Range Rover Sport owner looking to switch to the 4R

[JSparky]

Great feedback, thanks. I spent about 15 minutes inside the 4R and I liked the interior--it was rugged, simple, and felt correct for the type of vehicle it is (adventure/outdoors/utilitarian). I spent some time pushing on various surfaces to see if there was any creaking or give due to poor assembly/engineering and didn't find anything like that. The RRS has a simple and elegant interior, but it better given that it's a $70k+ luxury SUV lol

I looked at the GX and it doesn't do it for me. A little too pretty on the outside.



I'd probably keep it stock for a month or so, then grab the 17" TRD matte black rims (really dig those) and put on some KO2s or Cooper ATPs. The 4R definitely looks like it could use some spacers to help out with the stance and make it look less wobbly if that makes sense.

Ok, something to consider looking a little further down the road. The Limited 4Runner has a different lower fascia than the sr5 and trail. I cracked the factory bumper up on my Limited within the first 1000 miles. In my opinion, if you plan on wheeling a Limited, even with a lift and tires, you should prepare yourself for both front and rear bumper damage and/or be ready to fit aftermarket high clearance bumpers. I also believe that the bumpers that come on the sr5 and trail models have relatively enough clearance to not require replacing like the Limited's do.

Regarding your gx460 comment, if you plan on wheeling your new truck on harder trails, the gx460 is in the same boat as the Limited 4Runner regarding bumper clearance. The rear of the gx isn't so bad, but the front would definitely need to be addressed. Given that the gx is essentially a Prado, I'm sure Arb could work with you to fit one of their bumpers.

Another option would be to fit sr5/trail trim to the Limited 4Runner, granted that the colors match.

Lastly, consider the fact that aftermarket bumpers add significant weight and change driving dynamics.

Long story short here is that if you plan on wheeling a Limited and don't want to run aftermarket bumpers, consider getting a color that sr5/trails come in, or get an sr5/trail and add aftermarket katskinz leather with heater and cooler elements, remote start, etc to get the comfort features. Everyone has a different definition of "off-roading" so perhaps if you provide some examples of the trails and trips you'd like to take that could help. Hope this makes sense!

 

[JSparky]

Another follow up cause I never seem to get it all in, but I'm in the Bay Area and have a built Limited with armor, bumpers, etc. If you'd like to meet for coffee or something and talk vehicles or check out mine let me know, I'd be more than happy.. always open to meeting new potential trip members.

 

[adaml]

As a man who absolutely loves his 4Runner, I would tell you to keep the Range Rover. It'll be reliable if you take care of it and it's more capable than a Limited anyways. The only thing you really gain is some cargo space and some resale value.

 

[engineeer]

Call me crazy guys, but the 4Runner holds its own very well against the new Range Rover Sport. I've test driven it two more times since I made this thread.

Engine: most noticeable downgrade from the V6 Supercharged RRS, but it's not a deal-breaker by any means. It can get up to highway speeds quickly and there was no shortage of power to pass. I can see passing people on uphills being an issue, but oh well.

Brakes: RRS are better, but the 4R LE has pretty solid brakes too. I read a lot about "nose dive" on the 4R, but under heavy braking it was only slightly worse than the RRS.

Transmission: I think a lot of the "woes" of the engine and fuel economy would be solved by an extra couple of gears in the transmission.

Handling: X-REAS does a pretty good job. The RRS is pretty flat through corners (despite the big KO2s), but the 4R stays surprisingly flat too.

Interior: RRS is a clear winner here, but the 4R is not too shabby at all. I'm a little confused by the layout of the shifter, cupholders, and the drive-select, but not a big deal. A little less headroom (I'm 6'3") in the 4R than the RRS, but manageable.

I'm in the negotiation process right now. At 7% off MSRP for a 2016. Trying to see if I can get closer to 9-10% off.

 

[philsey]

Call me crazy guys, but the 4Runner holds its own very well against the new Range Rover Sport. I've test driven it two more times since I made this thread.

Engine: most noticeable downgrade from the V6 Supercharged RRS, but it's not a deal-breaker by any means. It can get up to highway speeds quickly and there was no shortage of power to pass. I can see passing people on uphills being an issue, but oh well.

Brakes: RRS are better, but the 4R LE has pretty solid brakes too. I read a lot about "nose dive" on the 4R, but under heavy braking it was only slightly worse than the RRS.

Transmission: I think a lot of the "woes" of the engine and fuel economy would be solved by an extra couple of gears in the transmission.

Handling: X-REAS does a pretty good job. The RRS is pretty flat through corners (despite the big KO2s), but the 4R stays surprisingly flat too.

Interior: RRS is a clear winner here, but the 4R is not too shabby at all. I'm a little confused by the layout of the shifter, cupholders, and the drive-select, but not a big deal. A little less headroom (I'm 6'3") in the 4R than the RRS, but manageable.

I'm in the negotiation process right now. At 7% off MSRP for a 2016. Trying to see if I can get closer to 9-10% off.

I don't think you're crazy a bit. I've owned cool cars (Porsche 356), cool/fast cars (Porsche 911S), unusual cars (2 SAAB Turbos), stupid cars (Olds diesel), and I'm so over it. I'll take reliability over everything. There is no feature that I want over dead-bang reliability. Fortunately we can have that and decent looks/features too.

(ETA: I'm going to play snowbird all of Feb., and other than checking pressure in 5 tires, WW fluid, and bty., I don't even have to think about my vehicle). Love it.

7% is above average, but 10% is reported. GL, and report back.

Good thread.

 

[1engineer]

Call me crazy guys, but the 4Runner holds its own very well against the new Range Rover Sport. I've test driven it two more times since I made this thread.

Engine: most noticeable downgrade from the V6 Supercharged RRS, but it's not a deal-breaker by any means. It can get up to highway speeds quickly and there was no shortage of power to pass. I can see passing people on uphills being an issue, but oh well.

Brakes: RRS are better, but the 4R LE has pretty solid brakes too. I read a lot about "nose dive" on the 4R, but under heavy braking it was only slightly worse than the RRS.

Transmission: I think a lot of the "woes" of the engine and fuel economy would be solved by an extra couple of gears in the transmission.

Handling: X-REAS does a pretty good job. The RRS is pretty flat through corners (despite the big KO2s), but the 4R stays surprisingly flat too.

Interior: RRS is a clear winner here, but the 4R is not too shabby at all. I'm a little confused by the layout of the shifter, cupholders, and the drive-select, but not a big deal. A little less headroom (I'm 6'3") in the 4R than the RRS, but manageable.

I'm in the negotiation process right now. At 7% off MSRP for a 2016. Trying to see if I can get closer to 9-10% off.

Yeah i would agree.

One thing... the 4Runner has about one million less bells and whistles. My friends new Rover has options for options for options lol.

4Runner is much simpler, which is good for some and not good for those who want all the trinkets.

 

[bofa]

I'm in the negotiation process right now. At 7% off MSRP for a 2016. Trying to see if I can get closer to 9-10% off.

I recently negotiated for a Limited here that should arrive Thursday. Im right around 9% off MSRP including their dealer fee and whatever they paid to ship it from NM. I know things on the west coast can be different, but you can probably get it if you work at it. Solicit quotes via email from other dealers and play them against each other.

 

[engineeer]

Yeah i would agree.

One thing... the 4Runner has about one million less bells and whistles. My friends new Rover has options for options for options lol.

4Runner is much simpler, which is good for some and not good for those who want all the trinkets.

I purposely didn't opt for all of the options when I got mine, so I'm not really missing out. The 4R has cooled seats which my RRS doesn't even have!

I recently negotiated for a Limited here that should arrive Thursday. Im right around 9% off MSRP including their dealer fee and whatever they paid to ship it from NM. I know things on the west coast can be different, but you can probably get it if you work at it. Solicit quotes via email from other dealers and play them against each other.

They're offering me $46.5k OTD on a $46,200 MSRP, which seems like a pretty good deal.

 

[bofa]

They're offering me $46.5k OTD on a $46,200 MSRP, which seems like a pretty good deal.

Whats the price before ttt? Which options?

 

[engineeer]

Whats the price before ttt? Which options?

$42,300

Wheel locks
All-weather mats
Remote starter
No third row seat
Slide out tray
Automatic running boards ($1,500 and it seems like every single LE comes with them)

 

[bofa]

$42,300

Wheel locks
All-weather mats
Remote starter
No third row seat
Slide out tray
Automatic running boards ($1,500 and it seems like every single LE comes with them)

Seems like a decent price to me. :thumb:

Im not a big fan of the auto boards, but if you like them, that's all that matters.

 

[1engineer]

I purposely didn't opt for all of the options when I got mine, so I'm not really missing out. The 4R has cooled seats which my RRS doesn't even have!



They're offering me $46.5k OTD on a $46,200 MSRP, which seems like a pretty good deal.

Yeah my friends RR was around $120K lol.

 

[oljedi11950]

Hell & I thought 4r had to many bells & whistles ! BT is huge bell for me . Wasn't [MENTION=8206]harper7[/MENTION] a Ltd ?

 

[1engineer]

Hell & I thought 4r had to many bells & whistles ! BT is huge bell for me . Wasn't [MENTION=8206]harper7[/MENTION] a Ltd ?

Yep. Him and [MENTION=89562]bimrunner[/MENTION] are the two LE's that were built for off road. Sure I'm forgetting a lot of them but those two come to mind. @2ndchance, [MENTION=106242]Miguelon[/MENTION] and others.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

If you really want the ultimate small dick/trophy wife vehicle this is the one to get!!!!!:

2017 Range Rover SV Autobiography Dynamic*| Land Rover USA

It's the ultimate way of saying I've got way more money than brains/I am a trust fund baby/I am a 30 year old hottie who married a rich old dude who can't... well, you know/I am a Middle East sheik who bought it so I can roll it in the desert.

LOL. I really do laugh when I see idiots who spend this type of money on a rapidly depreciating asset.

 

[adaml]

Call me crazy guys, but the 4Runner holds its own very well against the new Range Rover Sport. I've test driven it two more times since I made this thread.

