Raptor vs. 4Runner TRD Pro

[mstgkillr]

Yes, I already know… two completely different vehicles. However, they are my two favorites at this point, and they do share some similarities e.g., rugged appearance, off-road capable, unique, excellent resale, etc. Like most, I will never use either vehicle to its full capability, not even close. I do some very mild off-roading, which either vehicle could handle without a problem. A stock F-150 could handle anything that I’ll ever throw at it.

I lost a supercharged 2002 Trans-Am WS.6 (with 15k miles) and a 2017 Sierra Denali in a recent house fire. I have always been a GM guy with a fast car and a truck (usually lifted). After the fire, I decided to buy my wife a white 2018 4Runner TRD Pro and planned to drive her old car for a while, so that I could do a little research on the Raptor and 2019 GMC AT4.

I had all intentions of buying a replacement truck, but I fell in love with her Pro, so I went out a got myself a Cavalry Blue 4Runner TRD Pro. I have received more complements on my Pro than all of my other vehicles combined! I am not exaggerating, I get no less than a complement a week, usually more! Not to mention, I know of only one other Pro in the area compared to at least 10 Raptors… I like having a unique vehicle that stands out.

The Pro is an excellent vehicle, probably my favorite truck/SUV type that I’ve owned, but I really think I would love the Raptor also and I’m kind of missing the truck bed a little. Maybe it’s just the Raptor’s appearance or the fact that I have never owned one. I drive about 36,000 miles/year, so I either need to keep it until it rots or replace it every few years. Reliability, appearance, comfort and resale are all top concerns.

Anyone come over from a Raptor and have regrets? Anyone considering a Raptor?

 

[Jetboy]

This has been discussed. A lot. Give that search function a try.

 

[MrGainzz]

Raptor has too many fancy gimmicks which could lead to potential repairs.
I’d take a Pro over raptor any days of the week if reliability was one of your concerns.


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[YellowSnow]

The 4R unique...good one!


In other news, the 5th Gen 4 Runner sets all time sales records. The Raptor is on another level than a 4R. I’ve been out on the trails with both, and it’s just more capable plain and simple.

 

[Jhalko]

Do you like Monster energy drinks or microbrews? If microbrews then 4Runner. Just sayin’... :der:

 

[wcjeep]

I read somewhere else the Raptor reliability is not on par with the regular F150.

 

[Cabinetman]

I just traded a 2018 Raptor for a 2019 4Runner Limited 4wd. I put 34,000 miles on the Raptor and had zero issues with the truck. I did notice at trade in the insides of the front tires were wearing unevenly, but that isn’t a huge deal.

You definitely get the availability of a lot of tech with the Raptor, but you pay for it. My Limited doesn’t have Apple CarPlay, radar cruise, all LED lighting or a 360 degree camera system. It also doesn’t have a twin turbo engine, rear locker or an off-road tuned suspension. However, I paid over $25k less for the 4Runner than the Raptor.

The 4Runner has some things going for it over the Raptor. The biggest is size. I can easily get the 4Runner into pretty much any place I want to go. Also, the 4Runner has a solidity to it that was missing from my Raptor. I had a number of small rattles and poorly fitting trim pieces in my truck. It wasn’t anything that would keep me from buying one, but just something to be aware of.

I traded my Raptor because I was never going off road and I couldn’t justify having something as expensive and off-road focused as the Raptor just to run all over town. The Limited 4Runner better suits my needs right now. With that said, I miss the truck a lot. If a Ranger Raptor ends up being a reality I might make my way back to Ford again.

 

[YellowSnow]

YouTube


fwd to 5:40

As Yotas need wenches and traction devices....Raptor says send it!!

 

[Offwidth]

If Raptor suspension was available in an SUV the size of Explorer, I would be driving it. Pickups is not my thing.

 

[JSparky]

If Raptor suspension was available in an SUV the size of Explorer, I would be driving it. Pickups is not my thing.

Tundra front end components bolt on a 200 series land cruiser. Closest you’ll probably get.

 

[bamma]

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fwd to 5:40

As Yotas need wenches and traction devices....Raptor says send it!!

No question the Raptor is very capable off-road, but look at the tread on the raptor compared to the other trucks. MTs vs ATs, in mud...a 4runner at the 14min mark also goes right up.

I have no doubt a Ford can get you anywhere. A Toyota will also get you back

 

[Engineer]

No question the Raptor is very capable off-road, but look at the tread on the raptor compared to the other trucks. MTs vs ATs, in mud...a 4runner at the 14min mark also goes right up.

