Planning a Trip to Death Valley

I didn't see it listed but a handheld CB radio is good to have in case you are out off cell phone range. Unless you have one mounted in your rig.

Another thing I hadn't really considered. I don't know much about handheld CB's (I have a permanent mounted one in my work truck but that's all the experience I have with them). Any suggestions on a reliable but good priced unit?

If you head out with a full tank, you won't have any problems. Distances aren't that great, and if you stick to mainly off road driving, most of those roads are not made for speed (you won't be driving huge distances). The only time I've encountered the need for spare gas was when some guy punctured his gas tank driving a stock 4x4.

Ok that's good to know. I just wasn't sure how many places they had gas stations in the park or just outside it but I prefer to not have to fashion something to mount the pax to if I plan to get a GOBI down the road anyways.

This is the upper part of Texas Springs Campground (barren & mostly for trailers/RVs) on a typical windy Death Valley day. I always hike around the hills surrounding the camp & have yet to not come across a tent that has been blown a 1/2 mile or more away from camp (with gear still inside it). Just to give you an idea of what you could be facing...or not.

Wow after seeing this picture I did some google image searching of the various campgrounds and there is literally NOTHING between campsites! Maybe we will see if the weather allows camping up the mountain where there is some tree's and stuff.

I also noticed most roads allow camping after 2 miles. Has anyone done any backcountry camping and could recommend nice spots?

Camping at the Saline Valley Hot Springs is a good option. When I was there last year in May we were the only campers there. Bring a bottle of bleach and TP as an offering to the spring gods...

Never heard of this place and appreciate the suggestion. From the research I did though it sounds like it is an all-day adventure to get out there and enjoy it. Maybe not in the cards this trip since we will only be there two days but I will definitely keep it in mind for future trips!

I agree with you, there's enough support within DV to keep you from running out completely, though I did bring an empty jerry can just in case I thought we'd deviate from any plans or move locations for any reason. Like I tell my wife when she asks if she should bring ___, it's better to have and not need than need and not have. An empty jerry can wont do you any good if you need it, but at least having one to possibly fill up can't hurt if plans change.

Probably a good idea. It's just the wife and I on this adventure so we will have plenty of room. I guess I could throw an empty $10 can in the truck in case I find that I plan to drive longer than expected

I am a stickler for guy-lines regardless of what the weather forecast is. I put almost every one on every single time.

The tent we bought is the REI Kingdom 6 and it was extremely highly rated but that was the one thing that people warned of; tie it down! They said it is prone to catch the wind so to use all available guy-lines and to even buy more to make sure it is super secure. I haven't bought spare lines yet but I will definitely do so before heading out.

I visit every January and have spent a lot of time there. The above suggestions are great. Most of the roads I've been on there are well graded dirt roads -- often times with washboarding. If you want to see a bit more of what to expect there, here's a preview video for the video journals I film on my photography trips. You'll see a bit of the sort of weather that can happen there, as well as the sort of roads you'll be driving on. I ended up replacing my windshield after my last visit. A dust storm pitted it quite badly.

Also, don't underestimate the distances you'll be driving within the park, and keep a close eye on how much gas you have. I carry 8 gallons on the roof of my 4runner just in case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiT5RhKjjaA

Appreciate the video and experience!

First and foremost it can get hot and freezing cold in the winter! Like other have mentioned bring at least 1 gallon per person/per day.

If you have room pack a walking sticks and put them in the tent. We woke up to a sidewinder outside the tent coiled up under the rain fly. I had to nudge him of his way with the stick. They are much smaller than I ever thought they would be.

If it does rain it can quickly turn into a flash flood with rock and mud slides. I have been there and had to spend the night trapped because the roads were impassible from boulders and rock that washed out the road and blocked it. Get to high ground if you see a storm coming. Also the opposite I have been in a sand storm and couldn't see 10 feet in front of the car. Clean out the air filter. The mountain passes can also close from heavy snow fall until it is cleared.

A thicker tire & spare is required by the park to travel roads to the "racetrack". There are very few people out that way and getting help could be delayed for a day or two.

This is one of my favorite parks in the lower 48 with Canyonlands being my all time favorite. You can drive for a couple of hours in either direction and not see many people.

Scottie's castle is cool but I don't really think worth the money.

Fill up the gas tank before you go into the park. It is nearly double the price inside the park. There are two main towns inside and have most things you will need if you forget something.

Cell service can be bad in a lot of areas.

Lots of great info here! I had heard to be wary walking the dunes at night due to sidewinders but hadn't considered them at camp. I will definitely throw our walking sticks into the gear bundle as I don't normally carry them.