Engine: most noticeable downgrade from the V6 Supercharged RRS, but it's not a deal-breaker by any means. It can get up to highway speeds quickly and there was no shortage of power to pass. I can see passing people on uphills being an issue, but oh well.

Brakes: RRS are better, but the 4R LE has pretty solid brakes too. I read a lot about "nose dive" on the 4R, but under heavy braking it was only slightly worse than the RRS.

Transmission: I think a lot of the "woes" of the engine and fuel economy would be solved by an extra couple of gears in the transmission.

Handling: X-REAS does a pretty good job. The RRS is pretty flat through corners (despite the big KO2s), but the 4R stays surprisingly flat too.

Interior: RRS is a clear winner here, but the 4R is not too shabby at all. I'm a little confused by the layout of the shifter, cupholders, and the drive-select, but not a big deal. A little less headroom (I'm 6'3") in the 4R than the RRS, but manageable.

I'm in the negotiation process right now. At 7% off MSRP for a 2016. Trying to see if I can get closer to 9-10% off.

You're not necessarily crazy but it's really not a comparison if you look at it objectively. As you clearly said so yourself above, the Range Rover has a better engine, better brakes, better transmission, better handling, and better interior. If you look at it objectively, the 4Runner only really has a better price point and, more likely than not, will have better reliability (doesn't necessarily mean all RR's have poor reliability).

If you want a 4Runner, you came to the wrong place to actually get advice about the two cars. This is going to be an echo chamber of why the 4Runner is such a great truck. Don't get me wrong here -- I too think the 4Runner IS a great truck and it's absolutely perfect for me but if you just gave me the keys to a 4Runner Limited or a Ranger Rover Sport, I'd pick the Rover every time.

Sounds like you're getting the Limited though. I'm sure you'll like it. There's tons of threads on here about people "de-chroming" their limiteds so check those out. Glad to have you on the forums!

 

[DCOURTS1984]

Glad to see you are getting out of the RR while you can. Absolute long term nightmares. Transitioning over to a 4Runner will save you many headaches and $$$$

 

[mybabydaddy]

I don't think you're crazy a bit. I've owned cool cars (Porsche 356), cool/fast cars (Porsche 911S), unusual cars (2 SAAB Turbos), stupid cars (Olds diesel), and I'm so over it. I'll take reliability over everything. There is no feature that I want over dead-bang reliability. Fortunately we can have that and decent looks/features too.

(ETA: I'm going to play snowbird all of Feb., and other than checking pressure in 5 tires, WW fluid, and bty., I don't even have to think about my vehicle). Love it.

7% is above average, but 10% is reported. GL, and report back.

Good thread.

^^^^Actually, in all honesty, this is probably the truest statement for me as well. I have owned some fun cars (and bikes), still do. Hell, I stopped at the Jaguar dealership the other day just for $hiotes and giggles to look at the F Pace, just because I think they’re cool looking for a 100% street-crossover (you may commence to flaming now...). But man, the headaches that would come along with it... I just don’t think I could ever do it. I would absolutely pound in my head with a brick the first time some stupid little gremlin reared its head and off to the shop I went. For those with the money AND THE TIME, to make multiple dealership runs (even IF it's covered under warranty), kudos to them. But I’m just not that kind of understanding person, nor do I have time. The chances of that scenario in a 4Runner? Almost non-existent. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule... nonetheless, I think its track-record speaks for itself.

Agree with [MENTION=51186]philsey[/MENTION]... good thread/read.

 

[rainmn]

I don't think you're crazy a bit. I've owned cool cars (Porsche 356), cool/fast cars (Porsche 911S), unusual cars (2 SAAB Turbos), stupid cars (Olds diesel), and I'm so over it. I'll take reliability over everything. There is no feature that I want over dead-bang reliability. Fortunately we can have that and decent looks/features too.

I couldn't agree more with this. I've had all kinds of vehicles over the years, including more than my fair share of cool / weird / stupid ones. My favorite part about the 4Runner is that I never get that "I wonder what may blow up" feeling when I turn the key.

Never had a Range Rover, but did have an LR4. Also a few 911s, Turbo Espirit, a couple of Saabs, BMWs (including an X5 that we still have.) I love European vehicles, but almost every single one of them has at least one thing known to potentially go catastrophically wrong....usually about 3 months after the warranty ends.

Our X5's CPO warranty just ended about a week ago. In the last 3 months of the warranty, it's had about $9k worth of covered repairs, plus another $2k in maintenance out of my pocket. I can't wait to get rid of it, and I'll never buy one again.

 

[philsey]

You're not necessarily crazy but it's really not a comparison if you look at it objectively. As you clearly said so yourself above, the Range Rover has a better engine, better brakes, better transmission, better handling, and better interior.....

"Better" is completely subjective IMO. Is a more powerful motor that gives problems better? Even if all those things are better, do I want to take Better in for frequent repairs? Nope. That is Worse, not better. My .02 of course.

If you want a 4Runner, you came to the wrong place to actually get advice about the two cars.
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Meh, I think it was far more objective than, say, a Jeep question. OP is a big boy and knows wheat from chaff.