Rear Axle Seal/Bearing Replacement Videos

[SaulG]

Well Buddy Ol' Pal, I agree that the key is to get the seal riding correctly on the retainer. If you can do that, you are doing pretty good. Anyone that knows how to measure albiet with a tape or calipers can do it,hell how about marking before you remove it.

Sounds like you're saying lots of seals will work just as good as the Toyota OEM seals and this is where I disagree. The seal was redesigned in such a way to be much more pliable than the original seal design. Aftermarket seals DO NOT have the same pliability built in.Why did they change the "pliability" if there is no lateral movement and the seal rides in position on the retainer ? It was a change in composition that benefits and wiping surface.

The reason for the flipped retainer is to get a better mating of the axle seal with the inner retainer without risking having the retainer rub the inside of the axle housing. what's the bevel for? Due to the re-designed seal, the seal lip now sits 2mm for inboard and thus you have to either readjust the inner retainer 2mm more inboard If it's worked for 100k plus at factory settings why?(risking the retainer rubbing inside the axle housing), or you can flip it like we show in the video and leave the retainer in the same OEM spot on the axle (5mm or polished axle showing above the retainer). Because the bevel is 2mm wide,OEM yes some aftermarket not so much when you flip the retainer putting the bevel facing the ABS tone ring, you compensate for the seal re-design because now the seal doesn't have to first push past the bevel to get up onto the polished shoulder of the retainer. WTF? The bevel should only help the seal "get up" ( it's beveled )

302k on original seals. Ok Bro. I bet you've never pulled your ABS sensors and taken a peak into your axle housing. Pretty much every one of these rigs that has 200k+ miles on it will have some leaking.misguided I've seen it on way too many rigs.How many Bud? The gear oil hasn't found it's way into the brakes yet or is leaking out making a mess on the inside of your wheels but I guarantee your seals are leaking at that mileage.You'd lose Pull your tires off, pull out the ABS sensors,No need to pull tires and then rotate the axles while looking at the ABS tone ring. If there's gear oil in that cavity, the ABS tone ring works like a water wheel picking up the gear oil that has accumulated in there. I'd bet Big Big money you have quite a bit of gear oil in there that's slowly washing away the grease inside your bearings. You assumed it's a third gen

In closing, I take offense to your backyard wannabe bullshit statement.Soorry Youtuber Us DIYer mechanics quite often know a hell of a lot more than the paid guys at the dealerships. HAHAHAAA! . .. well you may be right The reason being is we are wrenching on these rigs day in and day out??? and we share information with each other on forums like this one. Whoopeee! I guarantee you that myself and anyone else that has watched my videos and have read through the T4R threads for this rear axle seal job know more than most paid technicians at Toyota dealerships around the country.Here you make another ass sumption in only by most techs now never work on this model year. Dealerships, private shops, and machine shops botch this job on a regular basis. There's a ton of knowledgeable guys on this forum that contribute everyday. If you think we're all full of shit,Not everyone again with the ass sumptions why the hell are you on here then?

From here on out, it doesn't matter what you do. You could walk on water, cure cancer, create world peace, and I'd still think you're an as*hole.:lol:
But your Mom loves me!!

Well Hell someones panties are in a bunch!! Maybe if your head weren't so bloated Timmy you could pull it from your arse easier?? :hail:

 

[JZiggy]

Well Hell someones panties are in a bunch!! Maybe if your head weren't so bloated Timmy you could pull it from your arse easier?? :hail:

Nominated for most tedious post of the day.

 

[mtbtim]

Well Hell someones panties are in a bunch!! Maybe if your head weren't so bloated Timmy you could pull it from your arse easier?? :hail:

Yep, Saul, you just proved your 100% a*shole status. I always say there no shortage of A-Holes in the world. Don't throw your shoulder out patting yourself on your back for your certified mechanic status. Us DIYers will continue to turn wrenches repairing, maintaining and modding our own rigs to avoid shops with retards like you charging way too much while screwing things up.

 

[infamousRNR]

Well Hell someones panties are in a bunch!! Maybe if your head weren't so bloated Timmy you could pull it from your arse easier?? :hail:

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[Mark_BC]

Well Hell someones panties are in a bunch!!

That's an mtbtim line. You must watch more than you admit.

