Nitto Ridge Grappler C & E Load Help

I debated for a long time on this as well.

The clincher was I didn't like the ride coming off 275 KO2s E-rated so I went with the C-rated 285s.

The ride is way better although there is no weight difference between the E and C load in the 285 size. It does as stated many times before, come down to your ride stiffness and outroad preference.

Very happy with the C-rated myself though.
 
I debated for a long time on this as well.

The clincher was I didn't like the ride coming off 275 KO2s E-rated so I went with the C-rated 285s.

The ride is way better although there is no weight difference between the E and C load in the 285 size. It does as stated many times before, come down to your ride stiffness and outroad preference.

Very happy with the C-rated myself though.



You went with the BFG’s or the Nitto’s? The BFG 285 C’s shaved a lot of weight. Confused how Nitto could not shave any on their C load 285.
 
Nitto Ridge 285 C, I had 275 KO2s in 275. The ride was terrible with the KO2 E loads.


Yes, I have had the BFG’s in both a 275 and a 285 load E and they are definitely stiff, but also bulletproof. I am looking forward to trying out the BFG in a C. The 285/70-17 is only 50 lbs. I love that.
 
Quick question.

Anyone used the SL version of this tire which is 4 ply? I've seen a 285/70/17 (116Q SL BSW) which is lighter that I'm interested in getting due to the weight.

Anyone care to share their experiences with this load range.

Thanks in advanced.
 
I debated over this choice for a month and finally decided on the C. I got my Ridge Grapplers installed yesterday and halfway through the process realized I had somehow ended up with E-rated tires. No idea how but so far so good as far as the ride. I carry a ton of stuff and do air down some, so I guess I'll find out one way or another.
 
Nitto Ridge Grappler C & E Load Help

Quick question.



Anyone used the SL version of this tire which is 4 ply? I've seen a 285/70/17 (116Q SL BSW) which is lighter that I'm interested in getting due to the weight.



Anyone care to share their experiences with this load range.



Thanks in advanced.



I ran the P series stock size in the Falken Wildpeak AT3W and I’ll be honest...that tire was a beast. It was great on the pavement, I towed regularly and I off road more than anyone I know. I NEVER had an issue with the P series tire even aired down to 20. I shared my experience with a Jeep friend who also went P rated and he hasn’t had one issue either.

I’m currently running the KO2 285 in C load only because I have a Rubicon friend who sold me all 5 at a price I couldn’t pass. It’s nice having the peace of mind of the C load, but my worries about the P series were always only in my head. The P series never failed me in my Midwest wheeling. I’m considering going RGs next and would consider the P series from my experience. I’d probably worry about the perceived ruggedness but, again, it’s all talk. The P series is good for most people after my experience.


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I gotta say, switching to the E-load Ridge Grapplers after 10 months on my Terra Grapplers, the ride seems almost unchanged, minus maybe a .5 mpg drop. No harshness or sluggishness whatsoever. Pretty excited about the extra protection for my trips to the mountains this year.
 
I ran the P series stock size in the Falken Wildleak AT3W and I’ll be honest...that tire was a beast. It was great on the pavement, I towed regularly and I off road more than anyone I know. I NEVER had an issue with the P series tire even aired down to 20. I shared my experience with a Jeep friend who also went P rated and he hasn’t had one issue either.

I’m currently running the KO2 285 in C load only because I have a Rubicon friend who sold me all 5 at a price I couldn’t pass. It’s nice having the peace of mind of the C load, but my worries about the P series were always only in my head. The P series never failed me in my Midwest wheeling. I’m considering going RGs next and would consider the P series from my experience. I’d probably worry about the perceived ruggedness but, again, it’s all talk. The P series is good for most people after my experience.


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That's very interesting, I have 1,750 off-pavement miles on my P265 70 17 Wildpeaks and I do NOT air them down. There is no need. The one time I had a sidewall burst was when I did air down. There is plenty of flex at 33 psi and comfort is great also. I also had one puncture at 33 psi but that was not as irritating.

I have had no issues in Utah, Montana or northern AZ, both problems occurred in the Sonoran Desert which is harsher.

But, yes, I like the Wildpeaks a great deal, coming from LT-D KO2/P-metric Continental AT combo (trip/town) on my previous vehicle.

