SaulG
Member
Well Hell someones panties are in a bunch!! Maybe if your head weren't so bloated Timmy you could pull it from your arse easier?? :hail:
Rear Axle Seal/Bearing Replacement Videos
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Well Hell someones panties are in a bunch!! Maybe if your head weren't so bloated Timmy you could pull it from your arse easier?? :hail:
JZiggy
Senior Member
Nominated for most tedious post of the day.
mtbtim
Elite Member
Yep, Saul, you just proved your 100% a*shole status. I always say there no shortage of A-Holes in the world. Don't throw your shoulder out patting yourself on your back for your certified mechanic status. Us DIYers will continue to turn wrenches repairing, maintaining and modding our own rigs to avoid shops with retards like you charging way too much while screwing things up.
infamousRNR
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Mark_BC
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That's an mtbtim line. You must watch more than you admit.
WWRD99
New member
I got that coupon that makes that 20 ton press pretty much a no brainer...I got room in my mess hall to put it...I've done my rear seals a few times and have the drivers side acting up once in a while...I'll probably join you in doing a set in the next couple weeks getting that seal to stop seaping.
SaulG
Member
Of course!! Tim the Toolman has no data on his fix.. Well not even his really he copied the "Dr". Forwards or Reversed it all dependant on placement.
Why do you protest so much?? Tender feelings much?
Rear Axle Seals: The Ultimate Information and Replacement Thread (3rd gen)
OMG a non reversed retainer
Will a reversed retainer work...hell yeah it's obvious it WILL but why bother, unless you post a nice disclaimer first stating "your own risk"..hahaha
real professional Buddy Ol Pal...........or should I say backyard.
Keep on with the Sic Mods
Why do you protest so much?? Tender feelings much?
Rear Axle Seals: The Ultimate Information and Replacement Thread (3rd gen)
OMG a non reversed retainer
Will a reversed retainer work...hell yeah it's obvious it WILL but why bother, unless you post a nice disclaimer first stating "your own risk"..hahaha
real professional Buddy Ol Pal...........or should I say backyard.
Keep on with the Sic Mods
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JZiggy
Senior Member
Can you please remind us what you are trying to prove?
If you’re just trying to make fun of backyard mechanics you won’t make many friends on this forum.
Facebook is a better outlet for snark.
mtbtim
Elite Member
Hey A-Hole,
You obviously show a picture of an axle that was pulled from a rear end with an original OEM seal. The reason why I know this is because, to answer you question, I've performed this job at least 12 times. The amount of polished shoulder showing above the inner retainer coupled with the witness mark on the retainer lets me know this.
Now, here's a retainer I pulled from somebody's rig. Look at the two witness marks on the retainer. The one more in the center is where the original seal was riding. The one close to the bevel is where the newly designed Toyota seal was riding without any change of position of the inner retainer. The person thought they would be good with just replacing the seal and doing nothing else. But, this person's axle seal was leaking after the replacement. Why? Well, it looks like the seal was safely riding on the polished shoulder of the retainer, but maybe with some axle movement from a worn bearing, the seal was able to sometimes ride on the non-polished bevel and it caused the seal to fail prematurely.
To respond to another one of your a-hole comments, we agree that the newly designed Toyota seal now sits 2mm more inboard. We either have to adjust the inner retainer more inboard to compensate for that, but now we will be risking having the inner retainer rub the inside of the axle housing. So, using the Dr. Coffee method, we flip the retainer. Yes a-hole, we know the bevel is there to facilitate the insertion or the axle into the seal. But, since the newly designed seal is so PLIABLE, you DO NOT risk damaging the seal by flipping it's orientation. Get one of the new seals in your hands and insert a retainer into the seal. There is so much flexibility in this seal, you would have to try to damage it when inserting the axle. Our "Flip Method" allows us to keep the retainer in the original position (5mm of polished shoulder exposed above the retainer) on the axle, allows a good mating with the seal and eliminates any concern with having the retainer rub the inside of the axle housing. Ok, pay attention a-hole. The bevel is 2mm wide. The seal now sits 2mm more inboard. BECAUSE the seal DOES NOT First have to push past the 2mm bevel to get up onto the polished shoulder of the retainer, we gain back the 2mm lost with the seal re-design. Do you understand the purpose for the flip method now a-hole?
Dealerships, Private Shops and Machine Shops screw up this job on a regular basis. You don't have to like the way we do it a-hole. The way we do it works. It's worked for all 12 jobs I've done. That's 24 axles imbecile in case you couldn't do the simple math.
I'm not going to give you any more of my attention. I've ran into a-holes like you in person, on our channel and on this forum. Luckily dickheads like you are an exception to the rule. So, go ahead with your final a-hole comment because I know one's coming. Have a nice life a-hole.
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Awesome videos and discussion. Unfortunately, this looks beyond my ability and certainly my tool/space setup right now. What would it cost to have this done at a shop? Just trying to ballpark maintenance if I do take the plunge- seems this is a common enough issue and with my luck...
It usually is pretty expensive ($1000+). The work is rather straight forward there's little to screw up in reality. The new tool Tim posted seems like it'll make quick work of the job. Ensuring the correct placement of the retainer is key and it seems wise to replace the wheel bearing as well given they probably have somewhere around 200k miles. Reusing the retainers and not cutting the ABS rings is where a large portion of money saving is going to be. I think all you need is two new bearings and two new seals (probably wise to have 3) but I could be mistaken.
