Official Reveal Thread 2025 6th gen 4Runner

[Naylor99]

The roll down window needs to be eliminated.

That is the single best and most valuable feature of the T4R, in my view. When I bought my 5th Gen, I looked at the GX, and discounted it. The barn door is a poor design choice, and the lack of a roll down window greatly limits the functionality of the vehicle.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Naylor99]

In some ways a R1S just got more tempting for me .

Kinda where I am, although the R1S is a bit more than I need. I have a deposit down on an R2S. I can wait. My T4R Limited is in good shape with low miles. 2026 will be just about right, timing wise. I'm ready for an EV, and my wife's car is an MDX - so we are covered if we don't want to be charging on a road trip. But even that is getting better all the time.

 

[gomiami]

That is the single best and most valuable feature of the T4R, in my view. When I bought my 5th Gen, I looked at the GX, and discounted it. The barn door is a poor design choice, and the lack of a roll down window greatly limits the functionality of the vehicle.

Just my 2 cents.

I'm biased because I bought one but, while I thought I would really dislike the barn door and pop up back window on my GX460, it has ended up being two of the features (other than the powertrain) I like the most. I do wish it swung to the driver's side but, now that I'm used to it, I wouldn't trade it.

However, I can understand you point of view.

 

[MAST4R]

That is the single best and most valuable feature of the T4R, in my view. When I bought my 5th Gen, I looked at the GX, and discounted it. The barn door is a poor design choice, and the lack of a roll down window greatly limits the functionality of the vehicle.

Just my 2 cents.

Unfortunately, I have long forgotten that I have a roll down rear window.

After 2 years of active offroading, it became unusable. Dealer cleans it, then it works a few times, then I drive another AZ trail and it is game over again (it would not close unless someone is out there to "help" it).

The only time I can use it now is if I have to carry something from Home Depot home so I know that worst case it is in my garage and not sitting somewhere with the rear wide open.

 

[MAST4R]

Kinda where I am, although the R1S is a bit more than I need. I have a deposit down on an R2S. I can wait. My T4R Limited is in good shape with low miles. 2026 will be just about right, timing wise. I'm ready for an EV, and my wife's car is an MDX - so we are covered if we don't want to be charging on a road trip. But even that is getting better all the time.

Thumbs up for that deposit on R2S. I have a friend with an R1T and he absolutely loves it. If a stock Limited is enough for your offroading, then the R2 would be an upgrade in that area as well.

The R2 is very interesting to me, too, but I prefer dedicated horses for courses so the existing modded 4R and Model Y are the perfect combo for us, knock on wood. I would not drive a vehicle on air suspension like I do mine in the desert, but for a lot of Moab or CO stuff the Rivian would be ideal as well as for some more carefully selected desert trails in various states.

I used the Y in town in the morning with my younger son, then my older son and I drove the 4R on a Baja-style trail near town in the early evening. Best of both worlds. Unless, of course, one can afford a super car and a Mason truck LOL.

EDIT: btw, one has to appreciate just how well the 4R is put together. Mine shows its offroading in minor ways all over BUT it is solid as a rock, no rattles, no issues, nothing but getting the job done. Maybe ditch that MDX instead

 

[gomiami]

Unfortunately, I have long forgotten that I have a roll down rear window.

After 2 years of active offroading, it became unusable. Dealer cleans it, then it works a few times, then I drive another AZ trail and it is game over again (it would not close unless someone is out there to "help" it).

The only time I can use it now is if I have to carry something from Home Depot home so I know that worst case it is in my garage and not sitting somewhere with the rear wide open.

Is it a window regulator motor that's going out on it? I've read working on internals in the hatch is a PITA.

 

[Paddo]

Nobody asked, but here are my thoughts on the new 6th gen anyway (which I'm somehow just seeing today for the first time).

• The styling is ok, it's like a blend between 4th and 5th gen. I never liked the styling of the 4th gen but I do mostly like this.
• I don't like the laid back angle of the windshield or the curve on the hood.
• While I am a little apprehensive of the small displacement/high output turbo engines, these are still built in Japan so I expect them to be reliable (more than the 3rd Gen Tundra and Sequoia).
• The new Trailhunter trim looks really nice (despite some of the corny interior decorations).
• Mudbath and Everest both look incredible.