I have no doubt a Ford can get you anywhere. A Toyota will also get you back

I feel bad for those traction mats, look like they started out being used correctly and ended up just getting left as people bombed up the hill and I fully agree tires and speed will be what decides who gets up that hill not if its a Toyota, Nissan or Ford

 

[Bayou_Pro]

I decided to buy my wife a white 2018 4Runner TRD Pro but I fell in love with her Pro, so I went out a got myself a Cavalry Blue 4Runner TRD Pro.

Glad I'm not the only one that has done this. [emoji23] We wanted out of the wife's Audi Q7 and she wanted back into a Toyota. We were looking a Limited 4runner when she spotted a Black Pro. She couldn't be persuaded she didn't need that and we ended up driving 10 hours and getting her one. After 1 off road outing I fell in love with it and starting looking myself. Stumbled across a low milage used 16 locally and scooped it up. I Love this thing!!! Will be much better when I get the full adjustable Fox suspension on it very shortly.

Back to your question. I Love love the Raptors as well. I drive a lot and just couldn't justify the price or racking up the miles on one. I couldn't be happier with my Pro though.

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[Jetboy]

I'm just going to leave this here:
1st place Baja 1000 (2x)

1st place Baja 1000

1st place 2018 (beat Ford factory team supported Raptor head to head by 4 hours in 2017).

2nd place Baja 1000

1st place Dakar 2019

1st placer Mint 400 (beat the raptor head to head on the same course)

Last place Baja 1000 (notice that there's no one left at the finish except that one lonely lady with the flag.)

Spec sheets don't win races. Raptor has a great spec sheet and a lot of empty spots in the trophy case...

 

[spartacus]

Both vehicles are capable but a pickup truck is something we all need one time or another. Get the raptor if you really want it and you'll be happy. Maybe your wife will let you drive her 4runner once in a while just so you can get your fix.

 

[spoonmectr]

I looked at a two year old Raptor with 50k on it and it was still $10,000 higher than a new TRD Pro 4R! But if money was no object, the Raptor hands down!

 

[YellowSnow]

I looked at a two year old Raptor with 50k on it and it was still $10,000 higher than a new TRD Pro 4R! But if money was no object, the Raptor hands down!

Agreed...and I love the Baja racing results analogy, with $150k rigs and professional drivers. What’s next, are we going to start recommending Toyota Camry’s because of a couple Daytona 500 wins :wacko:

 

[Jetboy]

Agreed...and I love the Baja racing results analogy, with $150k rigs and professional drivers. What’s next, are we going to start recommending Toyota Camry’s because of a couple Daytona 500 wins :wacko:

Maybe you're not familiar with what stock class means in SCORE racing?

Ill help you out: All OEM suspension except shocks/springs. Full body. Stock drive train except you can re-gear the differentials and add lockers. Canguro racing that beat the Ford Factory sponsored Raptor team by 4 hours is a couple local guys here who run it out of their own garages. No big sponsors. No pro drivers. Still faster... because it's simply a better platform. Better axles. Better suspension design. Better engine. Better transmission. It's got about 15,000 race miles on it and a lot of test miles - without ever having engine or transmission work. Ford rarely keeps a Raptor running for a single race. Most of the Raptor's DNFs are due to engine or transmission failures. And those are stock parts. Push them hard and they don't survive.

For most owners performance doesn't matter. A show truck needs a good spec sheet, not a good track record. Things like the rear differential design doesn't matter at the mall. In the dirt it does matter. It's not an accident that the Tundra uses a mid pinion rear diff and a carrier bearing two piece shaft to keep it protected. The Raptor... not so much. It's not an accident Toyota's all have very well designed rear shock mounts. The raptor... not so much. In the 2017 Baja it showed why that matters. The Raptor broke the low hanging drive shaft. It also broke off a shock mount. The Land Cruiser didn't - because it's simply the product of better engineering and decades of iterative improvements.

They're apples and oranges. It just takes one look underneath to see the difference.

Seriously - you're going through a boulder field - do you really think that Raptor drive shaft is going to survive?

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The race results should surprise no one who's ever looked underneath.

 

[spoonmectr]

There is a reason a new Raptor is $30k higher than a new TRD Pro. Besides. If it’s under warranty who cares if it breaks!

 

[Jetboy]

There is a reason a new Raptor is $30k higher than a new TRD Pro. Besides. If it’s under warranty who cares if it breaks!

Warranty doesn't cover most offroad damage. When 10 out of 14 Raptors bent their frames on a trail ride a few years ago - Ford didn't fix them.

Are Ford Raptor frames too weak for off-roading?

And the frame is designed to collapse if you bottom out the rear suspension.

SVT boss goes on record about Ford Raptor frame damage claims [w/video] - Autoblog


The raptors have a great spec sheet. I'm sure it wasn't cheap to build. They have a great set of shocks/springs and a nice interior. They're also a lot cheaper than a Land Cruiser. Kinda split the difference between a 4Runner and LC200.