So with the current choices in a t4r, you have two choices - PT 4WD with locking diff or FT 4WD (no locking diff). What would you choose?
question about part-time 4WD on Trail Edition
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I've found the exact same things. I'm still on the OEM Duelers, too! I've even been slightly bummed at how little my T4R has needed the 4WD. The traction control and stability control is very impressive about keeping the truck going the way you want it to go. There was one drive across the mountains where we had about 4 inches of snow on the road. That is about the extent of my 4WD for bad weather in 13k miles. I've used it way more off the pavement.
For those concerned about a surprise drift of snow in the road, if you don't make any ridiculous motions, your momentum will carry you right through without any drama. If it is really bad... slow down.
JB.
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You can. Must be a typo. Just switch the PT and FT.
Not in the 5th gen. Here is the Toyota spec sheet - 4Runner - 2011 Performance & Specifications. Didn't see it in any of the ones that I looked at.
JB.
New member
Download the brochure or just ask a Limited owner.
I am wondering if we are talking the same thing as there is a locking rear differential which is described for the TE as:
Locking Rear Differential
Trail’s locking rear differential does its best work when you’re axle-deep in mud or on a moss-slicked boat ramp. Lock the rear differential and power is distributed evenly to both rear wheels, keeping them moving at the same speed, even when one wheel is off the ground. Or, if you’re crawling over boulders, the locking rear differential’s precise and predictable power output helps you move at a very controlled pace over precarious obstacles. Now, that’s capability.
Then there is a description of the Limited as follows:
Full-time 4WD system with Active Traction Control (A-TRAC) and Torsen®2 limited-slip center differential with locking feature.
Not sure that they operate the same. Let others chime in here.
Locking Rear Differential
Trail’s locking rear differential does its best work when you’re axle-deep in mud or on a moss-slicked boat ramp. Lock the rear differential and power is distributed evenly to both rear wheels, keeping them moving at the same speed, even when one wheel is off the ground. Or, if you’re crawling over boulders, the locking rear differential’s precise and predictable power output helps you move at a very controlled pace over precarious obstacles. Now, that’s capability.
Then there is a description of the Limited as follows:
Full-time 4WD system with Active Traction Control (A-TRAC) and Torsen®2 limited-slip center differential with locking feature.
Not sure that they operate the same. Let others chime in here.
harper7
Senior Member
Pretty obvious you are clueless. The Limited with FT 4WD can be locked so it's EXACTLY like part time. THAT'S the benefit. What kind of vehicle did you get stuck in that had a Torsen that you said. Why didn't you lock it in ? Or was it even a Torsen center diff?
We are talking about the center diff in this thread. Then you start talking about the rear locker which can only be used in 4LO btw, which has nothing to do with part or full time 4WD.
I also drove a 2WD 4Runner for the last 5 years before my 5th so I know first hand how they handle in slippery conditions.
I drove a t4r with awd for 4 years. You did not drive a 5th gen 2WD for 5 years because they haven't been out that long. Whether your experience on previous versions translates to the 5th gen is another discussion.
Are you able to discuss something without being insulting?
Are you able to discuss something without being insulting?
JB.
New member
Not sure what the confusion is but here are the facts that you can easily prove to yourself, but let's not try to do it here.
5th gen 4runner
SR5.......Traditional PT transfer, no locking rear diff
Trail.......Traditional PT transer, locking rear diff
Limited...FT 4WD with Locking center diff, no locking rear. Same transfer as 4th gen FT 4WD with slight operational difference (no low, unlocked).
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harper7
Senior Member
You are giving wrong advice to the OP that asked what the difference is and if part time can be used all the time and would best fit his requirement.
What would like to discuss JustLeft and I will try to not insult anymore ?I didn't think I was that hard on you considering all the complete BS statements you were making. The thread started by the OP is about whether a part time 4WD system can be driven in 4WD all the time because the dealer told him correctly that it can't and if the TE would meet his requirements.Has nothing to do with opinions,just facts.
From reading and comprehending his question, a Limited would better fit his requirements.
For the record I wrote"I also drove a 2WD 4Runner for the last 5 years before my 5th so I know first hand how they handle in slippery conditions."
No part of that said I drove a 5th Gen for the last 5 years.
Maybe you should go back and read my posts. I offered no advice other than my experience driving both. Show me anywhere in this thread that I said you could drive a PT 4WD on dry pavement. I also asked a question to DaveS, not you, as to his preference between the two systems. I don't see them being the same thing, although they are similar. In low I can lock my rear differential so that both rear wheels are turning at the same speed. I see this as different than a center locking differential which locks the front to the rear, but I don't believe it locks the rear wheels so they turn at the same speed. So my question is simple - if you shift into low in the Limited can you lock the rear differential as well as the center differential?
You are entertaining. In one sentence you say you will not try to insult me anymore, then you call everything I've said BS. You wouldn't happen to be my mother-in-law would you?
You are entertaining. In one sentence you say you will not try to insult me anymore, then you call everything I've said BS. You wouldn't happen to be my mother-in-law would you?
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harper7
Senior Member
Go back and read your statements in post #41 and #45 and see if you still think they are true.
SeattleMike
New member
Perhaps people could quit using "locking diff" or similar when referring to the Torsen rather than the rear differential. It's confusing to newbies and makes it REALLY hard to read a thread. Yes, I know that "technically" a Torsen is a differential that can be "locked", but that isn't helpful when comparing a 5th Gen Limited to a 5th Gen TE.
All you 4th Gen owners, kindly bugger off.
All you 4th Gen owners, kindly bugger off.
JB.
New member
OK, now I see you were referring to a rear diff. Since the original poster and thread were all about the transfer case, I assumed you were talking about that.
JB.
New member
Perhaps people could quit using "locking diff" or similar when referring to the Torsen rather than the rear differential. It's confusing to newbies and makes it REALLY hard to read a thread. Yes, I know that "technically" a Torsen is a differential that can be "locked", but that isn't helpful when comparing a 5th Gen Limited to a 5th Gen TE.
All you 4th Gen owners, kindly bugger off.
Don't you have some hourly 5th gen sales numbers to compute or something?
SeattleMike
New member
I agree, my bad for not being clearer!
Re-read. JB's comment above hits the point - my reference was to the locking rear diff not the transfer case. Hopefully that clears things up.
Re-read. JB's comment above hits the point - my reference was to the locking rear diff not the transfer case. Hopefully that clears things up.
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That's why I said "along with ATRAC" in my post. The Torsen doesn't act alone, it's aided by electronics.