I am probably not seriously in the market for one of these. I'm still daily driving my 2000 Limited with something like 230k miles on it, but I have been wanting to upgrade for years. I haven't pulled the trigger yet on anything for a multitude of reasons, though.

Years ago when the 3rd gen Tundra was rumored to have a hybrid powertrain, I started saving up because I thought they'd have great mileage. Then they actually came out with barely any bump in MPG over the 2nd gen. Really disappointing. Also my family grew to 5 kids last year (up from 2 in 2019), so any 2-row vehicle isn't going to be viable for all of us. We have a '21 Sienna which is great for family road trips, but I want to be able to take my kids camping and hunting down rough roads in a few years when the younger ones are old enough. I looked at the 3rd gen Sequoia when it came out and it was even more disappointing than the Tundra - no more rolling rear window (which I use all the time on my 4Runner), same crap MPG, and absolutely pathetic cargo space.

Now I don't know what I want to do. I think my only realistic options for taking a family of 7 out are real full-size SUVs (Yukon/Suburban). But for the next few years I'll only be taking the older 2 or 3 kids camping, and I still want something new. This is the first time I've seen a new 4Runner that really appealed to me since the 3rd Gen, though. Can't wait to see one in person.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

More delays, so the 2021 6th gen in now the 2025 6th gen, shocked I tell you, I'm completely shocked... :noidea:

July 24 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp:

* TOYOTA PUSHES BACK US LAUNCH OF POPULAR SUV ON SHORTAGE OF PARTS - BLOOMBERG NEWS

* TOYOTA NOW DOESN’T EXPECT TO BEGIN SHIPPING OF 4RUNNER SUV UNTIL DECEMBER OR EARLY NEXT YEAR- BLOOMBERG NEWS Source text: Bloomberg - Are you a robot? Further company coverage:

Toyota pushes back US launch of popular SUV on parts shortage | FMT

 

[CutthroatSlam]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9pX_DcRr_k/?igsh=a3o3N3Z6ZXF1aTJw

 

[arouth]

Does the new 2025 4Runner come with XREAS or something to reduce body roll and nose diving?

I currently have a 4Runner with KDSS and it's great for my usage, so I'm disappointed that the 2025 does not have it. I have mixed feelings on the 2025 4Runner but the Platinum model pictured here looks pretty nice. It's just if there is body rolling and nose diving bc of the lack of KDSS then I'd pass unfortunately.

 

[Jetboy]

Does the new 2025 4Runner come with XREAS or something to reduce body roll and nose diving?

I currently have a 4Runner with KDSS and it's great for my usage, so I'm disappointed that the 2025 does not have it. I have mixed feelings on the 2025 4Runner but the Platinum model pictured here looks pretty nice. It's just if there is body rolling and nose diving bc of the lack of KDSS then I'd pass unfortunately.

I think the suspension re-design will likely make it a lot better in those metrics even without KDSS. However - I think we'll need to wait and see how it is when they are finally released. For now - the LC250 is very very similar and you could probably find out by test driving one, or a 2024 Tacoma. Most accounts are that they are improved significantly from prior generations.

If you want KDSS - you'll have to jump up to a GX550 OT+ at about $75k. Unfortunate that it's being dropped. I am a big fan of KDSS for a daily driver 4Runner and wish it would have stuck around.

 

[Buckfever]

Wound up with a LC first edition. 5K off. There are discounts out there. It was a long wait. Nice to be back in the Toyota. I like the low end torque of the hybrid. The suspension is amazing. It reminds me of my 4Runner just more refined,

 

[Jeff_DML]

Wound up with a LC first edition. 5K off. There are discounts out there. It was a long wait. Nice to be back in the Toyota. I like the low end torque of the hybrid. The suspension is amazing. It reminds me of my 4Runner just more refined,

The LC250 has proper font bump stops unlike the new 4r so it might be the one to get.

 

[thatoneguy]

The LC250 has proper font bump stops unlike the new 4r so it might be the one to get.

Why would they make those different between two similar models on the same platform?

