Radio/GPS area illumination lights

dcjeeper

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My wife's 2016 SR5's radio/GPS area control buttons are dark at night without backlight when the exterior lights are on, although the radio screen is working fine. The Radio, APPS,Navigation, Seek, FF, FW etc buttons works but no light at night. I don't remember if they were lit when it's new. Anyone knows if there's a problem for the lights or not? The backlights for speedometer area work fine.
 
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So I located a burnt 7.5 fuse at the driver side panel fuse box. Replaced it twice and burnt again. Where might the short circuit happen?
 
So I located a burnt 7.5 fuse at the driver side panel fuse box. Replaced it twice and burnt again. Where might the short circuit happen?

Unfortunately it could be anywhere behind the dash between the light in question and the fuse. have you had the dash apart for any reason lately? Any work done? Head unit installed? Something else? That's where I'd start but if none of those things happened then you're in for some fun I'm afraid.
 
Unfortunately it could be anywhere behind the dash between the light in question and the fuse. have you had the dash apart for any reason lately? Any work done? Head unit installed? Something else? That's where I'd start but if none of those things happened then you're in for some fun I'm afraid.

Nothing done before. Just noticed the problem recently. Sounds like I have to go to stealers and be ready to pay $$$ ...
 
Anyone has a step-by-step instruction or video for removing the trim around the dimmer switch? I removed the center console and didn't see anything wrong for the wires. thinking maybe there were something wrong near the dimmer switch. Dimmer works for the instrument cluster lights. I assume the other non-woking lights are controlled by the dimmer too. There must be a short circuit in that group.
 
Just for diagnoses purposes to keep you from going to the stealership, are you sure that your the light adjuster knob on the left side of the steering wheel isn't turned all the way down?

EDIT: Just saw your post regarding the dimmer switch. Sorry
 
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Anyone has a step-by-step instruction or video for removing the trim around the dimmer switch? I removed the center console and didn't see anything wrong for the wires. thinking maybe there were something wrong near the dimmer switch. Dimmer works for the instrument cluster lights. I assume the other non-woking lights are controlled by the dimmer too. There must be a short circuit in that group.

This is to install a switch panel but step 1 should help with removal of that panel and everything else.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2493/2184/files/54-1130-G5_Install_Instructions.pdf?17365
 
So I removed the center console trim and visually checked the connections. Haven’t seen any burned parts yet. Actually all the electrical functions work, except the back lights. Can a blew out bulb cause short circuit and burnt the fuse? How to check the bulbs behind the buttons? They do not seem to be easily reached. Sorry about the upside down of picture 2. I uploaded from my cellphone. The brown 7.5 mini fuse on the first row in picture 3 is the one keeps blown out.
 

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Hi. I’m s ham radio operator, love electronics as a hobby and these types are the most

Start at either end, fuse box and radio and trace wires to look for a pinch. If you can’t then it possibly could be an improper wiring job from the factory

I would at least attempt to contact the dealer and see what they say

@OldRed might know off the top of his computer brain what’s wrong - he is incredible with this stuff


This is a start, I’ll look more at diagram when I have a chance

Cheers

Bob


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Hi. I’m s ham radio operator, love electronics as a hobby and these types are the most

Start at either end, fuse box and radio and trace wires to look for a pinch. If you can’t then it possibly could be an improper wiring job from the factory

I would at least attempt to contact the dealer and see what they say

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My first inclination is to disconnect the battery and let it sit overnight for the ECU to reset....reconnect and see if that works....but my guess is that its not the ECU since the lights don't go through the ECU.

Look at the electrical chart. There is a wire labeled P (I think pink color) wire from the 7.5a fuse to a junction connector G13A - G14B then labeled GR, probably green colored to the radio lights. The short has to be in that path somewhere. I would start with the radio and work toward the fuse box. A simple guess, its in one of those connectors. Pin bent, or a short there. If you unplug 1 connector and the fuse does not blow, then you know the short is past the connector point. Just troubleshoot along that path until you find it. My guess is, it was this way from the factory.....

Cheers,

Bob
 

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FYI, there aren’t any replaceable bulbs for the back lighting on the climate controls. It’s all leds on a circuit board.
 
Helping because I can.

Hi. I’m s ham radio operator, love electronics as a hobby and these types are the most

Start at either end, fuse box and radio and trace wires to look for a pinch. If you can’t then it possibly could be an improper wiring job from the factory

I would at least attempt to contact the dealer and see what they say

@OldRed might know off the top of his computer brain what’s wrong - he is incredible with this stuff


This is a start, I’ll look more at diagram when I have a chance

Cheers

Bob


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm breaking one of my new rules in regards to this forum, but hopefully I can help sort this one out and avoid the dealer.
[MENTION=75046]Bugser[/MENTION] is right. [MENTION=316082]dcjeeper[/MENTION], you need to trace the circuit.

Start at one end and work your way through each connection. I have attached the Interior Illumination Wiring Diagram for the dash lights for all the buttons and radio. The 7.A Panel fuse is the correct fuse for the dash illumination. Since it keeps blowing, there is most definitely a short. Whether or not the short is in the main wiring harness, or a component needs to be determined. Taking this to the dealer is going to be expensive to trouble shoot, and can be done yourself.

First, has any wiring modification been done to the vehicle? Adding switches, etc? This is important, because more than likely that is where the issue is located. If not, here is how I would go about trouble shooting. First and foremost, disconnect the battery while you pull things apart.

Based on the diagram every dash light is fed in parallel, (Green +) with everything grounding (Grey) at the instrument cluster. (There are chips in the cluster that drive the dimming circuit, so if you use the dimmer switch to dim the instrument cluster and it works fine, the problem is not there). You need to remove each component from the overall system to see which is the one causing the short. Some minor dash surgery is going to be required but should narrow it down.

Starting on the driver side, unplug the connector going to the heated wiper switch. To get to that, just pull the dash trim part with the mirror adjustment and dimmer switch straight out from the dash and reach behind the driver knee panel rather than remove it.

Next remove the heater panel, head unit, and if you have factory heated seats, the top center console cover so you can unplug those switches as well as the illumination for the shifter position light Also remove the security indicator light near the heater control panel ( Pull it straight out from the dash and unplug the connector). Reach behind the dash clock and unplug it. Remove the overhead console by removing the two bolts in the sunglass holder and then pull straight down. There is one connector for the whole overhead. Unplug each individual switch in the overhead console as well.

Note that you will not be able to unplug the glove box light, as that is crimped onto the harness. I doubt it is the issue. Now the only thing that is left on the main harness at this point will be the glove box light, and steering wheel switches. If you had a short in the clockspring circuit that feeds those switches, you would have other issues.

With everything unplugged from the main harness, reconnect the battery and turn your headlight switch to the park position. If the fuse blows instantly with nothing connected, the short is in the wiring for the main harness. If it doesn't blow, now we know it is a specific component, and we can add things back one by one until the fuse blows. When it does, that's the component that is bad.

Go test, and get back to us so that we know what is actually wrong.

-Old Red





 
Thank you guys so much for the detailed suggestion. The lights not working are the center console buttons only. Digital clock works. The AT gear indicator does have a bulb and it’s not working. I found the wires are green and grey for the bulb. It will be a difficult troubleshooting as so many things could be wrong. But seems like I need to pay more attention to green and grey wires. I’ll update the post if I figured it out.
 

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