Oil Real vs. Synthetic

[Kanab]

"...owners that use the synthetic motor oil live in very, very cold climates and need the quick sub-zero flow quality that the synthetics give you on cold starts."

That's exactly what I sometimes face. I'm not always able to plug in the block heater when I'm away from home (ie. at work.) They don't recommend to go back and forth (syn to dino) from winter to summer otherwise I would just do that. I guess I could suck it up and use M1 full time and hope I get some fuel savings. Does anyone have any actual fuel economy numbers of dino vs. syn? I'm anal for numbers/stats and I track mine. I guess I'll have to switch and do some long term experiments.

If I lived in Canada and my car was outside and needed to be plugged in I would use the synthetic. I doubt you could tell any difference with the MPG.

 

[Koz]

:violin:

Koz

 

[peter78]

Never argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Hitman, you are an idiot.

:FOS: :smash: :gay: :flipoff: :goinposta

405HP_Z06,

I was wondering how long you were going to piss into the wind before you realized it wasn't raining.

Koz

Page 7 of this thread has heated up a bit. Let me just remind everyone about rule number 2:

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2. No Personal Attacks
This includes, but is not limited to, name calling, racial slurs, threats, badgering, shouting (typing in ALL CAPS), etc.
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It is my opinion we may of crossed that line, maybe just a little. Lets try to get our point across without personal attacks, thanks.

 

[Koz]

peter78,

With all respect, could you explain how my post falls into rule # 2.

Koz

 

[405HP_Z06]

405HP_Z06,

I was wondering how long you were going to piss into the wind before you realized it wasn't raining.

Koz

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

[405HP_Z06]

Re: Re: I want to keep it till it dies...

You are absolutely right.... there is no harm or danger by mixing 100% synethic oil with the same classification and weight conventional oil.

That's exactly what synethic blends are... synthetic oil mixed with conventional oil... bottled and sold to you by your favorite oil company.

But what most people don't know is that the ratio of synthetic to conventional oil is not too good. It's not a 50-50 mix... it's actually much less.

So you could simply buy equal amounts of both oils and create your own 50-50 mix. It would be cheaper than buying blended oil and you'd have a higher percentage of synthetic in your homemade blend

:bs: :twak:

There you go again, spewing incorrect information. I guess you'll never learn.

I sincerly hope no one reads your posts.

 

[Hitman]

Re: Re: Re: I want to keep it till it dies...

:bs: :twak:

There you go again, spewing incorrect information. I guess you'll never learn.

Every statement is that post is 100% correct.

 

[405HP_Z06]

Can't we all just get along?


(Sorry if anyone was offended by that pic, it was meant as a joke)

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I thought this board was a place to get good ACCURATE information and all I am attempting to dissiminate.

I guess many would rather get INCORRECT, INACCURATE, and FACTLESS drivel.

 

[Hitman]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I thought this board was a place to get good ACCURATE information and all I am attempting to dissiminate.

I guess many would rather get INCORRECT, INACCURATE, and FACTLESS drivel.

So instead of crying about it, just prove me wrong.

For some strange reason though, you just can't do it.

But as everyone that has read this thread knows, I CAN prove you wrong.

Do you still stand by your statement that synethic oil is not more slippery than dino oil? Hhahhahahaha

 

[405HP_Z06]

So instead of crying about it, just prove me wrong.

For some strange reason though, you just can't do it.

But as everyone that has read this thread knows, I CAN prove you wrong.

Do you still stand by your statement that synethic oil is not more slippery than dino oil? Hhahhahahaha

You have "proved" NOTHING!!!!!!!!! All you have done is stated totally factless opinion that any 12 year old that reads Hot Rod magazine could repeat.

How do you measure how 'slippery' an oil is? Give me your scientific method for measuring this. Again, you can't even "prove" your own factless statements. Publish the specifications for 'slippery' of a conventional 5w-30 and a synthetic 5w-30 with test data to support your figures.......You can't support your own statements because they are UNEDUCATED guesses.

 

[peter78]

peter78,

With all respect, could you explain how my post falls into rule # 2.

Koz

Well you kind of have to think a little about yours, but it sounds like to me you are saying 'Hitman" pisses in the wind'. If that is inncorrect, I misunderstood your meaning.

Here is another indirect attack on 'Hitman'.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I thought this board was a place to get good ACCURATE information and all I am attempting to dissiminate.

I guess many would rather get INCORRECT, INACCURATE, and FACTLESS drivel.

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You have "proved" NOTHING!!!!!!!!! All you have done is stated totally factless opinion that any 12 year old that reads Hot Rod magazine could repeat.

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Guys, we are talking about oil, not being 12, not pissing in the wind, not captiolizing which is considered yelling as stated in rule number 2. I would also say Hitman is adding to the fire. So lets talk oil, not direct or indirect attacks. OK, I'll get off my soapbox.:soapbox:

 

[405HP_Z06]

I read posts from tuners, dyno days. Owners who ran conventional oil the first 5000, with frequent changes, dynoed higher, consumed less oil, etc.