Generally, the more I see, the more I like the new LC250 over the new 4Runner. I'll have my 5th gen for years to come, but eventually an LC250 would probably just be my play. I'd like to have full-time 4WD and a rear diff lock one day, in a nice boxy shape.

If a cheaper LC250 ever comes out in non-hybrid 2.4L form, I'll REALLY be there.

 

[Jeff_DML]

Why would they make those different between two similar models on the same platform?

Generally, the more I see, the more I like the new LC250 over the new 4Runner. I'll have my 5th gen for years to come, but eventually an LC250 would probably just be my play. I'd like to have full-time 4WD and a rear diff lock one day, in a nice boxy shape.

If a cheaper LC250 ever comes out in non-hybrid 2.4L form, I'll REALLY be there.

Assuming because it is cheaper and based on the Tacoma which is high volume so they are looking for anyway to improve margins.

 

[rdruss]

Assuming because it is cheaper and based on the Tacoma which is high volume so they are looking for anyway to improve margins.

And they obviously make changes without real world testing. Hey, looks good on the computer simulation!

 

[thatoneguy]

And they obviously make changes without real world testing. Hey, looks good on the computer simulation!

It's very hard for manufacturer testing to catch everything.

Consider this. If Toyota put 5,000,000 miles of internal testing miles on the new Tacoma before releasing it (which is a reasonable estimate).... if they sell 50,000 of them in the first four months (and they did), each one would only have to drive one thousand miles to have the total fleet at 50,000,000 miles, ten times what they would've internally tested.

In the world of cars, it's nearly impossible for internal testing to catch everything. Owners getting hold of them and running them through paces on their own terms is what catches the stuff that slipped through.

They learn through each generation. Hence, they finally fixed a couple major main causes of infamous Toyota frame rust.

If the flaw is bad and frequent enough, if the "Tacoma front top shock hat" issue is common enough, they're gonna emergency fix it by the third model year. Production is a *****, requires redesign, renegotiation with suppliers, sometimes retooling, etc

That said, if one has the money, the LC250 just seems like a better buy than a 6th gen 4Runner. The Car Care Nut underbody review of the LC250 generally shows high quality throughout, and it comes at a cost.

 

[Jeff_DML]

It's very hard for manufacturer testing to catch everything.

Consider this. If Toyota put 5,000,000 miles of internal testing miles on the new Tacoma before releasing it (which is a reasonable estimate).... if they sell 50,000 of them in the first four months (and they did), each one would only have to drive one thousand miles to have the total fleet at 50,000,000 miles, ten times what they would've internally tested.

In the world of cars, it's nearly impossible for internal testing to catch everything. Owners getting hold of them and running them through paces on their own terms is what catches the stuff that slipped through.

They learn through each generation. Hence, they finally fixed a couple major main causes of infamous Toyota frame rust.

If the flaw is bad and frequent enough, if the "Tacoma front top shock hat" issue is common enough, they're gonna emergency fix it by the third model year. Production is a *****, requires redesign, renegotiation with suppliers, sometimes retooling, etc

That said, if one has the money, the LC250 just seems like a better buy than a 6th gen 4Runner. The Car Care Nut underbody review of the LC250 generally shows high quality throughout, and it comes at a cost.

Seemed pretty easy to verify in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn2Be4jAj_w

also why would they put proper bump stops on the LC250/GX if it worked so well

Edit: Also if you are trying something new on your BOF truck/suv, I would think you would test it very thoroughly(At least I would)

 

[AZ Craig]

The likelihood of me replacing my 2020 Pro with a Toyota seems to be decreasing by the day...

 

[thatoneguy]

The likelihood of me replacing my 2020 Pro with a Toyota seems to be decreasing by the day...

Meh, we're all window shopping spouting opinions on a yet-to-be-released thing based on zero firsthand experience for now.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. From a distance it seems like I would like a 2025 Land Cruiser 250 more than a 2025 4Runner, but that could change once I actually experience them.

I'm distracting myself from the new gen Toyota 4x4's by doing stuff to my 2023 ORP. Lookalike TRD PRO grille is on the way, I'd like to mess with exhaust over the winter, a front skid plate (likely TRD), and god forbid maybe one day I can get bumpers and frame-mounted rock sliders on.