Nitrous Enterprises Warning Thread

[Faeylyn]

I just noticed a thread over at YT that is getting a lot of hits since it was put up three days ago. Basically people posting about their NE gripes. Apparently NE was kicked off of YT for questionable behaviour. At any rate, they don't seem to post over there anymore.

You can see the thread here and make up your own mind: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=49576

Buyer beware.

 

[live4swell]

Wow, good find...I was interested in some of their products to. Was thinking about upgrading my daystar lift to theirs, but not anymore. Thanks for the info

 

[MAC4Runner]

Or check for his response in this thread: Clicky

 

[ToolmanJohn]

Yeah somethings up over there

I ordered a rear spacer to correct the slight tilt towards the drivers side on December 11th, ended up getting it in January, only AFTER I sent an email asking what's up..

No instructions, and their website instructions are also gone the last few times I have checked.

Glad I didn't order a full lift. The company sounds like they have NO business plan or working capital. They should read some books on starting small businesses.

 

[MAC4Runner]

:iagree:

Toolman - You're experience matches mine to a tee, except they sent two sents of poor quality rear spacers. :wtf:

 

[EDGE]

If anyone wants 4th Gen mods, talk with Lance aka Good Times, he has a pretty sweet rig and knows his stuff, just search for him, he always post good things and trys to point individuals in the right direction, from the beginning NE sounded like to much BS.

Lets hope NE members will vanish from this site, we do not want the yotatech crap to just move to here.

I vote banning these members

 

[sharp4runr]

Can't ban them as they have not done anything wrong here.

I was actually very interested in the sliders they were offering until I saw that thread at Yotatech. Its a shame, but I can't chance losing hard earned money. I understand the guy who started that thread got a refund, but waited months for it.

 

[Duc Hunter]

Well after reviewing these threads and dealing with NE for the lift I am buying I must chime in. I heard they let a certain employee go from the company an right after that happened people start to complain, that seems funny to me. It seems as funny as the multiple names Anthony is described in the YT thread as having in. This probably has a lot to do with the issues we are all "hearing" about. There have been many satisfied customers of NE here and at YT and this is the first thread where I have heard of anyone complaining about them. I too had a little trouble over the holiday time frame with sub 24 hour response times but I realize they are a small company which means logistics are more difficult than they are for someone like Daystar.

NE has replied to me within 24 hours most of the time, they have been very nice every time I have talked to them, they are begin VERY flexible in how I arrange payment........in short I am very impressed. Now I do not have the product in hand yet. When I do I will reply back here with my results.

As far as "from the beginning NE sounded like to much BS. Let’s hope NE members will vanish from this site, we do not want the Yotatech crap to just move to here" that is stupid! As for why they were kicked off of YT I can understand why having multiple names and trying to push or defend a product could be deemed a reason to kick someone off the site. I would like to see a YT thread from the site admin stating why members are removed so everyone knows. The same would be nice hear.

Let's not get all caught up ion stirring the S*&T, that happens WAY too often on the internet. I have been impressed with both this site and YT for not having very much of that behavior on it.

I was doing research on here and T4R and have had a hard time finding bad things said about NE until this thread. I have had nothing but good contact from them. I do not have the product yet but look forward to having it soon.

Here is my post from YT on Forum Etiquette in situation like these. I think not adhering to ethics like these discredit a site, at least to those of us who have been around the internet and forums for a long time and who have experience in the corporate world with ethics……

On the side note of internet forum etiquette..........if administrators and forum users want to believe in freedom of speech and bash NE so bad tehy should have let them keep one log on, maybe one if their existing ones or a new one as NE Enterprises and let them defend themselves. To ban them, not state as the admin of this site why they were banned in a unbiased way and permit bashing of them in a thread is not providing the service everyone here claims they like the site for (great and honest information and public discourse). Administrators of a site like these should NEVER involve themselves in these kinds of discussions/threads. Even if they are a “victim” of the bad behavior they should recuse themselves from the discussion because they are administrators of the site, and state that is why they cannot comment. The most they should do is "matter of factly" state why someone was banned from the site, and this should go for any member, not just a suspected vendor who is misbehaving. In a case like this it would be understandable to list the names they used and how they were caught with multiple names. There should also be an ongoing policy of searching out and banning any members who use multiple names, which I do not believe is the case. In this case it would be very advisable to invite NE back with an assigned vendor user name to defend them selves, then let the user community decide for themselves. To not do so is very biased discredits this site, its administrators and its members.

 

[Thai]

As long as NE doesn't screw the members and follows our rules on this forum, they are welcome here for now....

 

[4route]

for the record, I quit. I was not "let go" as is the rumor/excuse started by NE.

I took the directions off the site after transferring it to a new host and setting it all up for them again (despite having quit days earlier). I took them down because:
a) I wrote it long before ever involving myself with NE
b) Anthony never even read the write-up so when people called him needing help they had no common point of reference anyway
c) therefore, I suggested that he do his own write-up now since he would be the only one answering questions and would need to be able to be on the same page as the customers
d) he has a 100% different method of installation, so since he is the one advising on the installation procedures and answering questions, I thought it would be better for NE as well as the customers if he could do his own write-up with his method and his tools so they'd at least be speaking the same language.

That being said, I told him that if someone needed directions before he got NE's own up, they could email me and I would be happy to give them a write-up.

 

[4route]

ToyotaDoodz,

I appreciate that ... nothing I stated was motivated by marketing. It was motivated by my association and duty to remain loyal as an employee .... but it wasn't about money ... because I did not stand to make money in this situation.