I had also seen that many roads can be closed if it rains so if we decide to backcountry camp I will definitely keep an eye on the forecast and the clouds. Would hate to get stranded. Last camping trip it rained so bad in AZ that we couldn't drive our car out of the campsite back to the road. I had to drive all the way back home and pick up a car hauler trailer and use my 3/4 ton pickup to tow the car out of the campsite!

I am actually glad to hear that about the Racetrack. Doubt we will have issues getting there but the fewer people the better for me. So if it's a rough drive maybe there won't be many people out there. Also didn't consider price gouging on gas and such so I will make sure to gas up before entering park.

Thanks for all the great info!
 
Maybe not relevant to Death Valley specifically - But never underestimate how dark places like this can get at night. It's extremely easy to get turned around and lost, even with flash-lights, in the middle of the night.
 
Another thing I hadn't really considered. I don't know much about handheld CB's (I have a permanent mounted one in my work truck but that's all the experience I have with them). Any suggestions on a reliable but good priced unit?

I also noticed most roads allow camping after 2 miles. Has anyone done any backcountry camping and could recommend nice spots?

I have a handheld ham radio. You can get the frequencies that the park uses at the visitors center. (we don't usually go to the visitor center, since we have a lifetime park pass, they've already seen it ).

We camp off of Greenwater Valley road (very nice), not as often West Side road (they are very rocky), Hidden Valley (very nice), Eureka Valley, (rugged) among others. I pull a JJ trailer, so I have to watch where we go.

DV is a level one Dark Park, so as long as you don't face East, the sky views are incredible. Facing East shows you the lights of Las Vegas. If you want to see a Level three DP go to Rainbow Bridge NP in Utah.

I would post pics but this site sucks for posting pics.

http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&pageid=139091
 
Another thing I hadn't really considered. I don't know much about handheld CB's (I have a permanent mounted one in my work truck but that's all the experience I have with them). Any suggestions on a reliable but good priced unit?

You have a Fry's Electronics in Flagstaff, I would go there.

I prefer the Cobra handheld (just bought one) since it also has the WX / weather stations. It's a better handheld but $69 (or $78 with additional car antenna). Don't forget the 9 AA batteries (I got NMHi x 10 for another $25)

There is a lower priced Lawrence I believe for $48 but it's very basic.

I have a 35 year old Cobra 148 GTL that is peaked and tweaked so it put's out way more power. I have had it in all my previous trucks but it's way to big and I'm not ready to make mounting holes in my new ride. I bought the handheld for our SoCal run in a couple weeks.
 
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Death Valley Nov 20-23 & 24 (bonus day)

[MENTION=129748]jdtaylor42[/MENTION] and anyone else talking Death Valley or wanting to go...with a group of Toyota's

If any of you interested I just got done doing a 3 Day Mojave Trail Run we ran it from east to west starting in Laughlin on the Colorado River and drove the entire Mojave ending in Barstow.
We already have are next run set in stone including trails,camp destinations,time frames,site seeing locations such as Barker Ranch (Charles Manson Ranch hideout where he was caught) and the best possible photo opportunities for scenic backdrops, trails from easy to hard and all have exit points if you choose to go around it and adventure around til the group is done and rally out again.
So all of the hard part is done for you and dont even have to think, just drive and have fun.

But this time its a 3 Day Death Valley Nov 20-23
This is the real deal My buddy Craig (N2Deep) over on TundraTalk.net is running it and heading it all the detailed info is there he even posted last week he was thinking of opening it up for 4Runners here on T4R to roll along and after us he's opening it up the the Raptor Crew just to fill spots since your allowed up to 20 vehicles ...if we don't bring a large representation to the run. Alot of you say how you wanna do these kind of runs and we talk about it get all pumped up and it just stops there, well heres a great opportunity for one hell of a trip. It's not just talk now.

From here on T4R it's myself and another member [MENTION=128841]Spenny[/MENTION] going so far if you wanna roll just let me know and also set up an account over on tundra talk to see all info.lt's gonna be epic
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Maybe not relevant to Death Valley specifically - But never underestimate how dark places like this can get at night. It's extremely easy to get turned around and lost, even with flash-lights, in the middle of the night.

Definitely relevant in DV, we went out to the dunes to do some night photography. Even with no moon the stars offer tremendous illumination. However, any cloud cover and it's DARK so it can be easy to get turned around. Good call!
 
I've added an Antigravity micro starter XP-1 to my off road kit...in case you need a jump start when no one is around.
 
Maybe not relevant to Death Valley specifically - But never underestimate how dark places like this can get at night. It's extremely easy to get turned around and lost, even with flash-lights, in the middle of the night.

Great point. We will definitely be doing some traveling at night for some isolated night sky views so will have to keep it in mind to keep our bearings.

I have a handheld ham radio. You can get the frequencies that the park uses at the visitors center. (we don't usually go to the visitor center, since we have a lifetime park pass, they've already seen it ).