 

[3bears]

back to good stuff

ordering all parts today to do the job, picking up the press in a few days

INSTALLING WITH RETAINER REVERSED

 

[WWRD99]

I got that coupon that makes that 20 ton press pretty much a no brainer...I got room in my mess hall to put it...I've done my rear seals a few times and have the drivers side acting up once in a while...I'll probably join you in doing a set in the next couple weeks getting that seal to stop seaping.

 

[SaulG]

Of course!! Tim the Toolman has no data on his fix.. Well not even his really he copied the "Dr". Forwards or Reversed it all dependant on placement.
Why do you protest so much?? Tender feelings much?

Rear Axle Seals: The Ultimate Information and Replacement Thread (3rd gen)

OMG a non reversed retainer
Will a reversed retainer work...hell yeah it's obvious it WILL but why bother, unless you post a nice disclaimer first stating "your own risk"..hahaha
real professional Buddy Ol Pal...........or should I say backyard.

Keep on with the Sic Mods

 

[JZiggy]

Of course!! Tim the Toolman has no data on his fix.. Well not even his really he copied the "Dr". Forwards or Reversed it all dependant on placement.
Why do you protest so much?? Tender feelings much?

Rear Axle Seals: The Ultimate Information and Replacement Thread (3rd gen)

OMG a non reversed retainer
Will a reversed retainer work...hell yeah it's obvious it WILL but why bother, unless you post a nice disclaimer first stating "your own risk"..hahaha
real professional Buddy Ol Pal...........or should I say backyard.

Keep on with the Sic Mods

Can you please remind us what you are trying to prove?

If you’re just trying to make fun of backyard mechanics you won’t make many friends on this forum.

Facebook is a better outlet for snark.

 

[mtbtim]

Of course!! Tim the Toolman has no data on his fix.. Well not even his really he copied the "Dr". Forwards or Reversed it all dependant on placement.
Why do you protest so much?? Tender feelings much?

Rear Axle Seals: The Ultimate Information and Replacement Thread (3rd gen)

OMG a non reversed retainer
Will a reversed retainer work...hell yeah it's obvious it WILL but why bother, unless you post a nice disclaimer first stating "your own risk"..hahaha
real professional Buddy Ol Pal...........or should I say backyard.

Keep on with the Sic Mods

Hey A-Hole,

You obviously show a picture of an axle that was pulled from a rear end with an original OEM seal. The reason why I know this is because, to answer you question, I've performed this job at least 12 times. The amount of polished shoulder showing above the inner retainer coupled with the witness mark on the retainer lets me know this.

Now, here's a retainer I pulled from somebody's rig. Look at the two witness marks on the retainer. The one more in the center is where the original seal was riding. The one close to the bevel is where the newly designed Toyota seal was riding without any change of position of the inner retainer. The person thought they would be good with just replacing the seal and doing nothing else. But, this person's axle seal was leaking after the replacement. Why? Well, it looks like the seal was safely riding on the polished shoulder of the retainer, but maybe with some axle movement from a worn bearing, the seal was able to sometimes ride on the non-polished bevel and it caused the seal to fail prematurely.



To respond to another one of your a-hole comments, we agree that the newly designed Toyota seal now sits 2mm more inboard. We either have to adjust the inner retainer more inboard to compensate for that, but now we will be risking having the inner retainer rub the inside of the axle housing. So, using the Dr. Coffee method, we flip the retainer. Yes a-hole, we know the bevel is there to facilitate the insertion or the axle into the seal. But, since the newly designed seal is so PLIABLE, you DO NOT risk damaging the seal by flipping it's orientation. Get one of the new seals in your hands and insert a retainer into the seal. There is so much flexibility in this seal, you would have to try to damage it when inserting the axle. Our "Flip Method" allows us to keep the retainer in the original position (5mm of polished shoulder exposed above the retainer) on the axle, allows a good mating with the seal and eliminates any concern with having the retainer rub the inside of the axle housing. Ok, pay attention a-hole. The bevel is 2mm wide. The seal now sits 2mm more inboard. BECAUSE the seal DOES NOT First have to push past the 2mm bevel to get up onto the polished shoulder of the retainer, we gain back the 2mm lost with the seal re-design. Do you understand the purpose for the flip method now a-hole?

