PP Springs, 1 or 2 inches of lift??????

[blackt4r]

First off let me say this is a great website with tons of information, I've enjoyed reading different topics for a while now. So I figured if anyone can help it's you guys.

Question: I want to get the PP springs. Now they say you'll get 1 inch lift out of these spings......okay...good. Since I have an 02 t4r, and they are an inch lower than other years does that mean that I'll end up getting 2 inches of lift??

Also, is there anything else I should get if I install these springs?

Thanks for any help!!!

 

[RonMAIDEN]

Actually on the '01+ you will see a little over 2" since the other years see over an inch.

You really should comliment the coils with a set of Bilstiens and that's what is recommended since they were setup as a kit. The springs are actually made in Germany by H&R Springs which are high quality.

 

[blackt4r]

2 inches would be perfect since I'm getting a slight rub at full turn to the left, just got new 265/75/16 BFG A/T's. Since I have nowhere to work on my runner would anyone have an idea how much it would cost to get them installed?

 

[grimpy]

IIRC, they aren't an inch shorter than other years... Only the 99 4wd's came with the extra inch taller coils... I've heard early 00 4wd's as well but my 3/00 build 4wd didn't come with the taller coils...

So technically, the coils from 96-98's and most 00-02 are the same height.... not the taller coil springs.

Factory 4WD coils should lift a 2WD a little though...

Someone please correct me if I am wrong... who knows!

 

[lee]

you are wrong.

01-02's had about 3/4" shorter coils.

 

[RonMAIDEN]

Oh yeah,when I park next to an '01 it's quite noticeable and my mom's '99 Limited even looks big next to an '01 and she doesn't have the taller coils and not all '99 4wd had the taller coils. I do think all '99 Highlanders had them.

 

[blackt4r]

Hey kids, don't make me pull this car over So do you think I'll have to worry about cv joints, or need to drop anyting in the suspension?

Mine is 4wd, sport edition.

 

[lee]

i had the pp coils. i can tell you from experience, theyre awesome and that no you do not have to modify anything, worry about cv angles, or drop anything.

 

[blackt4r]

That's good, I know the spings and shocks aren't going to be very cheep, espically if I have to have them installed by someone. I need to find a garage so I can do it myself!

I think I'll order the shock/spings next week.......I need to use that credit card for something......right.

 

[grimpy]

I read something Shaeffer posted last year on a thread regarding the spring differences... I'm going to dig it up real quick...

http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=74194&highlight=coil+height

"1996-1998 had shorter coils. One complete wrap less.

Some late 1998's got the 99 coils, some early 2000's got the 99 coils.

Most of the 2000's and all of the 01-02 have one complete wrap less.

The difference between 2WD and 4WD is 1". So a 99 2WD rear coil and a 1996-1998 or a 2001-2002 4WD will be the same.

If you want longer coils, you would have to get the 99 4WD rears and that 99 4WD would have had to come from the factory with 16" wheels.

Well yeah.........., 2001 4WD rear coils ARE THE SAME as 99 2WD coils. They lowered the 2001 an inch.

Should have asked me. You want 1999 4WD V6, 16" Wheel, 4WD rear coils."


So according to Shaeffer, the 2wd 99's sat the same height as all other 4wds and the 99 4wd's v6's with 16" factory wheels sit an inch higher than the other 4wds... Then most 00's and all 01-02's lost one coil which results in losing approx. 1" of lift... He also mentioned that the 99 2wd, 96-98, & 01-02 4wd coils will be the same... So in the 96-98 and 01-02 4wd coils should be the same...

I do notice that the 01-02's sit a bit lower but according to the man... the 4wd coils are the same...

He's done comparisons... so I believe him...
http://www.sonoransteel.com/front_coil-springs.html

However, on this page... he does mention that the 01-02 are considered the lowriders...
http://www.sonoransteel.com/store_complete_liftkits.html

The 3rd Gen 4Runner was introduced in 1996 and apparently Toyota was not pleased with the original front coils as they were changed for the 1997 model year even though no significant changes were made to the 4Runner. These coils ran from 1997 to 1998. In 1999 Toyota added the extra crush zone up front and the fat lip front bumper to facilitate it. Things were good and the 1999 4Runner sat higher than any 3rd Gen 4Runner to date. At the same time the Ford Explorer/Firestone Tire blowout/rollover media blitz hit. Toyota reacted by yanking the 2000 model year down lower mid production very early in the 2000 model years run. The 2001 and the 2002 are without a doubt the "Low Rider" 4Runners. This kit takes the best the factory had to offer in 1999 and applies it to every 4Runner from 1996 to 2002, 2WD and 4WD. The 2WD trucks will go up 2" from where they sat new and 4WD trucks will go up 1" from where they sat new. Does every 1999 have these magic coils? No way, only a few did and the chances of finding them in a junk yard is possible but, it is very slim that you find a 1999 and only a 1999 with the specific options factory installed, not dealer installed.

I'll conclude that I am totally lost on this subject now...

 

[blackt4r]

my head hurts now:bash:

What I'll do is measure from the ground to the bottom of the wheelwell, install the springs/shocks and remeasure. That should tell everyone what this setup will yield.......right. I'll even put a mark on a piece of tape so I know I'll measure to the same spot.

Mine is a 4x4 not 4x2.

 

[lee]

sort of

youre not factoring in the settling the springs do over time though

so if you find a sagging 99 or something, it may equal a current 01.