We camp off of Greenwater Valley road (very nice), not as often West Side road (they are very rocky), Hidden Valley (very nice), Eureka Valley, (rugged) among others. I pull a JJ trailer, so I have to watch where we go.

DV is a level one Dark Park, so as long as you don't face East, the sky views are incredible. Facing East shows you the lights of Las Vegas. If you want to see a Level three DP go to Rainbow Bridge NP in Utah.

I would post pics but this site sucks for posting pics.

http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&pageid=139091

Awesome thanks for the suggestions! I will definitely research those camping spots.

You have a Fry's Electronics in Flagstaff, I would go there.

I prefer the Cobra handheld (just bought one) since it also has the WX / weather stations. It's a better handheld but $69 (or $78 with additional car antenna). Don't forget the 9 AA batteries (I got NMHi x 10 for another $25)

There is a lower priced Lawrence I believe for $48 but it's very basic.

I have a 35 year old Cobra 148 GTL that is peaked and tweaked so it put's out way more power. I have had it in all my previous trucks but it's way to big and I'm not ready to make mounting holes in my new ride. I bought the handheld for our SoCal run in a couple weeks.

I have just started to research some CB/HAM options. Got to use some small HAM radios wheeling with a buddy last weekend and they were excellent. Seems like a good investment for the truck.

[MENTION=129748]jdtaylor42[/MENTION] and anyone else talking Death Valley or wanting to go...with a group of Toyota's

If any of you interested I just got done doing a 3 Day Mojave Trail Run we ran it from east to west starting in Laughlin on the Colorado River and drove the entire Mojave ending in Barstow.
We already have are next run set in stone including trails,camp destinations,time frames,site seeing locations such as Barker Ranch (Charles Manson Ranch hideout where he was caught) and the best possible photo opportunities for scenic backdrops, trails from easy to hard and all have exit points if you choose to go around it and adventure around til the group is done and rally out again.
So all of the hard part is done for you and dont even have to think, just drive and have fun.

But this time its a 3 Day Death Valley Nov 20-23
This is the real deal My buddy Craig (N2Deep) over on TundraTalk.net is running it and heading it all the detailed info is there he even posted last week he was thinking of opening it up for 4Runners here on T4R to roll along and after us he's opening it up the the Raptor Crew just to fill spots since your allowed up to 20 vehicles ...if we don't bring a large representation to the run. Alot of you say how you wanna do these kind of runs and we talk about it get all pumped up and it just stops there, well heres a great opportunity for one hell of a trip. It's not just talk now.

From here on T4R it's myself and another member [MENTION=128841]Spenny[/MENTION] going so far if you wanna roll just let me know and also set up an account over on tundra talk to see all info.lt's gonna be epic
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Oh man that sounds amazing! I wish those dates worked with my schedule but we have a big shutdown at work that week that I have to present for. Lots of OT but I guess that pays for truck parts!

Sounds like you do these semi-regularly though so I will keep my eyes open for future trips in the SW. Thanks for the heads up!

I've added an Antigravity micro starter XP-1 to my off road kit...in case you need a jump start when no one is around.

Very cool! I have never seen these before! Sounds like a great thing to have around in an isolated area.


I started putting together my kit and this is some of the stuff I have built out:

IMG_1697_zpsafkxvqq6.jpg~original


I have a large Pelican case that will carry my air compressor and accessories, tow strap, tow shackle, air down kit, and tire repair kit. I am working on putting together another Pelican case for my hand tools.

I also noticed you cannot set up a campfire in Death Valley unless it is in an existing, approved fire pit in established campgrounds. Well camping without fire sucks so I bought a "Little Red Campfire" that is propane fired which is allowed. It also has a little grilltop so it can double as our grill. Tested it last night and thing works like a champ.

IMG_1703_zpsj2xc0vqx.jpg~original


Best part though is I bought it from Amazon and when it arrived the bottom fake log had a piece broken off so I called to get a replacement and they said if it worked ok and I preferred they could just refund me $45 on the price. So I only ended up paying like $65 for this thing and it works great!
 
I just returned from DV after three days. Many of the roads were closed due to the recent heavy rain. Hence, there were trails I couldn't get too. It sounds like you have some good advice on gear. My advice is to do your due diligence. Inspect your rig and make sure all is good to go. I changed fluids and put my FJ on a hoist and gave it the once over three times. I even changed two tires, even though they had less than 5,000 miles on them. One tire had a date code from 2007 and one tire had a small superficial cut on the sidewall. Since I prefer to wheel solo, just me and the wife, I try to be overly cautious regarding prepping my rig. Check all steering, brakes and suspension components. Make sure the winch is in working order, all lights etc work. Better to find a problem or anticipate one before a trip than on the trail.

Take plenty of water and lastly be prepared to have European tourists everywhere you go.

Cheers, Steve
 

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