voice my opinion as long as I don't break the forum rules? After reading this thread again, I don't see a single thing I wrote that breaks any of the rules.

Of course you may have your own interpretation of the rules.