Dealerships, Private Shops and Machine Shops screw up this job on a regular basis. You don't have to like the way we do it a-hole. The way we do it works. It's worked for all 12 jobs I've done. That's 24 axles imbecile in case you couldn't do the simple math.

I'm not going to give you any more of my attention. I've ran into a-holes like you in person, on our channel and on this forum. Luckily dickheads like you are an exception to the rule. So, go ahead with your final a-hole comment because I know one's coming. Have a nice life a-hole.

 

[Gauss]

Awesome videos and discussion. Unfortunately, this looks beyond my ability and certainly my tool/space setup right now. What would it cost to have this done at a shop? Just trying to ballpark maintenance if I do take the plunge- seems this is a common enough issue and with my luck...

 

[APhelps]

Awesome videos and discussion. Unfortunately, this looks beyond my ability and certainly my tool/space setup right now. What would it cost to have this done at a shop? Just trying to ballpark maintenance if I do take the plunge- seems this is a common enough issue and with my luck...

It usually is pretty expensive ($1000+). The work is rather straight forward there's little to screw up in reality. The new tool Tim posted seems like it'll make quick work of the job. Ensuring the correct placement of the retainer is key and it seems wise to replace the wheel bearing as well given they probably have somewhere around 200k miles. Reusing the retainers and not cutting the ABS rings is where a large portion of money saving is going to be. I think all you need is two new bearings and two new seals (probably wise to have 3) but I could be mistaken.

Side note: Pulled my ABS rear sensors for another thing only to find I'm leaking oil. , guess I gotta do the work now.

 

[infamousRNR]

Awesome videos and discussion. Unfortunately, this looks beyond my ability and certainly my tool/space setup right now. What would it cost to have this done at a shop? Just trying to ballpark maintenance if I do take the plunge- seems this is a common enough issue and with my luck...

You can do this man! We give you all the info you need to be successful on this repair, even if it’s in your own backyard.

Bottom line is, the cost for labor will be More than buying all the tools you need to get this job done.

 

[mtbtim]

Awesome videos and discussion. Unfortunately, this looks beyond my ability and certainly my tool/space setup right now. What would it cost to have this done at a shop? Just trying to ballpark maintenance if I do take the plunge- seems this is a common enough issue and with my luck...

Well, do you not have the space to work on it at all or are you limited for space for a press? If you have space to work on it, you can still save money by pulling the axles yourself and finding a shop that can do the presswork for you. Just make sure you ask the shop lots of questions like how they plan to get the parts off. If they say they plan on cutting them off, run away and find another shop. You'll also want to give them very specific instructions on how you want the inner retainer pressed on. Obviously, I would suggest you to flip the orientation of the inner retainer and have them press it onto the axle with 5mm of polished axle showing above the retainer. You'll also want to tell them to swap the positions of the retainers so they can be reused saving you money. And, you'd want them to reuse the ABS tone rings as well. Reusing all 4 retainers and both ABS tone rings will save you around $150 based off online pricing.

Here's another idea thinking out of the box. If you find a local auto shop or machine shop that looks like it's ran well with competent employees, maybe ask them for a barter. You buy them the axle tool our buddy Duane makes, and then they do the press work free for you. The shop is gaining a new handy tool that will allow them to handle the press work for Toyota truck and SUV axles which is going to make them money and make their job easier. You can even provide them a link to our video so they can see how it works. If they're cool and open to owning a new tool, they might go for it.

 

[weekendclimber]

I'm not going to give you any more of my attention.

Favorite Timmay the Toolman quote, right here!

 

[Gauss]

Well, do you not have the space to work on it at all or are you limited for space for a press?

I don't even have the truck yet . Still on the fence trying to justify a second weekend vehicle.

I don't have a garage- just a small parking pad in the city. My toolset is limited a bit as well, but the biggest issue for me is my skillset. I've done things like brakes, thermostat, alternator and various easy tuneup/maintenance type work, but nothing this major, and that was all a decade ago. My primary vehicle I bought new and have only been giving it oil changes.

I think if I bought a 3rd gen I would do the radiator and shocks and springs myself, which would be my biggest job ever. Just trying to figure out how much things like the rear axle and lower ball joints would cost me- those I think I would not want to do on my own but would eventually need to be done. With a couple small kids I don't really need a time or money sink.

