Occupy Wall Street

[CaliCal]

[RE: angry protestor video]
HERE IS WHY WALL STREET IS OCCUPIED!! Tell it like it is brother....mirror - YouTube


Some good points some bad points.

The "go back to gold" argument doesn't hold water with any* published economists, either followers of Keynes or Friedman.

Leaving the gold standard has allowed the US GDP to rise consistently. The fact that wages didn't rise is unrelated to the Gold Standard pro/con argument (correlation != causation).



According to the World Bank (which is run by the US) US GDP in 1995 was 7.338 Trillion.

GDP in the US in 2009 (after the crash) was 14.044 Trillion.



YET WAGES ARE THE SAME AS 1995. This has nothing to do with the Gold Standard and everything to do with taxation and the distribution of wealth spread. Specifically, that some people make money from trading money (a lot of money is made), it is not taxed at the same rate as workers pay or spending, therefore the overall wealth shifts.

Hence the 1% argument and cries for higher taxation on corporations, financial trading, stocks ect. Also, many of the 99% are starting to disagree with the "trickle down effect" argument that is constantly stated by the right wing and businesses groups.​

The GDP doubled, and yet wages are NO higher on average for a college educated male. Also the cost of housing doubled so now we (I'm 29) are expected to buy housing at 2-3x its worth on 1995 wages.

All of this is confirmed by simply researching US disposable household income. People have less money in their pockets to spend because the price of everything has gone up (healthcare & housing in particular) while we earn 1995 wages.


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World Bank, World Development Indicators - Google Public Data Explorer

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going back to the gold seems what Ron Paul suggested...it makes sense that these money they print out of thin air with no gold backing has no real value. so when it keeps getting printed it loses its...i think? its pretty confusing its a mind **** if i try to think about it. but yah, it's political money not real value. and not to mention the fed that prints out the money aren't even being being checked. it's private own just like mom and pops business shop...so who knows how much they're printing and what there doing with it. the fed is also illegal. it was slipped in 1913 in Christmas eve when everyone was busy. and past presidents have been killed trying to remove it. that includes JFK. that's what to me OCW is about to me and it should be about.all the problems that people are complaining about starts from up there and has trickled down. all that gdp stuff its totally clueless to me and i not care for it. since they are just numbers they showed you...these people can make nations fall and make them raise. stock market crash etc. it's all a sham. get these mafia like folks out and you can start talking about gdp and all that good stuff. till then we are ****ed.

 

[broncosi]

I like this rant about the government in particular although it was shot before the occupy bs. Also, there is pretty bad language so avoid this if that will bother you, otherwise, focus on what he is saying.
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[BrianSD_42]

Treasury bills have no value? The Fed. is illegal? You sound like a 911 truther or one of those people who think the US did not land on the moon.

 

[CaliCal]

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

here's an ex banker and an economist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld5tERIBvsg&feature=related


I'm just truther period and what lead me to all of this was 911. thermite in the buildings? WTC 7? Silverstein, the owner of the building said it was pulled. if that building was pulled then what were the chances that the other buildings were set up for demolition? you can't just setup the dynamite in a few hrs can you? as for the moon landing. he doesn't swear on the bible when asked if he landed or not...but no big deal. i can understand why he wouldn't do it just cause some "nutcase" "conspiracy theorist" ask him to..but then you get this video from him

Neil Armstrong Nasa Lies - YouTube


you're like wtf. if he really landed he wouldn't be saying these "hints" he's not helping with that speech. :gun5:

 

[broncosi]

Treasury bills have no value? The Fed. is illegal? You sound like a 911 truther or one of those people who think the US did not land on the moon.

Hahaha i knew that would knock you out of hibernation on this thread! No, I don't stand behind him, I just thought it was humorous

 

[BrianSD_42]

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Treasury bills have no value? The Fed. is illegal? You sound like a 911 truther or one of those people who think the US did not land on the moon.

CaliCal you aren't my uncle John are you? Because you guys sound a lot alike. He also lives in CA.
** BTW, thank you for posting that youtube. I agree, there was fraud and it should have been prosecuted.

LOL.​

Bart Sibrel to Buzz Aldrin: "The US faked the moon landings, you are a coward and a liar"

If you say this to a veteran you better be carrying a weapon. Especially if the person you say it to graduated from West Point. Prepare to get your ass kicked either way. As a veteran, I approve of Buzz's response.







Before taking a truther serious watch this video (sorry).

It is a short debate between the creators of the video Loose-Change and one of the engineers who work at the magazine Popular Mechanics. Trust me it is worth watching.



*Additional parts available on the right.


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[BrianSD_42]

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[-JD-]

GREAT video

 

[Ripsnort]

The OWS crowd is marching on the wrong campus.
They should be marching on D.C. Those are the guys that take the bribes.

bottom line, nothing is going to happen until 2012.
This company is typical of many as far as hiring policy goes, because we do NOT have a business-friendly government in place. Don't like capitalism? Move.

Story behind the pic: http://www.11alive.com/news/article/214228/3/Company-Policy-We-are-not-hiring-until-Obama-is-gone

 

[BrianSD_42]

GREAT video

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--> I don't agree with everything Joe R. says, in particular I don't think OWS is the start of a revolution or end of capitalism ect... A lot of people are just angry at the banker's greed. The Tea Party and OWS actually have a lot in common in this regard.