 

[Thai]

4route (aka Rocky on YT),

From what i understand (please correct me if i am wrong), you and AK (fourunnabilly, on this forum) were close partners in this NE business (on this forum and YT). You guys even have a picture together in the gallery section...well, half of you and AK's. You guys actively and aggressively advertised your products here as one voice. From reading the above threads, i see that you were involved with NE until the very end...until the NE's "shady" business practices were brought to light over at YT. You apparently have resigned from NE since that time.

Now, to play devil's advocate, i wonder about one thing. After reading the thread above at YT, i want to know how much you knew about NE's "shady" practices??

Sorry for my lack of understanding in your relationship with NE, but I find it a bit hard to believe that someone who was soooo involved with NE could be totally in the dark about all this. Were you the innocent bystander, as so many Enron exec's are claiming?? You knew NOTHING of AK's business dealings...or lack of???!! Or were you just following orders, as so many war criminals claim?? Were you blindfolded and earmuffed during your employment period??? You just found out about it NOW??!! Did you not see the writing on the wall?? Were you in denial?? How is it that you knew nothing of these practices?!

If you knew nothing about AK's (and thus NE's) business and how he handled it, then you should NOT have been the customer's relations and technical advisor for NE in the first place. You should not have been a NE representative on these forums. Period. IMO, if your innocence is true, then you have shown extremely poor judgement........if such "shady" practices do happen at NE.

My opinion...i am open to any corrections in my assumptions.

 

[Faeylyn]

Well after reviewing these threads and dealing with NE for the lift I am buying I must chime in. <snippy snip>

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I was doing research on here and T4R and have had a hard time finding bad things said about NE until this thread. I have had nothing but good contact from them. I do not have the product yet but look forward to having it soon.

Here is my post from YT on Forum Etiquette in situation like these. I think not adhering to ethics like these discredit a site, at least to those of us who have been around the internet and forums for a long time and who have experience in the corporate world with ethics……

<snippy snip>

I posted this thread pointing to the YT thread to let people make up their own minds. There is a LOT of specific information in that thread. Read it yourself. Make up your own mind.

As to it being suspicious that this is just now coming up, why so? Every complaint has to start somewhere and some time. And some of the people you are accusing of being suspicious have a VERY long track record on that forum and are VERY well respected. And THAT is the reason I take that thread so seriously. It's not just some random new accounts that are posting there, it is established credible members. As far as ethics go, I think it's up to NE to put up now. But again, everyone can decide for this for themselves.

 

[Thai]

As far as ethics go, I think it's up to NE to put up now. But again, everyone can decide for this for themselves.

Thanks for posting the link for everyone. "fourunnabilly" is still an active member of this forum and, hopefully, he will chime in and defend himself.

 

[4route]

I'd be happy to correct you. I quit over 10 days before any of those threads were started. Did I know about his multiple user accounts at yotatech and his past there? No.

I have not publicly stated anything regarding the "shady practices", but I have stated over and over again the guilt I have in being a part of what people went through with us, Yes. And, Anthony was very much aware of how I felt about misleading customers about the status of their kits.

Following orders? What orders would those be, exactly? He is halfway across the country from me - in a business situation like that, there is nothing I can do to confirm that what he relays to me is true. When he would tell me a customer's kit's status to relay to them, I would do so, seeing no reason to doubt his statement, nor any way to ascertain the truth or exact status.

As I understand it, the main complaints are regarding the quality of the kits and the timeliness. Am I wrong about that? Those are the two things I had no control over. We had many chats where I brought to his attention that the kits were not of a very high quality - and many chats where he agreed and stated that they were working on improving it.

I knew everything of NE's business practices, but only based on what I was told by Anthony. To liken me to a "war criminal" is absolutely ridiculous.

I continually offered to quit due to feeling lied to and misled regarding the true status and quality of the kits. The only reason I hung around as long as I did was because we had planned to give me the job of making/filling the 4th gen. orders, so I knew then that I could control the quality and the timeliness of production. That never happened, and the excuses/lies continued.

If you are in a business, part of functioning there depends on trusting what the "boss" tells his employees. At the time, I had no reason to distrust him, and when I began to realize certain things, I did confront him and was assured that things would change.

When they did not change, I resigned. Plain and simple.

You can think what you want, Thai.

 

[EDGE]

Thai
I think 4route knows more then she is leading us to believe, 2 or 3 people made up NE

 

[4route]

clarify that for me, EDGE.

what exactly is it that you think I knew? did you even read what i just posted here?

 

[EDGE]

Martha sold her stock 10 days before

 

[4route]

i didn't have stock in the company.

i wasn't getting paid, period.

what else do you want to know here, edge?

martha sold her stock because she knew the stock was going to drop, correct? nothing has happened to NE since i quit - they continue on just as they had when i worked there. the fact that i quit two weeks ago is really irrelevant.

if you have something to say, Edge, say it. my conscience is clear in this matter, and i would be happy to defend whatever accusations you have.

 

[Thai]

I continually offered to quit due to feeling lied to and misled regarding the true status and quality of the kits. The only reason I hung around as long as I did was because we had planned to give me the job of making/filling the 4th gen. orders, so I knew then that I could control the quality and the timeliness of production.

Huh?? So, you finally saw the poor quality and poor customer relations of NE...BUT you hung around longer, thinking that you will get the job of "making/filling the 4th gen orders...." despite being halfway across the country???!!!! What on earth made you think that?! And how can you even accomplish this job being halfway across the country???

BTW, I have an invisible house to sell you!!:bs:

And how many user names did you go through on YT???:rolleye2: