Official 4Runner VS Raptor - Apples VS Oranges Thread

[arehman11]

It is debatable whether or not that truck was even worth $60k to begin with. The added cost of the diesel aside, many of those trucks can be had in base form for around $30-$40k. The extra $15k-$20k has a lot to do with all the luxury items and gadgets that many truck owners now expect to have. And it's those fully loaded trucks that often see massive depreciation hits in their first 4-5 years of ownership.



It's not like a 3/4 ton, like the F250, has better offroad prowess than something like the 4runner. Given its size and weight, it likely isn't. The extra money you pay for a 3/4 ton is due to the extra towing/payload capabilities, more powerful engine options, and, depending on the trim level, greater luxury features. So in essence, the F250 is also just your standard pickup, it's just that some versions come fully loaded with diesel engines and luxury features, which drives up the price.

And as someone else has pointed out, the 4runner is very unique due to its BOF construction and offroad prowess. Most so-called "SUV's" are nothing more than unibody passenger car platforms that have a mild lift and no where close to the offroad capabilities that a 4runner has. The 4runner's interior and comfort is mediocre compared to other brands, but it is more than adequate for long trips. And unlike other brands or SUV's, like Land Rover and Toyota's own LC 200, the base interiors keep the price down, which makes the vehicle more accessible to the average buyer, which in turn allows for more of them to be sold. So in that regard, I'm very glad Toyota has decided to keep the 4runner simple and spartan. I'd like to see more innovation in the engine department, but that aside, I think Toyota has hit a homerun with the 4runner, and the sales numbers prove it.

I think my non-kdss TRDOP rides pretty nice on the highway. My last two cars were an Infiniti and a Lexus. My brother in law has a Sierra Denali with magnetic ride and even he says my car rides great on the highway. Coming from two luxury cars, there's something about the simplicity of the 4Runner that makes me enjoy it more. Luckily my wife drives a manual transmission BMW so we get both ends of the spectrum for luxury/performance.

 

[Trixx]

I think my non-kdss TRDOP rides pretty nice on the highway. My last two cars were an Infiniti and a Lexus. My brother in law has a Sierra Denali with magnetic ride and even he says my car rides great on the highway. Coming from two luxury cars, there's something about the simplicity of the 4Runner that makes me enjoy it more. Luckily my wife drives a manual transmission BMW so we get both ends of the spectrum for luxury/performance.

I do agree that is a much better way to put it, and a lot of what drove me to the 4runner - "simplicity." Less crap to break and when you plan on being off the beating path, that goes a long ways.

Very similar to why I chose my Yamaha Super Tenere vs a BMW GS or KTM Adventure. What it lacked in power it certainly made up in reliability. I took the bike on a 3000 mile trip through Baja and felt I was on the best bike for that job, and when you have no phone reception and are many miles away from the nearest person, that is a lot of comfort.

That's exactly how I feel about the 4runner and why I bought it, and still glad I did. I plan to do another similar trip through Baja but in the 4runner.

I just think the 4runner lacks some things Toyota could add and still have even more satisfied customers. Also - I have had very reliable experiences with my fords, and it's also clear they really put some MAJOR R&D into some of their vehicles to set them apart. Toyotas TRD program leaves a lot to be desired.

Since I'm in quality and have done a fair amount of research on Toyota's manufacturing (Lean systems) I'm very impressed by that, and Happy the 4runner is still made in Japan.

 

[5ontheFloor]

Man this thread keeps on giving. Thx guys!

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[RUNTHAT]

Man this thread keeps on giving. Thx guys!

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I'm surprised by everyone who wants it locked. Would they rather read a new "Which brake pads should I buy?" or "Are 5100s good" thread that pops up daily? layball:

 

[SacStateHornets]

Why lock this thread? I too like the civil discussion and comparison. Would never, ever buy a Raptor but interesting read as to why some people like it.
I would never buy a $60,000+ anything to take it out and drive like Ivan Stewart. Not with my own money anyway.


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[RyanEJ25]

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You obviously know very little about diesel trucks.

Find me A brand new crew cab, 2017 F250 under $40k. Looking on eBay right now a bare bones XLT extended cab is $43k.

As for depreciation, I paid 56k for my F250 brand new. I sold it after 4.5 years and 77k miles for $40k, and with the ton of interest I had from buyers I probably could have got more.

So - in 4 years and 77k miles it lost 29% of its value.

So - comparatively, that would be like my $39k trd off road being worth $27,700 after 4 years and 77k miles.

Here's a 4 year old trail edition with 72k miles for $26k...

That's an SR5 probably base and 4x2 not a trail. I agree on the diesel though and they do hold their value.

 

[Trixx]

That's an SR5 probably base and 4x2 not a trail. I agree on the diesel though and they do hold their value.

The side says sr5 but the description says 4x4 trail... shows it has 4wd

 

[CO-Cygnus]

That's an SR5. No optitron gauges, SR5 badging, rotary dial 4WD.

 

[4Reak Show]

Another vote for no locky this thready.

If I were [MENTION=124732]LawnDart[/MENTION] I'd be feeling pretty cocky knowing a little comment stirred all this up. (I don't know the history, nor do I care). Just saying a lot of people, myself included, could have said something and gotten zero attention.

What I'm sayin is you should change your avatar to something more befitting:

But I do get the frustration of these damn forums. The internet gives people a voice and a platform to be douches. I'm not immune either.

 

[LawnDart]

Having a debate about an alternative platform, on a forum dedicated to basically just reaffirming everyone's purchased platform of choice, isn't going to be easy.

I'm just trying to find the right decision for my needs. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[5ontheFloor]

Having a debate about an alternative platform, on a forum dedicated to basically just reaffirming everyone's purchased platform of choice, isn't going to be easy.

I'm just trying to find the right decision for my needs. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I hear yah. Def agree with the comment about reaffirmation. Spent nearly 40k on this beast I would only want to sing its praises too. Thats not me tho. I routinely get asked about my 4runner by non-Toy types and I always give them the good with the bad. Opinions are subjective and we have the ultimate say when it comes to what would suit our needs. Man I would love an 800hp sports car to go zooming around town, but ultimately not practical for me. So I sometimes just pretend my rig is a sports car. Ok back to lurking mode...

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[smallfry]

Why isn't this thread locked yet? :faint2:

 

[1engineer]

The people (sixteen of them) have spoken. Thread locked. If you want to start a thread like this in the future take it to the general or off topic section. Threads like this always end badly and I want to congratulate a few of you for being adults and not saying what really should be said to some of these whiners.
Locked.
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