Raptor vs. 4Runner TRD Pro

Jetboy said:
Seriously - you're going through a boulder field - do you really think that Raptor drive shaft is going to survive?
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Is the Raptor marketed as a rock crawler? Are jeeps marketed as high speed desert vehicles? Etc etc etc.

The raptor is an open country go fast vehicle, and I, and others, would contend there's no other vehicle out of the box currently being sold that's even in that same league. There's an obsession on this forum with a concept of a vehicle that's jack of all trades, yet forgetting the part of that saying that comes after.

I've had a lot of seat time in the Gen 1 and Gen 2, I wasn't super blown away by the Gen 1, but the Gen 2 continued to surprise me driving it in the conditions it was designed for. If you want to throw flak it's way with how it did in Baja, keep in mind just finishing that race is epic. Ford/Foutz Motorsports drove it under it's own power from Mesa, AZ to Ensenada, and down and back under it's own power. For essentially a beta vehicle. I know Kurt, and the Canguro guys are fantastic. But that vehicle was well tested in prior races, whereas Ford simply added a roll cage, and ran it with full door panels, full glass, etc. A tremendous amount of work went into Canguro's LC200, whereas if you're a Gen 2 raptor owner that Raptor (which I've seen in person) was outfitted with safety and fire suppression systems, nav/comms, but is the same raptor you can buy today (the current ones are even more improved).

The LC200 is a great vehicle, why it's 85K is a bit absurd, but if you took it in STOCK form down on the NORRA/SCORE courses it would get friggin' WRECKED. The Raptor is as close as you can get to a factory pre-runner. Does that make it a great purchase for the every day driver? I don't know, that's up to the buyer. As stated most owners will not rally them in open country. That's okay, most people are buying into the aspirational qualities of products. i.e that they COULD rally them if they lived near open country or were not afraid of the potential risks incurred with doing 100 down a 2-track in the middle of nowhere.

There's things I miss about my 4Runner, and things I don't. I'd say people who complain about the paint quality on toyotas; stop. My raptor had to have a fender re-painted in the first month. I think the interior is better put together on the raptor, but all current production vehicles, regardless of brand still have the same shitty plastics that scratch and turn white/blue if you look at them funny. The infotainment is far better on the Fords, but still clunky. Not Entune level clunky, but still clunky. I love getting 17-18mpg on 87 octane (I really should feed it 91 or 93 more often, I admit), with a 36 gallon tank.

A stock raptor has more suspension travel than you get with a toyota running a +3.5 long travel, and that's with the sway bars still attached!

The raptor has that associated douche bag owner stink about it, just like 4Runners have the soccer mom/overlander stigma about them too. If you're buying a vehicle for perception, I don't know what to tell you. I've been happy with my Raptor so far, but comparing two wildly different vehicles is kind of a fools errand.

You can slap a ton of "OFF ROAD" badges on a 4Runner, but it's not an off road tuned vehicle. The Raptor is more so, but as a result you pay for a big truck with some big features.

Frankly I think there's a LOT of terrain where both vehicles do equally well, and then terrain where each one shines. In Baja the Toyotas (not stock mind you) do a lot better in the technical stuff, but once the terrain opens up the Raptors are absolutely gone, and the Toyotas are eating their dust.

The 4Runner is a simpler product, it's still a super computerized truck that absolutely shits the bed if a sensor malfunctions, just like the Raptor. Someone best said it, you're comparing a 40K SUV *purchase* to a 40K truck *down payment*.

I've owned both, I don't think you can make a 4Runner into a raptor, and visa versa, and if you realize where both are really good at, you end up a lot happier as an owner.
 
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spoonmectr said:
There is a reason a new Raptor is $30k higher than a new TRD Pro. Besides. If it’s under warranty who cares if it breaks!
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I care. I've never had a Toyota break under warranty. That's the best way to have a warranty - never needing to use it. Hassle-free!
 
Really, neither one is a very good rock crawler or a very good pre runner. They're both pretty good daily drivers that can make their way through 7/10 terrain if you're careful.

The raptor really should be compared to a Tundra, not a 4Runner. Out of the box the Tundra has a lot less suspension travel. The control arms are the same length as the Raptor. You're looking at $5k+ to get to 13" and $10k for 16" travel Tundra with comparable Fox suspension. Neither one is going to have much of a chance in the rocks - 140+ wheel base only works if you're in a Unimog.

How many raptors went home on trailers during the trail of the missions last year? Just saying...
 
Jetboy said:
How many raptors went home on trailers during the trail of the missions last year? Just saying...
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Only 1, and that's because of an aftermarket upgrade on a HIGHLY customized vehicle.

FYI one of the toyotas went home on a trailer too ;)
 
Everyone has there own opinion. You can read all kinds of posts that people say the Pro cost to much. The Raptor cost to much. It’s a Ford. I have been driving Toyota’s for years. I had a Ford many years ago and so did my father. Nothing but problems with them. I traded my Tacoma in on my Pro. If I need to haul anything I will rent a open trailer it’s cheap. Even if the Pro and Raptor cost the same I would still buy the Pro. But like it said everyone has there own opinion.
 
If I was to buy five or so cars, i think a Raptor would be in the list, lol.

I like them, they look nice, guess perform nice, they are unique in a great way.

If I were to get a truck, guessing it would be a choice between a superduty or raptor, pretending money is not a factor.
 
LawnDart said:
Is the Raptor marketed as a rock crawler? Are jeeps marketed as high speed desert vehicles? Etc etc etc.

The raptor is an open country go fast vehicle, and I, and others, would contend there's no other vehicle out of the box currently being sold that's even in that same league. There's an obsession on this forum with a concept of a vehicle that's jack of all trades, yet forgetting the part of that saying that comes after.

I've had a lot of seat time in the Gen 1 and Gen 2, I wasn't super blown away by the Gen 1, but the Gen 2 continued to surprise me driving it in the conditions it was designed for. If you want to throw flak it's way with how it did in Baja, keep in mind just finishing that race is epic. Ford/Foutz Motorsports drove it under it's own power from Mesa, AZ to Ensenada, and down and back under it's own power. For essentially a beta vehicle. I know Kurt, and the Canguro guys are fantastic. But that vehicle was well tested in prior races, whereas Ford simply added a roll cage, and ran it with full door panels, full glass, etc. A tremendous amount of work went into Canguro's LC200, whereas if you're a Gen 2 raptor owner that Raptor (which I've seen in person) was outfitted with safety and fire suppression systems, nav/comms, but is the same raptor you can buy today (the current ones are even more improved).

The LC200 is a great vehicle, why it's 85K is a bit absurd, but if you took it in STOCK form down on the NORRA/SCORE courses it would get friggin' WRECKED. The Raptor is as close as you can get to a factory pre-runner. Does that make it a great purchase for the every day driver? I don't know, that's up to the buyer. As stated most owners will not rally them in open country. That's okay, most people are buying into the aspirational qualities of products. i.e that they COULD rally them if they lived near open country or were not afraid of the potential risks incurred with doing 100 down a 2-track in the middle of nowhere.

There's things I miss about my 4Runner, and things I don't. I'd say people who complain about the paint quality on toyotas; stop. My raptor had to have a fender re-painted in the first month. I think the interior is better put together on the raptor, but all current production vehicles, regardless of brand still have the same shitty plastics that scratch and turn white/blue if you look at them funny. The infotainment is far better on the Fords, but still clunky. Not Entune level clunky, but still clunky. I love getting 17-18mpg on 87 octane (I really should feed it 91 or 93 more often, I admit), with a 36 gallon tank.

A stock raptor has more suspension travel than you get with a toyota running a +3.5 long travel, and that's with the sway bars still attached!

The raptor has that associated douche bag owner stink about it, just like 4Runners have the soccer mom/overlander stigma about them too. If you're buying a vehicle for perception, I don't know what to tell you. I've been happy with my Raptor so far, but comparing two wildly different vehicles is kind of a fools errand.

You can slap a ton of "OFF ROAD" badges on a 4Runner, but it's not an off road tuned vehicle. The Raptor is more so, but as a result you pay for a big truck with some big features.

Frankly I think there's a LOT of terrain where both vehicles do equally well, and then terrain where each one shines. In Baja the Toyotas (not stock mind you) do a lot better in the technical stuff, but once the terrain opens up the Raptors are absolutely gone, and the Toyotas are eating their dust.

The 4Runner is a simpler product, it's still a super computerized truck that absolutely shits the bed if a sensor malfunctions, just like the Raptor. Someone best said it, you're comparing a 40K SUV *purchase* to a 40K truck *down payment*.

I've owned both, I don't think you can make a 4Runner into a raptor, and visa versa, and if you realize where both are really good at, you end up a lot happier as an owner.
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Really wish Ford would hurry the eff up with unveiling the Bronco so some true comparisons can be made. And if they ever decide to go Raptor Bronco...that would be awesome.
 
spartacus said:
Both vehicles are capable but a pickup truck is something we all need one time or another. Get the raptor if you really want it and you'll be happy. Maybe your wife will let you drive her 4runner once in a while just so you can get your fix.
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This is what I did, except I went with reg F150. I needed a truck but I love the wifes 4runner. I drive the 4runner on weekends when I need a fix, if not, we go in my truck.
 
What type of “fix” does a 4R provide on the weekend? Certainly this thread hasn’t derailed to comparing an F-150 to a Raptor....
 
What about the new Chevy Colorado ZR 2? It can perform well like the Raptor but smaller truck with front and back lockers.
 
young said:
What about the new Chevy Colorado ZR 2? It can perform well like the Raptor but smaller truck with front and back lockers.
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I don't think it's anywhere near Raptor performance but I could be wrong.


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I like my 4runner and I like the raptor, both catch my eye, but one made more sense than the other due to price at the time. If you can swing it, the Raptor is an awesome truck.
 
Jetboy said:
This has been discussed. A lot. Give that search function a try.
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Thanks for adding something worthwhile to the discussion! BTW, I searched.


YellowSnow said:
The 4R unique...good one!


In other news, the 5th Gen 4 Runner sets all time sales records. The Raptor is on another level than a 4R. I’ve been out on the trails with both, and it’s just more capable plain and simple.
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With anywhere from 3k to 5k 4Runner TRD Pros produced annually, I'd say they are a bit unique with respect to overall production numbers. Roughly 3 to 8 Raptors produced for every Pro.

Production Numbers
4Runner 139K
4Runner TRD Pro 3K-5k per year
F-Series 909k
Raptor 14k-25k per year
 
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