I love the performance everywhere and the fact that I do not have to air down is a HUGE difference maker for me. It would take a sidewall failure at 30sh psi in a bad spot to push me into 3-ply sidewall tires again.
 
Nitto Ridge Grappler C & E Load Help

That's very interesting, I have 1,750 off-pavement miles on my P265 70 17 Wildpeaks and I do NOT air them down. There is no need. The one time I had a sidewall burst was when I did air down. There is plenty of flex at 33 psi and comfort is great also. I also had one puncture at 33 psi but that was not as irritating.

I have had no issues in Utah, Montana or northern AZ, both problems occurred in the Sonoran Desert which is harsher.

But, yes, I like the Wildpeaks a great deal, coming from LT-D KO2/P-metric Continental AT combo (trip/town) on my previous vehicle.

I love the performance everywhere and the fact that I do not have to air down is a HUGE difference maker for me. It would take a sidewall failure at 30sh psi in a bad spot to push me into 3-ply sidewall tires again.



Interesting that you had two failure on P series and you’re not deterred...

The Wildpeak IS a great tired but obsessing over these RGs right now. If I were buying today, I can’t honestly say I’d pony up the extra money for the peace of mind but I’m feeling like I might just so I’m not regretting it on the trail.

And I agree on tire pressure. I did most of my off roading at 30 with the P series. I went down to 20 in sand but the sidewall isn’t exactly getting abused there.


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I've had Ridge Grapplers in a 295/70 in both C and E. I had the C's for a couple weeks and went back to E's. Sidewall felt too soft for me, guess I'm used to running and E load tire. Anyway, considering the weight is the same and if you offroad with them I'd go E. If you are going to go C rated, I'd say look at the KO2's as they are really light weight in a C rating. If you're going to sacrifice the sidewall you may as well grab as much weight savings as you can.
 
I've had Ridge Grapplers in a 295/70 in both C and E. I had the C's for a couple weeks and went back to E's. Sidewall felt too soft for me, guess I'm used to running and E load tire. Anyway, considering the weight is the same and if you offroad with them I'd go E. If you are going to go C rated, I'd say look at the KO2's as they are really light weight in a C rating. If you're going to sacrifice the sidewall you may as well grab as much weight savings as you can.

I already run E load Goodyears and they've been fine for me. I went with them because their tread compound seems to do exceptionally well in the wet.

I am most likely moving to the Ridge Grapplers because I want to go 285/75 or 305/70, both of which aren't offered by Goodyear.

Did you notice any difference between C and E regarding their wet performance? What about winter characteristics?
 
I think that E load helps in areas where construction is frequent too. Where I live my factory C load tires were always failing near the sidewall and that is not safe. So, I ended up getting rid of the C loads after 27k and replacing them with Cooper Discoverer RTX tires, which have performed well since getting them 3 months ago.
 
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is puncture resistance the same in a P-rated tire regardless of tread designs? I put 2 holes in the stock tires on a normal forest service road in AZ and that day i took it to Discount and had e-rated k02's installed. It'd be great to go to a c rated tire when or if these wear out but if a p rated all terrain will have decent protection then that'd work as well. Ligher and cheaper is nice lol
 
The P series won’t offer the same puncture resistance (tread, not sidewall) for two reasons:

-Compound is softer which offers a better on-road ride and comfort

-Tread depth is typically more shallow by a considerable amount

C-Load is pretty much the Goldilocks of off road tires for trucks like ours. E Load is just such overkill for our rigs.


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I've had Ridge Grapplers in a 295/70 in both C and E. I had the C's for a couple weeks and went back to E's. Sidewall felt too soft for me, guess I'm used to running and E load tire. Anyway, considering the weight is the same and if you offroad with them I'd go E. If you are going to go C rated, I'd say look at the KO2's as they are really light weight in a C rating. If you're going to sacrifice the sidewall you may as well grab as much weight savings as you can.

I think you mean 285 they dont make a 295/70 in C...
 
Interesting that you had two failure on P series and you’re not deterred...

The Wildpeak IS a great tired but obsessing over these RGs right now. If I were buying today, I can’t honestly say I’d pony up the extra money for the peace of mind but I’m feeling like I might just so I’m not regretting it on the trail.

