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Can Toyota have too much of a good thing in the US?
by Mira Oberman
Sun Feb 18, 6:29 PM ET



CHICAGO (AFP) - Fifty years after entering the US market, Japan's Toyota has set its sights on the last stronghold of its struggling American competitors: the full-sized pickup truck market and NASCAR stock-car racing.


The challenge comes at a delicate time. Chrysler joined General Motors and Ford last week in plans to shutter plants and slash thousands of jobs amid massive financial losses.

Local media is bristling at the fact that Toyota has surpassed Ford to take the number two spot in the United States in recent months and is expected to overtake GM in global sales this year.

The reports have related a backlash among the "good ole boys" of the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR) against the appearance of a Toyota at the Daytona 500 racetrack in Florida Sunday.

Racing team owner Jack Roush was quoted recently as saying: "Americans shouldn't buy Japanese cars."

And Detroit is fueling the fire with patriotic ad campaigns reminding customers that this is "our country."

Toyota's president for North America disagrees.

"We are an American company," Jim Press said in an interview recently, noting that many of the cars Toyota sells in the United States contain more American-built components than cars built by the US Big Three.

"If Toyota is an import car then Chrysler is an import: it's owned by a German company," Press said.

Toyota has also been fighting back with a series of print and television ads touting its 13 billion-dollar investments in ten US plants and employment of more than 35,000 Americans across the country.

It was a big shift for a company that traditionally focused simply on its products.

"The problem is people in Detroit are trying to define us and I guess we're trying to define ourselves," Press explained.

"We're a modest company. We focus on engineering good products and good customer service," he told AFP.

"We're not so good at politics and communications and all that stuff ... (but) it's focusing on us and that's why we're being a little more proactive on trying to communicate the facts."

Toyota's market research has shown that very few Americans carry their patriotism in their pocketbooks. If they did, sales certainly could not have grown so much.

But many full-sized truck customers have intense brand loyalty and it will take a lot of work to prove to them that Toyota can deliver the power and pull they are looking for.

Toyota's Tundra truck has already placed well in several NASCAR races. But racing the Camry in NASCAR's premier event and season opener, the Daytona 500, has been seen by some as the last straw.

A group calling itself Fans Against Racing Toyotas (FART) has launched a website lamenting the betrayal of beloved drivers who sat behind the wheel of a "foreign" racecar.

Despite the backlash and bad press, Toyota thinks the race is a great way to reach out to truck owners.

NASCAR is one of the most popular spectator sports in the United States with a traditional fan base in the rural heartland where Toyota has struggled harder to achieve sales.

Toyota aims to sell 200,000 Tundras in the United States this year, a modest ambition compared to the top-selling Ford F-150 series pick-up which sells between 800,000 and 900,000 vehicles a year.

But there is plenty of room left at Toyota's sprawling new truck plant in San Antonio, Texas. At 2,000 acres (809 hectares), it's the biggest manufacturing site in the world and is also bigger than Tokyo's Narita airport.

"We'll see how the reception is to the trucks and hopefully we'll be able to continue to grow our operations there," Press said.

One thing Press wishes more detractors could see is the impact Toyota has had on local communities.

He cited a recent television program about the devastation wrought on a local town after one of the Big Three shut down a plant.

"People should look at our plant in Tennessee. It's like the film is going in reverse. It just keeps growing," Press said.

Toyota posted record US sales in January capturing 16.1 percent of the US market as its sales rose 9.5 percent to 175,850 vehicles.
 
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I think DW said it best..."Monte Carlos and Chargers are made in Canada...Fusions are made in Mexico...Camrys are made in Kentucky..."

So, which is more 'American'.

Hell, my former car '99 Olds Alero...assembled in Delware...engine...from China...tranny...from Mexico...wheels/tires from Canada...all the electronics from Taiwan and Malaysia. Who are they kiddin'?

Very few people know this, but many of the early days of NASCAR had 'foreign' nameplates...like Jaguar, Porsche, etc...back when they actually used stock cars...
 
People have to realize that there's now a big difference between "an American company" and "jobs in America".

It's great that people are intensely loyal to the location of the corporate headquarters, but that's where a tiny fraction of the population gets paid an insanely high amount of money, and those are the people that the average worker despises.

If the average worker wants to put food on the table, there need to average jobs in this country. Many "American companies" are thinking that they can pay less for such jobs in other countries, and therefore those jobs are disappearing here.

I agree that it's a HUGE statement that of the four "stock" cars at Daytona, only one is normally made in the U.S.A., and it's the one everyone perceives as a foreign car.

Personally, I'd be loyal to the place where I actually work every day and get paid, and not the corporate headquarters, where only the rich get richer.
 
Well said, Toto.
American mega-corporations have no loyalty to the USA and American workers. They are governed by greedy, selfish plutocrats who could care less about anything but enriching themselves.
Why should we have any loyalty to them?

