Range Rover Sport owner looking to switch to the 4R
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Toffees
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My understanding is that the nose-dive is largely dampened in the LE with the xreas, and it affects other models more severely.
Or else some drivers are really sensitive, because in 7 months I've not noticed much of a nose dive.
Toffees
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I just built one for $210k, MSRP, where do I sign?
Seriously though, these are usually sold to people with filthy large stacks of cash, to whom the difference between a $75k and $175k car is relatively small.
Dog Runner
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[MENTION=96008]Engineer[/MENTION]
I have had two Discovery's, 2006 Range Rover and a 97 D 90. Here are my two cents. (I off roaded all of them by the way)
A Rover is like dating a Super model, great to be seen with, great to look at and admire, but it is a Super model and expensive to keep around.
I swore off the super models, tired of their high maintenance, constant nagging to go back to the spa for her monthly maintenance to see her friends. However, there is something about them super models that keep me tempted to go back and indulge into my sense of shallowness, because I love them so.
For most Rover people that I know, they fall into a similar path, you taste the goodness of a Rover, she cheats on you, but you give her another chance.... Over and over again..... And she will drop you in a New York minute for a better time or someone that has more money.
So you switch to a new bride, a jean wearing gal with flannel, she does everything right but never is too exciting..... While at the stop light with your jean flannel wearing girl in the passenger seat, you look over and you see the super model.... Do you want to go back? Only you know the answer...........
Because you know that flannel girl can never be a super model, as much make up and "bolt ons" that you add, it can never be so. However, in a moment of poorly chosen directions you can make your super model wear flannel.... Only for a short time before they leave you to never venture off road again.
One can compare on paper all of the stats, but its about what stirs the soul and those who dismiss rover due to the cash payout, I get it, but they have never rolled with the super model for a long time.
For me, flannel babe is gone when and if a new respectable D90 Super model is launched and has a MMA diesel heart.
Good luck, I know your pain.....
I have had two Discovery's, 2006 Range Rover and a 97 D 90. Here are my two cents. (I off roaded all of them by the way)
A Rover is like dating a Super model, great to be seen with, great to look at and admire, but it is a Super model and expensive to keep around.
I swore off the super models, tired of their high maintenance, constant nagging to go back to the spa for her monthly maintenance to see her friends. However, there is something about them super models that keep me tempted to go back and indulge into my sense of shallowness, because I love them so.
For most Rover people that I know, they fall into a similar path, you taste the goodness of a Rover, she cheats on you, but you give her another chance.... Over and over again..... And she will drop you in a New York minute for a better time or someone that has more money.
So you switch to a new bride, a jean wearing gal with flannel, she does everything right but never is too exciting..... While at the stop light with your jean flannel wearing girl in the passenger seat, you look over and you see the super model.... Do you want to go back? Only you know the answer...........
Because you know that flannel girl can never be a super model, as much make up and "bolt ons" that you add, it can never be so. However, in a moment of poorly chosen directions you can make your super model wear flannel.... Only for a short time before they leave you to never venture off road again.
One can compare on paper all of the stats, but its about what stirs the soul and those who dismiss rover due to the cash payout, I get it, but they have never rolled with the super model for a long time.
For me, flannel babe is gone when and if a new respectable D90 Super model is launched and has a MMA diesel heart.
Good luck, I know your pain.....
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Dog Runner
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Engineer, I apologize for the mistake..... And please note, that a D 90 is heads and shoulders above a Rangie out on the trail.... Think of it as more of a Filson gal.....:bravo:
As for Engineeer....... Good luck to you
As for Engineeer....... Good luck to you
That's a really good analogy.
Quick update: all done negotiating on my 2016 Limited. Every dealership within a 50 mile radius said they can't match or beat the 8% below MSRP deal that I'm being offered.
Signing the papers tomorrow night. Heading up to the mountains this weekend and I'm a little torn about what to do about the rims/tires. On one hand, it's supposed to be dry and sunny up there. On the other hand I'm super impatient. So my options are:
1) Try to get the TRD 17x7 rims and get some 275/70/17 tires mounted and installed (KO2s seem to be the only thing that will fit the 17x7 unless I go 285/70/17).
2) Stick with the 20" rims and throw 275/55/20 tires on them (either Cooper ATP or KO2s).
I'm guessing most people here would vote #1.
Edit: punched the numbers into a tire calculator. Those 20" tires will yield me 1.63" less sidewall, so don't think I want to go that route.
Signing the papers tomorrow night. Heading up to the mountains this weekend and I'm a little torn about what to do about the rims/tires. On one hand, it's supposed to be dry and sunny up there. On the other hand I'm super impatient. So my options are:
1) Try to get the TRD 17x7 rims and get some 275/70/17 tires mounted and installed (KO2s seem to be the only thing that will fit the 17x7 unless I go 285/70/17).