I appreciate all the advice and thinking outside the box- I would definitely try to do what I could to learn and make sure things get done right, and of course keeping the expense down is huge for me.

 

[WWRD99]

Here's another idea thinking out of the box. If you find a local auto shop or machine shop that looks like it's ran well with competent employees, maybe ask them for a barter. You buy them the axle tool our buddy Duane makes, and then they do the press work free for you. The shop is gaining a new handy tool that will allow them to handle the press work for Toyota truck and SUV axles which is going to make them money and make their job easier. You can even provide them a link to our video so they can see how it works. If they're cool and open to owning a new tool, they might go for it.

I'd do that i a heart beat if some one offered that up...I have the press and the Snap On truck in my garage, heck I'd even take the axles out too!!

 

[SaulG]

Ooh Toolholio responds with a half assed repair attempt. You should focus on your reading comprehension skills more than your anal fixation.
Obviously your retardation is more severe than observed in your posts.

Yes your "repair" works (never claimed it wouldn't) but is it necessary NO forwards backwards upside down the seal doesn't give a shit.
As stated in other threads it depends on precision...
Never thought a discussion would be held in remorse but .. ( insert pics for toolholio)

Hey A-Hole,

a-hole So, using the Dr. Failure method, we flip the retainer. Yes a-hole, Do you understand the purpose for the flip method now a-hole?
Obviously more than yourself

Dealerships, Private Shops and Machine Shops screw up this job on a regular basis. You don't have to like the way we do it a-hole. The way we do it works. It's worked for all 12 jobs I've done. That's 24 axles imbecile in case you couldn't do the simple math.Wow that might be a dozen,must make you an expert?

I'm not going to give you any more of my attention. I've ran into a-holes like you in person, on our channel and on this forum. Luckily dickheads like myself are an exception to the rule. So, go ahead with your final a-hole comment because I know one's coming. Have a nice life a-hole.

You know if you douched that mouth once in awhile you little buddy Sean might help pry the sand out of your vagina,then again maybe not.

This one kills
"I've ran into a-holes like you in person, on our channel and on this forum. "

Congrats on your gender reassignment, no doubt your Sic'est Mod ever.

 

[gamefreakgc]

If you have space to work on it, you can still save money by pulling the axles yourself and finding a shop that can do the presswork for you. Just make sure you ask the shop lots of questions like how they plan to get the parts off. If they say they plan on cutting them off, run away and find another shop. You'll also want to give them very specific instructions on how you want the inner retainer pressed on. Obviously, I would suggest you to flip the orientation of the inner retainer and have them press it onto the axle with 5mm of polished axle showing above the retainer. You'll also want to tell them to swap the positions of the retainers so they can be reused saving you money. And, you'd want them to reuse the ABS tone rings as well. Reusing all 4 retainers and both ABS tone rings will save you around $150 based off online pricing.

I second this. I don't have the space or money for a press and it would be rarely ever used but there's a NAPA with a privately owned machine shop near my house that's done all my odd jobs over the years. He was super reluctant to flip the retainer around since he had all the Toyota specs pretty much memorized but at the end of the day he did do it for me. Only charged about $30 for a turn rotor and $60 to do the entire rear axle. Best part? I don't have to do any of it, just pick it up and it's golden.

 

[APhelps]

Ooh Toolholio responds with a half assed repair attempt. You should focus on your reading comprehension skills more than your anal fixation.
Obviously your retardation is more severe than observed in your posts.

Yes your "repair" works (never claimed it wouldn't) but is it necessary NO forwards backwards upside down the seal doesn't give a shit.
As stated in other threads it depends on precision...
Never thought a discussion would be held in remorse but .. ( insert pics for toolholio)

You know if you douched that mouth once in awhile you little buddy Sean might help pry the sand out of your vagina,then again maybe not.

This one kills
"I've ran into a-holes like you in person, on our channel and on this forum. "

Congrats on your gender reassignment, no doubt your Sic'est Mod ever.

You do realize that flipping the retainer around has some merit right?

You could applaud Tim for making videos about this repair and providing extra insight on how to do it rather than be completely dismissive.

Fact is this is quite an expensive and labor intensive job that is easily subjected to being done wrong.