P0430

As was stated before, you gas cap will not cause a P0430, it is a completely different monitor than your Catalyst Efficiency. I posted some helpful information in an older thread regarding catalytic converters and diagnosing codes such as these. Instead of taking the time to rewrite the post I am just going to go ahead and pull it for you and post it here.

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Most if not all car manufacturers use the same testing parameters for catalytic converter efficiency, they will use a Pre-Cat O2 or AFR Sensor and a Post-Cat O2 sensor to measure the effective "oxygen storage" and from that it gives its result on what it thinks the catalytic converter's health is. That's it plain and simple, the ECU will look at Pre-Cat O2 levels and then Post-Cat O2 levels to determine if the catalytic converter is actually working. This presents a small plethora of possible problems and scenarios ranging from complete catalytic converter failure to biased O2 Sensors. The reality is that this is nothing more than a Go, No Go test, because the catalytic converter does not deal only in O2. The only proper and 100% accurate way to test a catalytic converter's efficiency is to preform an intrusive test, where you drill into the cat and use a 4 or 5 gas analyzer to verify functionality. But, most people don't want to drill into the cat and most customers don't like that idea either...

In any case, if one of these codes is tripped you should always assume an "innocent until proven guilty" frame of mind towards the problem. First test the O2 sensors individually and then compare to what the scantool is providing as information. After verifying that the sensors are working properly and that the scantool data is in-line with the sensors I would hook up a 4 or 5 gas analyzer to the exhaust and measure the gases. This won't give you a 100% accurate view of what is going on, but it will help you figure out what the catalytic converter is doing. Without going deeply into the operation and chemical reactions that occur inside of the catalytic converter, the gases will vary according to what is actually happening. For example, if your catalytic converter was working well there would be little Oxygen coming out the tailpipe because it is used in reaction to modify quantities of NOx, CO, CO2, and HC. Keep in mind also that the catalytic converter is NOT the problem, a catalytic converter should last the life of the vehicle or at the very least a whole hell of a lot longer than most people will keep the vehicle. If the vehicle is operating as it is supposed to your catalytic converter should not fail prematurely, this is a SYMPTOM of another problem, not a problem in it self. Something to keep in mind when dealing with these codes/repairs, because I have seen guys slap a set of sensors and cats on a car and have it come back with the same problem months down the line because the real problem trashed the cats again.

There are other things to consider, such as if the vehicle has been driven with faulty sensors for a long time sustained damage to the catalytic converter may have occurred and it will need to be replaced anyways. The sensors may have damaged the cat but it could be "brought back to life." I have seen catalytic converters be brought back to life before, but really its a 50/50 shot in the dark.

Here are some links:
HowStuffWorks "How Catalytic Converters Work"
http://www.converterwarehouse.com/te...rter-&News=100
Catalytic Converter Tech Tips : Catalytic Converter Replacement : ConverterWarehouse.com
All Catalytic Converters - How do I know if my catalytic converter is defective?

Hopeful this will help you out.

A great write up...

All I can add is that there are some cars and manufactures with known and common Cat problems... is you get this code in any GM from 2001-2003.. You can save all of these tests... You can bet your left one that you have a bad Cat... Very common (with TSB's to back it up).

One DIY test that you can do with a 0430 code is a WOT run at highway speeds... If this generates a misfire or lousy performance, then you know you have a bad Cat.
 
first off i have 2 questions haha
1. what is a WOT run at highway speeds?
2. would i be able to take my manifold off and put a universal cat on it?
 
first off i have 2 questions haha
1. what is a WOT run at highway speeds?

Sorry about that... I thought that most every car guy would know what a WOT run is...

WOT = Wide Open Throttle... Get the truck up to 55 MPH and then bury the hammer. You will know long before you get to 75MPH if it is misfiring. If you aren't sure try this going up a hill. If you're not sure, its not misfiring...
 
lol ok now i feel stupid, oh well im in my last week of college and its killing my brain..thanks for clarifying, hopefully someone can answer my second question!
 
I am having the same issue in my 03 V8 with 193K. I replaced the front sensor on the drivers side about 6 mos ago. CK Engine light left for a while. Comes off and on intermentiently. I am hoping its not a cat since I have not lost fuel mileage or performance. Any and all suggestions are welcome.
 
I had the same problem and replaced all 4 O2 sensors then 2 months later I got a CE and replaced the one bad sensor and now it is good. Those sensors are made cheap so they can be bad even when new.
I am going to send my 2 month old one back to Denso to try and get it replaced.
 
Unrelated p0420

I had installed the urd y-pipe on mine & about 90 mi. n threw 0420 so checked all the old posts on here & 120 ,bought both r sensors on amazon . Just as a lark also bought new gas cap as it is sorta one of the 1st things THEY say to check (probably f ing myself here) cleared with obd 2 & no cel for 2 tanks of gas ! Some really good old posts if search under "sensor" helps explain alot some is previous Blackworksinc & others with more knowledge than me !
 
Yep junk yards ! Technically illegal to cross st lines w/cats , but I had TAP recycling ship me some but you don't know if their much better hope the ain't lying about mileage . I tried magnaflow one's wasn't to long before cel , I didn't get it but put oem back on no problem .
 