2) Stick with the 20" rims and throw 275/55/20 tires on them (either Cooper ATP or KO2s).
I'm guessing most people here would vote #1.
Edit: punched the numbers into a tire calculator. Those 20" tires will yield me 1.63" less sidewall, so don't think I want to go that route.
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My last 2 trucks were v8's (GMC Duramax and Jeep Commander) so power and torque were my biggest concern. I was back and forth between a GX470 and the 4Runner and the LE actually handled much better but the GX had the torquey feel I was used to. Now, I only think of the power concern when I see posts on this forum. It is a great truck and is so solid with amazing build quality. It totally grows on you as people have said. There is something very unique about the 4runner. As I get older, I cannot stand strange noises or dealership waiting rooms. Life is too short to put up with crappy quality. Good luck with your decision!
DesertCanyons
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T4R Trail or Limited
I hear you have your sights set on the Limited Edition. I looked at it but for better performance off road I got the Trail. Higher clearance due to not having the low hanging bumper trim. It's a lot easier to add rock rails to a Trail without the side trim. With the LE you have to trim off the side panel and toss those $1500 running boards. And it comes with 7.5"x17" rims which are far better for airing down and running off road. The Trail has a locking rear differential too. The LE XREAS ties into the shocks which makes it harder to add a suspension lift and you loose it if you upgrade the shocks.
And you don't have to put up with those leather seats either. Cloth breathes better. I read your post saying you preferred cloth seats.
The Lexus GX460 is taller, Which doesn't fit in parking garages or under trees as well. It has fewer aftermarket parts available, like a good roof rack. That V8 runs best on premium gas. The gas costs more, which will matter in a year or so when the price of gas goes back up. You said you don't like it anyway.
I hear you have your sights set on the Limited Edition. I looked at it but for better performance off road I got the Trail. Higher clearance due to not having the low hanging bumper trim. It's a lot easier to add rock rails to a Trail without the side trim. With the LE you have to trim off the side panel and toss those $1500 running boards. And it comes with 7.5"x17" rims which are far better for airing down and running off road. The Trail has a locking rear differential too. The LE XREAS ties into the shocks which makes it harder to add a suspension lift and you loose it if you upgrade the shocks.
And you don't have to put up with those leather seats either. Cloth breathes better. I read your post saying you preferred cloth seats.
The Lexus GX460 is taller, Which doesn't fit in parking garages or under trees as well. It has fewer aftermarket parts available, like a good roof rack. That V8 runs best on premium gas. The gas costs more, which will matter in a year or so when the price of gas goes back up. You said you don't like it anyway.
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sn_85
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Front Runner makes a rack for the GX460. I'd say that's a pretty damn good rack.
Engineer
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No worries, now if you get me confused with [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION], then I will be insulted. :biggrin2:
That D90 looks good, don't know much about them my history with British cars has not really been ideal MGB and old Jaguar V12 sedan.....what a nightmare.
Engineer
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Option 1, but you may want to consider FX Pro Wheels, they are a bit wider then the TRD Toyota options, personally I still have the stock 14-16 trail wheels as I don't like any of the aftermarket alternatives. When the time comes I may end up using the OEM wheels for a winter set and getting some 5 spoke something from SCS or FN Wheels but who knows.
Congrats on the purchase , welcome to the club :yo:
1engineer
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Pretty sure that won't happen. You are a nice guy...
jbrockiii
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Shortened, abbreviated and not in order: 5 Land Rovers, 1 Merc. and on 3rd Toyota SUV- a 2016 White 4Runner Limited full time 4wheel drive.
LR's are great IF they are under warranty. They're fun to drive, quite capable all around, and have that British history/class/refinement thing going on.
While my 4Runner may not have the same distinctiveness, it's just about the most perfect SUV out there. If only it had a diesel engine (and a few other tweeks).
LR's are great IF they are under warranty. They're fun to drive, quite capable all around, and have that British history/class/refinement thing going on.
While my 4Runner may not have the same distinctiveness, it's just about the most perfect SUV out there. If only it had a diesel engine (and a few other tweeks).
Dog Runner
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I have not had a beer with either of you, so I will let this go until I can make a fair judgement..... So until then, starting saving your dollars so you can buy me multiple beers so I may be swayed at that time....
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And to keep this on topic, Engineeeeeeeer, You can buy all of us beer and deliver it in your new 4R!
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And to keep this on topic, Engineeeeeeeer, You can buy all of us beer and deliver it in your new 4R!
I'll try to make it to the next Bay Area meetup and have some 12-packs loaded on my fancy pants slide-out cargo tray
Option 1 is what I went with. My dealership had 4 matte black 17x7 TRD Pro rims left. Tire shop down the street had the last 4x 275/70/17 KO2s left in the South Bay. Slapping those bad boys on tomorrow, then driving straight to Tahoe! Super excited.
