**Rear Coil Spring Discussion - The Perfect 3rd Gen Rear Spring**

[the great him]

I know I may be one of the few, but I love my 861s in anything I wish they were stiffer/held more weight. But then again I do have a good amount of weight back there, full bumper w/swing out and tire, hilift, tools, recovery equipment, sub, amp, compressor, rollbar and basket... I find that sometimes I get a little wiggle back there and some harsher bounces, to combat that I have airbags inside the coils, and I should probably step up to a 2.5 shock in the back not just the 2.0.

 

[T4Rchadly]

Let me know what you think of the 210v. I just installed the 675v on my 96'. I measured the coil free height at 18.75in or 476mm. I netted about 4in of lift with a plate bumper. They ride really well and overall i'm impressed with the ride quality and flex.

However, I may end up ditching the 675v for the 210v. The major downside to running a FJ/4th/5th gen coil is that they have a notably larger diameter. I knew this going into this project, and knew I might run into an issue. But for $133 it was worth the gamble.

For me, the issue is that the coil is so wide that it is actually hitting my frame rail on the passenger side. The contact is in the less active section of the coil so it doesn't pop or make any noises, but it does rub. I'm not sure how comfortable I would be in the long run with that kind of contact.

someone purchased the LAst 210v in the US. i ordered from vivid and they just had called em saying its unavailable until may.. back to the drawing board..:redbrick:

 

[Wrecked - Rebuilt]

I received the same email last week. Sometime mid-May will be the soonest they will have the 210v back in stock.

For the time being I will try to get the 675v to work a little better with my setup. I've been driving on them for a week now and I do have to say that they are the most comfortable coil I've run on my 4runner. I've loaded my truck up ~200lbs of gear and with my 120lb plate bumper i am sitting .75in higher in the rear than the front. And so far the coil contact with the frame seems to be a non-issue with regards to noise and flex.

I will be making 23mm and 13mm spacers to correct the driver's side lean and lift another half inch. Here's hoping that it somehow helps the frame rub. If the custom spacers work out i'll let everyone know.

At this point I should probably start considering the OME861s

 

[jman11788]

Has anyone mentioned getting a 5th gen lift spring? I think a 1" lift spring for 5th gens would be equivalent to 3-3.5" of lift on our rigs and springs should be soft too right? I love the way my LC 7.5 wraps ride but they're almost 4" of lift and i don't like the rake. I'm trying to look for the softest 3"+ of lift because i have stock weight in the back.

 

[Wrecked - Rebuilt]

So the Dobinsons 675v are for the FJ, 4th and 5th 4runners. They are a 3in, stock weight, high-flex coil. I am currently running them with a 120lb steel plate bumper and they netted me 4in of lift. With this in mind I'd think a 1in lift coil from a 5th gen would only net you a 2-2.5in lift. The other issue is that if you are running extended shocks a 1in lift coil might not have enough free height to stay in the truck at full flex.

I had this issue with the Dobinsons 137v (2in variable rate coil). Even with 10mm trim packers the coils would be loose to the point of falling out (with stock LC shocks).

Also, while FJ, 4th and 5th gen coils technically 'work' I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. I bought my as a fun experiment but I will not be keeping them in the long run. The FJ/4th/5th gen coils are a larger diameter so you have to get creative to center them on your oem coil perches...I'm also having an issue where the coil is too wide, to the point that it hits the frame of the truck.

 

[Fishwerks]

Thanks for being the guinea pig.... stoked to see your results!

Let me know what you think of the 210v. I just installed the 675v on my 96'. I measured the coil free height at 18.75in or 476mm. I netted about 4in of lift with a plate bumper. They ride really well and overall i'm impressed with the ride quality and flex.

However, I may end up ditching the 675v for the 210v. The major downside to running a FJ/4th/5th gen coil is that they have a notably larger diameter. I knew this going into this project, and knew I might run into an issue. But for $133 it was worth the gamble.

For me, the issue is that the coil is so wide that it is actually hitting my frame rail on the passenger side. The contact is in the less active section of the coil so it doesn't pop or make any noises, but it does rub. I'm not sure how comfortable I would be in the long run with that kind of contact.

So the Dobinsons 675v are for the FJ, 4th and 5th 4runners. They are a 3in, stock weight, high-flex coil. I am currently running them with a 120lb steel plate bumper and they netted me 4in of lift. With this in mind I'd think a 1in lift coil from a 5th gen would only net you a 2-2.5in lift. The other issue is that if you are running extended shocks a 1in lift coil might not have enough free height to stay in the truck at full flex.