And I agree on tire pressure. I did most of my off roading at 30 with the P series. I went down to 20 in sand but the sidewall isn’t exactly getting abused there.

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Yup! People air down P metric tires and then complain when they blow up.

I am not deterred for a few reasons:
--I also have an additional 2,000 off-pavement miles on P Geolander ATS and 500 on P Toyo OC AT II, so that's 4,250 or so dirt miles on P tires total.
--I only had failures on this tire and in a particular type of terrain.
--The sidewall failure is for now attributable to my airing down.

1,750 miles is a lot of dirt miles in 12 months. That's 69 trails and 82 runs, dirt roads included. I won't be able to sustain this rate of use. I can live with one destroyed tire over this much use so long as it does not happen in a dangerous situation.
 
is puncture resistance the same in a P-rated tire regardless of tread designs? I put 2 holes in the stock tires on a normal forest service road in AZ and that day i took it to Discount and had e-rated k02's installed. It'd be great to go to a c rated tire when or if these wear out but if a p rated all terrain will have decent protection then that'd work as well. Ligher and cheaper is nice lol

See my trail updates thread. It covers lots of AZ trails with the dirt roads not included. The vast majority of those were driven in the 4R on P metric Wildpeaks.

P metric tires are by no means the same across the board, not even close. Nor are E-loads the same. The difference among P-metric tires comes from the shoulder protectors. The Wildpeaks use the same protectors from P to E load. But other tires, like Toyo Open Country AT II, use very mild, style-only protectors in P. As for street tires, those are what they are. Some models like Defender are stronger than others, maybe at the level of generic P metric ATs. But the Wildpeak and its corporate siblings Sumitomo Encounter and Falken Rubitrek stand out to me among all P-metric tires.

Similarly, an E-load Ridge Grappler is nowhere as puncture resistant as a D-load KO2 because the latter has a 3-ply sidewall and the former has a 2 ply.

I asked BFG if their C-load KO2, which has 2 thicker plies is as strong as their D and E versions, which have 3. They said that a tire with a 3rd ply in the sidewall will be more puncture resistant than one with 2.

It stands to reason that LT-C are the best overall fit in that they do offer thicker plies than a regular P metric AT but not as stiff/thick as D/E. However, for my use it is either P or 3-ply sidewall. Although I do plenty of off pavement the middle ground does not suit my use well. I also despise airing up and down because it forces breaks at the wrong place (start and end of trails instead of into the trails).
 
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See my trail updates thread. It covers lots of AZ trails with the dirt roads not included. The vast majority of those were driven in the 4R on P metric Wildpeaks.

P metric tires are by no means the same across the board, not even close. Nor are E-loads the same. The difference among P-metric tires comes from the shoulder protectors. The Wildpeaks use the same protectors from P to E load. But other tires, like Toyo Open Country AT II, use very mild, style-only protectors in P. As for street tires, those are what they are. Some models like Defender are stronger than others, maybe at the level of generic P metric ATs. But the Wildpeak and its corporate siblings Sumitomo Encounter and Falken Rubitrek stand out to me among all P-metric tires.

Similarly, an E-load Ridge Grappler is nowhere as puncture resistant as a D-load KO2 because the latter has a 3-ply sidewall and the former has a 2 ply.

I asked BFG if their C-load KO2, which has 2 thicker plies is as strong as their D and E versions, which have 3. They said that a tire with a 3rd ply in the sidewall will be more puncture resistant than one with 2.

It stands to reason that LT-C are the best overall fit in that they do offer thicker plies than a regular P metric AT but not as stiff/thick as D/E. However, for my use it is either P or 3-ply sidewall. Although I do plenty of off pavement the middle ground does not suit my use well. I also despise airing up and down because it forces breaks at the wrong place (start and end of trails instead of into the trails).

Thanks! It was two holes straight through the tread, wasn't even on the sidewall lol, just the road up to crown king too lol

i also despise airing down, i'm that impatient lol
 
The P series won’t offer the same puncture resistance (tread, not sidewall) for two reasons:

-Compound is softer which offers a better on-road ride and comfort

-Tread depth is typically more shallow by a considerable amount

C-Load is pretty much the Goldilocks of off road tires for trucks like ours. E Load is just such overkill for our rigs.


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Thanks!
 

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