Side note: Pulled my ABS rear sensors for another thing only to find I'm leaking oil.
, guess I gotta do the work now.
infamousRNR
Senior Member
You can do this man! We give you all the info you need to be successful on this repair, even if it’s in your own backyard.
Bottom line is, the cost for labor will be More than buying all the tools you need to get this job done.
mtbtim
Elite Member
Well, do you not have the space to work on it at all or are you limited for space for a press? If you have space to work on it, you can still save money by pulling the axles yourself and finding a shop that can do the presswork for you. Just make sure you ask the shop lots of questions like how they plan to get the parts off. If they say they plan on cutting them off, run away and find another shop. You'll also want to give them very specific instructions on how you want the inner retainer pressed on. Obviously, I would suggest you to flip the orientation of the inner retainer and have them press it onto the axle with 5mm of polished axle showing above the retainer. You'll also want to tell them to swap the positions of the retainers so they can be reused saving you money. And, you'd want them to reuse the ABS tone rings as well. Reusing all 4 retainers and both ABS tone rings will save you around $150 based off online pricing.
Here's another idea thinking out of the box. If you find a local auto shop or machine shop that looks like it's ran well with competent employees, maybe ask them for a barter. You buy them the axle tool our buddy Duane makes, and then they do the press work free for you. The shop is gaining a new handy tool that will allow them to handle the press work for Toyota truck and SUV axles which is going to make them money and make their job easier. You can even provide them a link to our video so they can see how it works. If they're cool and open to owning a new tool, they might go for it.
weekendclimber
New member
Favorite Timmay the Toolman quote, right here!
I don't even have the truck yet
. Still on the fence trying to justify a second weekend vehicle.I don't have a garage- just a small parking pad in the city. My toolset is limited a bit as well, but the biggest issue for me is my skillset. I've done things like brakes, thermostat, alternator and various easy tuneup/maintenance type work, but nothing this major, and that was all a decade ago. My primary vehicle I bought new and have only been giving it oil changes.
I think if I bought a 3rd gen I would do the radiator and shocks and springs myself, which would be my biggest job ever. Just trying to figure out how much things like the rear axle and lower ball joints would cost me- those I think I would not want to do on my own but would eventually need to be done. With a couple small kids I don't really need a time or money sink.
I appreciate all the advice and thinking outside the box- I would definitely try to do what I could to learn and make sure things get done right, and of course keeping the expense down is huge for me.
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WWRD99
New member
I'd do that i a heart beat if some one offered that up...I have the press and the Snap On truck in my garage, heck I'd even take the axles out too!!
SaulG
Member
Ooh Toolholio responds with a half assed repair attempt. You should focus on your reading comprehension skills more than your anal fixation.
Obviously your retardation is more severe than observed in your posts.
Yes your "repair" works (never claimed it wouldn't) but is it necessary NO forwards backwards upside down the seal doesn't give a shit.
As stated in other threads it depends on precision...
Never thought a discussion would be held in remorse but .. ( insert pics for toolholio)
You know if you douched that mouth once in awhile you little buddy Sean might help pry the sand out of your vagina,then again maybe not.
This one kills
"I've ran into a-holes like you in person, on our channel and on this forum. "
Congrats on your gender reassignment, no doubt your Sic'est Mod ever.
Obviously your retardation is more severe than observed in your posts.
Yes your "repair" works (never claimed it wouldn't) but is it necessary NO forwards backwards upside down the seal doesn't give a shit.
As stated in other threads it depends on precision...
Never thought a discussion would be held in remorse but .. ( insert pics for toolholio)
You know if you douched that mouth once in awhile you little buddy Sean might help pry the sand out of your vagina,then again maybe not.
This one kills
"I've ran into a-holes like you in person, on our channel and on this forum. "
Congrats on your gender reassignment, no doubt your Sic'est Mod ever.
gamefreakgc
Elite Member
I second this. I don't have the space or money for a press and it would be rarely ever used but there's a NAPA with a privately owned machine shop near my house that's done all my odd jobs over the years. He was super reluctant to flip the retainer around since he had all the Toyota specs pretty much memorized but at the end of the day he did do it for me. Only charged about $30 for a turn rotor and $60 to do the entire rear axle. Best part? I don't have to do any of it, just pick it up and it's golden.
Ooh Toolholio responds with a half assed repair attempt. You should focus on your reading comprehension skills more than your anal fixation.
Obviously your retardation is more severe than observed in your posts.
Yes your "repair" works (never claimed it wouldn't) but is it necessary NO forwards backwards upside down the seal doesn't give a shit.
As stated in other threads it depends on precision...
Never thought a discussion would be held in remorse but .. ( insert pics for toolholio)
You know if you douched that mouth once in awhile you little buddy Sean might help pry the sand out of your vagina,then again maybe not.
This one kills
"I've ran into a-holes like you in person, on our channel and on this forum. "
Congrats on your gender reassignment, no doubt your Sic'est Mod ever.
You do realize that flipping the retainer around has some merit right?
You could applaud Tim for making videos about this repair and providing extra insight on how to do it rather than be completely dismissive.
Fact is this is quite an expensive and labor intensive job that is easily subjected to being done wrong.