I am having this same problem now. I replaced two oxygen sensors after cat and that was not the problem. After researching I learned to spray the exhaust manifold with water and soap to see if there are any leaks. Yes .. that is the problem. Because of that small leak some oxygen leaks into exhaust system and trows off the sensors. I also found out that many of our trucks have cracked manifolds. I hope that is not the case with mine.
I leaned that its not the catalyst that is bad but small exhaust leak. Hopefully I replace the gaskets and problem solved.
 
I have an '06 4Runner and about once a week my check engine comes on with the 0430 code. I clear it and it doesn't come back for week. I took the truck in to my local wrench, they said the cat looked good but run some premium gas for a tank or 2 just to clean up any junk. I did that still keeps happening.

Any ideas?
 
Hi everyone,

Newb here. I have a 2006 V6 4runner that I got 2nd-hand 6 years ago. The vehicle was in great shape (certified w/extended warranty) and I have lovingly maintained it since, with no major problems to 97K miles.

Earlier this afternoon while doing around 55-60 on the highway the CEL and VSC track off light came on. Went to the dealership, paid $120, and they came back to me with code p0430.

They told me that the driver-side manifold catalytic converter needs to be replaced and quoted me $730 for the parts and around $200 in labor (plus they told me that I might need the other side replaced soon as well) :censored:

I checked the forum and went back to them with the following:

a) could the manifold be cracked?
b) could it be a bad sensor?

The 4runner drives great, no misfires and I did the DIY test mentioned previously (WOT at 55-60) and it was fine.

They told me that regardless of whether it is a sensor or the manifold or the catalyst, they replace the whole LH manifold sub-assy and it takes care of everything - and no they would not check the sensor or the manifold...

I know that catalytic converters are not particularly prone to premature failure (unless there is something wrong with the engine), so it could well be that a sensor might be the culprit here...

The problem is that the Toyota dealership is not willing to explore that idea. Any advice? Do you know of any good repair store/ exhaust guys in the DE, MD, PA, NJ area? I need to take care of my truck...

I am getting the sense that the Toyota dealership in Newark DE is just trying to make a quick grand here (or two - they suggested I might want to replace the other side now too, anyway), without really looking into the issue.

Any advice would be deeply appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
P0430 Code

Just running into this issue on my 2004 V8. A good local shop, at least up to this point, told me I'm going to need two cats and both A/F and oxygen sensors.

I've ordered one oxygen sensor for the left bank and will install it this weekend.
Thanks everybody for sharing your experiences. I let you know how mine works out.
 
I am dealing with this right now.. I don't have the post cout to post new thread yet, .. but wondering if anyone has a link to a trouble shooting guide or something.

I have the p0430 code, and it came after I was towing a boat out of the water, .. it very well could have something to do with dunking the back in the lake because it came on then, .. and I have to back pretty far in (it is blowing bubbles) to get the boat on the trailier.

Thoughts?
 
I am dealing with this right now.. I don't have the post cout to post new thread yet, .. but wondering if anyone has a link to a trouble shooting guide or something.

I have the p0430 code, and it came after I was towing a boat out of the water, .. it very well could have something to do with dunking the back in the lake because it came on then, .. and I have to back pretty far in (it is blowing bubbles) to get the boat on the trailier.

Thoughts?

Is it possible to check the internals of the catalytic converter? I am not familiar with the exhaust set up of these 4runner since I am currently in the market for one. Sounds like you need to either replace the cat or the 02 sensor after the cat. Start with the cheaper option first.
 
PO430 diagnosing

MAF sensor removed and inspected- check
gas cap on tight- check
exhaust flushed/cleaned- check
battery strong and corrosion free- check

CEL comes on after only 20 miles every time I clear it.
Does this say anything that it comes on so quickly each time?

Next up: going to check cracks in manifold.
Then O2 sensors.
Then cat overhaul to the tune of 2K.
 
P0430 code and head gasket failure

2005 4Runner, V6, 197,000 miles

I recently had a leaking head gasket and had it replaced and they also replaced the timing chain at the same time. After I got my vehicle back it ran fine but there was a noticeable decrease in mileage (10%). About two weeks later, maybe 1,000 miles, my CEL came on and I checked it at O'Reilly and it was a P0430 code. Now from what I've read, a failing catalytic converter can cause a rich fuel mixture and lead to decreased mileage as the car adds more fuel to try to heat up the cat. But also from what I can tell, a catalytic converter shouldn't fail before the life of the vehicle and if the vehicle is just running rich, than it can ruin the catalytic converter.

Is there something they could have done during the repair that would have led to the vehicle constantly running rich and ultimately caused the catalytic converter to fail?

How would you even tell?

Thanks,
 
Before anyone spends money on new cats, which also means replacing the exhaust manifold.......for 700$ or more each..!!!

Try this. At the end of the cat converter pipe is a flange that joins to another pipe. This joint has a gasket. If there is a leak it can cause the P0430, you might not even be able to see a leak. It only takes about 3% defficiency to get a cat converter low efficiency code....it's not very much.

So try replacing that gasket first. It's only a few dollars. It might be a pain to get the flange bolts off, but if it turns out to solve the problem you saved 1000's, and if not, well you will need to remove those bolts anyway to change out the exhaust manaifold/cat converters.
 

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