JP
 
Im as patriotic as anyone, else I wouldnt be here in the sandbox! But I want something that is going to work, not nickle or dime me every 10K miles, my parents had Suburbans and I cant even remember how many times my dad said "good thing I got the ext warranty!" Now he drives a 4R :D
 
Let's try to remember that it is Toyota's manufacturing model that makes its cars more American than the others. Instead of having long supply chains operating on the economy of scale that draws huge numbers of parts from the cheapest supplier possible, Toyota prefers to shorten and speed up supply chains by sourcing parts close to the plants. This keeps inventory down and quality up becuase your smaller shipments with defects are dealt with much more easily than large defective shipments. Paying a little more for parts in smaller amount closer to the point of use saves money and returns huge profits if done correctly.
Even though some American vehicles are inferior, they were'nt back in the day, when they got our parents and grandparents to work and church every week. While we all support Toyota, lets not forget that the rich are getting VERY rich in Japan at Toyota headquarters. Enough! just my $0.02:awais:
 
Where I live lots of people have Ford's and Chevy's and they call my car a "rice burner" or "jap crap". I wish people would just know facts about where the parts in there car come from and that Toyota manufactures most of there products in the US.
 
For certain folks, ignorance is a virtue.
The more ignorant a consumer is, the more likely he'll buy an inferior product.
 
1. I love this country !!

2. Nobody will watch out for me and my money except for me the Gov't does not really give a crap if I have money to pay my bills or not or if my vehicle is costing me a fortune in repairs that I can't afford.

3. I've always owned GM & Ford and honestly had relatively decent luck until the last one I had. (04 Z71 Tahoe ) I had the front axle go to crap after 2 yrs & 50k miles. I went back and forth with the dealer , regional managers , blah , blah hundreds of times. It was not covered under warranty anymore because it was like 2000 miles out of it. They basically told me to bad , so sad. I even offered to split the 3300 in repairs and they again said , sorry.

4. Would I buy another American product ( truck ) at this point no , but never say never.
 
TheBlueWave said:
lets not forget that the rich are getting VERY rich in Japan at Toyota headquarters.

And the executives running the American auto companies into the ground are probably paid more than the Toyota executives.
 
jwyshrek said:
I think DW said it best..."Monte Carlos and Chargers are made in Canada...Fusions are made in Mexico...Camrys are made in Kentucky..."

Anyone know where the actual info is for that statement? I know the sticker on the vehicle usually says what % came from where.
 
Don't know what % you are talking about.
Fact is Monte Carlos are made by GM Oshawa, Ontario and Chargers are made by Chrysler Brampton, Ontario. Not sure about the Fusion (and don't care for that matter.) I believe Camry's are also subcontracted out of a second plant in Illinois or Indiana.
 
Kmvreter said:
Don't know what % you are talking about.
Fact is Monte Carlos are made by GM Oshawa, Ontario and Chargers are made by Chrysler Brampton, Ontario. Not sure about the Fusion (and don't care for that matter.) I believe Camry's are also subcontracted out of a second plant in Illinois or Indiana.

The % I was referring to is something I've seen on new vehicles window sticker. My last vehicle (Honda Accord) still had the original build window sticker and I think it said something like 15% Japan and 85% America.
 
I love this country. I honorably serve this country for almost half of my life and I will do it again if they need me. I will patronize any American product if they have a good quality and best bang for my $$$. I just dont want a truck that will be Fix Or Repair Daily or Found On the Road Dead (FORD) or buy a Gawky Machine (GM) :p

Fans Against Racing Toyotas (FART)-you guys stinks :bash:
 
I feel more confiident that my old '00 4Runner will get me to my destination then my new '06 Mustang GT. I've got less then 6K miles on it and I already need to take it in to have the rear axle looked at, terrible whine coming out of it when I make turns. Already had to take it in to have a plastic trim piece replaced on the interior that broke off. My old 4Runner just plain feels like a better built vehicle and exudes quality.
 
I really don't care who is getting rich off whatever vehicle I buy.

I only care about the money I have to spend to get a reliable vehicle , with good resale value , and less out of pocket repair costs to me.

Like I said before , you better get the best value you can for your money , because no one cares about your money and the money you spend nearly as much as you do !!!!!
 

I really was not dead-set on getting a 4Runner, and was actually looking at an '05 Tacoma (similar engine & chassis) quad cab. I also considered a Ford Explorer as a possiblity for a vehicle.

Since I leased it, the Toyota's higher residual value made my payment a lot lower. I pay $264 a month with the Toyota, but similarly-equipped Explorer would have cost me almost $400 a month for the same lease!

Sorry, but I am not well off enough to subsidize Ford's proclivity to sell half its cars to rental fleets.
:bash:

I am not opposed to driving an "American" vehicle - if you can honestly even find one, but the "S" on my shirt doesn't stand for sucker.
:bigok:
 
....quality, cost and resale value comes before all of the 'Buy American Patriotism' bullshit being pumped out by the little three......
 
Dad has worked for Toyota for over 20 years, I worked for Toyota for many years, many friends that work at dealerships and corporate office.....they've done enough for people I know personally that I don't give 2 sheets where head office is. First thing's first for me....look out for number 1 and number 1's family.

If US automakers really you to "buy American," then build excellent vehicles and many won't have a problem doing so.....the shame game is just gay.
 
Kmvreter said:
I believe Camry's are also subcontracted out of a second plant in Illinois or Indiana.

Yup, it's in the Subaru plant. Camry's are made in three plants, Japan, Kentucky and the Indiana Subaru plant.

If the Big Three built vehicles that are dependable and hold up well with use, I'd consider one. We had a 2000 Chevy and twice the power brakes went out, where there was complete loss of braking power. But until then, Toyota all the way. I work hard for my money and what I spend on my money on needs to go that extra mile for me.
 

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