There is alot of variance in rear wheel dyno's, especially if done on different days and on different dyno's. How much higher did they dyno? How much lower were consumption rates?

APR rod bolts are a common upgrade. The road bearings of engines that broke-in with conventional oil seated better and smoother. Maybe the Mobil1 engines just needed more time?

I have not been on the EVO forums in a while, but it seems to make sense.

Many factors affecting this. Every engine is different and everyone drives their car differently which could easily influence bearing break-in.

I guess the question is, Compared to Synthetic Oil, will an new engine produce more wear metals on conventional oil, and is the extra wear beneficial?

Great question! I am making an ASSUMPTION, but I would think that synthetic MIGHT produce less wear metals. I would think that any wear metals would NOT be beneficial.

 

[405HP_Z06]

No games here, bud.

You said that synthetic oil is not more slippery than conventional oil.

Show me where I wrote this.......I never said this. How can I argue with a term such as 'slippery' when there is no scientific method to test it. Is it how far you slide when you step on a banana peel?

Now I'm asking you if the coefficient of friction is identicle between dino and synthetic.

You won't answer because you know I can PROVE you wrong.

Answer the question and I'll be happy to provide you with proof.

But like I said, you simply won't do it for fear of looking foolish. And that's pathetic.

Of course synthetic has a lower coefficient of friction when compared to conventional oils. I never said different. How do you correlate 'slippery' to 'coefficient of friction'? You are the one that keeps repeating slippery, slippery, slippery. Why can't you state any factual proof with data to support the claim. You haven't produced one piece of factual data yet.........

 

[Hitman]

Besides the 'slipperieness' old wives tale...

It's not the 'slipperieness' of synthetic oil .... That's another one of those synthetic oil old wives tales.

I rest my case.

Have fun.

 

[Hitman]

Of course synthetic has a higher coefficient of friction when compared to conventional oils. I never said different. How do you correlate 'slippery' to 'coefficient of friction'? You are the one that keeps repeating slippery, slippery, slippery. Why can't you state any factual proof with data to support the claim. You haven't produced one piece of factual data yet.........

Hmmm.... actually, you are once again wrong. synthetic has a lower coefficient of friction than conventional oil. Did you look up coefficient of friction to see what it meant?

As for slippery, here's a simple example- What is more slippery, sandpaper, or ice? I'd have to say the ice... how about you? Therefore ice is more slippery than oil... which means that ice has a LOWER coefficient of friction than sandpaper.

I think that's enough lesson for today:bash:

 

[405HP_Z06]

Besides the 'slipperieness' old wives tale...

It's not the 'slipperieness' of synthetic oil .... That's another one of those synthetic oil old wives tales.

I rest my case.

Have fun.

Why don't you include the rest of the quote.....probably because you,again, can't find any data to support your false claims so you have to misquote and constrew data.:moon:

 

[Hitman]

Why don't you include the rest of the quote.....probably because you,again, can't find any data to support your false claims so you have to misquote and constrew data.:moon:

Hey, you said it... not me.

The rest of the quote is there for anyone to see.... no misquoting necessary.

 

[405HP_Z06]

Hmmm.... actually, you are once again wrong. synthetic has a lower coefficient of friction than conventional oil. Did you look up coefficient of friction to see what it meant?

As for slippery, here's a simple example- What is more slippery, sandpaper, or ice? I'd have to say the ice... how about you? Therefore ice is more slippery than oil... which means that ice has a LOWER coefficient of friction than sandpaper.

I think that's enough lesson for today:bash:

You may or may not be correct. Like this whole thread, you have made claims and have not backed a single one with a single shread of factual data or reasonable facisimile there of.

What is the ASTM standard that measures 'coefficient of friction'?
What are the values for a synthetic and conventional 5w-30 oil as measured by this standard? If you can prove your claims, then you should be able to supply this data easily.:awais:

 

[Hitman]

You may or may not be correct. Like this whole thread, you have made claims and have not backed a single one with a single shread of factual data or reasonable facisimile there of.

What is the ASTM standard that measures 'coefficient of friction'?
What are the values for a synthetic and conventional 5w-30 oil as measured by this standard? If you can prove your claims, then you should be able to supply this data easily.:awais:

I'm still waiting for you to make up your mind....

Does synthetic oil have a higher or lower coefficient of friction??

Your first reply was that it has a higher coefficient of friction. Do you stand by that statement?

 

[405HP_Z06]

Hey, you said it... not me.

The rest of the quote is there for anyone to see.... no misquoting necessary.

My quote from the post that you are truncating and attempting to mislead to your advantage.

"It's not the 'slipperieness' of synthetic oil that causes higher mileage engines to leak. That's another one of those synthetic oil old wives tales."

Can you answer any of my other questions or are you going to ignore them because you have no clue what your talking about?