I had this issue with the Dobinsons 137v (2in variable rate coil). Even with 10mm trim packers the coils would be loose to the point of falling out (with stock LC shocks).

Also, while FJ, 4th and 5th gen coils technically 'work' I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. I bought my as a fun experiment but I will not be keeping them in the long run. The FJ/4th/5th gen coils are a larger diameter so you have to get creative to center them on your oem coil perches...I'm also having an issue where the coil is too wide, to the point that it hits the frame of the truck.

I've been meaning to log-in here and post this same thing about the 675v. I couldn't get them to seat into the coil buckets on top, they just kinda wedged between the frame rail and the edge of the bucket due to the larger spring diameter. I could fit my finger between the top of the coil and the coil bucket. I tried with the stock cone bumps, still no dice.

I didn't want to run them if they weren't seated fully, so I put the 861s back on for now. I can post photos if people want, it was kind of hard to get a photo that showed it well though. But I'd agree that they aren't the right solution unfortunately.

 

[T4Rchadly]

So the Dobinsons 675v are for the FJ, 4th and 5th 4runners. They are a 3in, stock weight, high-flex coil. I am currently running them with a 120lb steel plate bumper and they netted me 4in of lift. With this in mind I'd think a 1in lift coil from a 5th gen would only net you a 2-2.5in lift. The other issue is that if you are running extended shocks a 1in lift coil might not have enough free height to stay in the truck at full flex.

I had this issue with the Dobinsons 137v (2in variable rate coil). Even with 10mm trim packers the coils would be loose to the point of falling out (with stock LC shocks).

Also, while FJ, 4th and 5th gen coils technically 'work' I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. I bought my as a fun experiment but I will not be keeping them in the long run. The FJ/4th/5th gen coils are a larger diameter so you have to get creative to center them on your oem coil perches...I'm also having an issue where the coil is too wide, to the point that it hits the frame of the truck.

with us being on the same boat with the 210s, in the meantime i want to find an alternative in the meantime since i dont want to wait another month and a half..

i did more investigating and found out that the 210's are similar to a 7.5 wrap that sonoran steel uses, just i think 30lbs different in weight holding, and also not variable spring weight.. the part number sonoran uses is (48131-6A570) and i assume if you use a stiffer shock it would help with carring the load, thus a safe an known shock is the black tokico. (48531-69417) the end total for this setup online is $367.30 after shipping fees.. the only issue is that if im not mistaken it does have driver lean and need a 1/2" spacer for just the driver side.

i may just be pulling the trigger as i think im about to really add some weight in the next 2 weeks with a sleeping platform/drawer system..

**EDIT**

1994 LC
Front right 48131-6A570 18.7 inches
Front left 48131-6A480 19.5 inches
91 LC without alumn wheel
Front right 48131-60230 20.5 inches
Front left 48131-60810 21 inches
91 LC with alumn wheel
Front right 48131-60260 20.9 inches
Front left 48131-60820 21.1 inches

dobinson 210V

475mm (one side) = 18.7inch
185mm (other side) = 19.1 inch

with that being said, theres a .4 inch difference (3/8s difference).. i have a lil skips gas tank skid so i think with the 55 lbs it should bring it down to atleast a 1/4 inch difference.. i think im going to pull the trigger and proceed with the 1994 LC springs

 

[CT135]

I have a 4X innovations bumper on the way and i'll be adding a rear swingout. I think the 861's will be overkill. Maybe the dobinsons 210V will provide the proper height with that extra weight, kind of a hybrid between the stock LC springs and the 861's.

 

[fourfive]

Are the Dobinson 210v just an aftermarket version of the FZJ80 coils (48131-6A570 & 48131-6A480) & the benefit being they're a cheaper option?

That sucks Toytec discontinued the superflex coils. I like them a lot & would buy them again if something happened to the ones I have now. Hopefully they bring it back like they did the ultimate 5100 coilovers (which I recently bought & waiting delivery).

 

[Wrecked - Rebuilt]

-Dobinsons 210v are probably the most expensive rear coil, with a retail price of $230 +$40 in shipping (with tax you're pushing $290).

-Land cruiser coils can be found for $111 per side (McGeorge Toyota), often with free shipping if you get a promo code, total you're ~$237

-OME861 will be your least expensive (new) option. you can usually find them on Amazon for $187, shipped to your door in two days.

The reason there is a lot of interest in the Dobinsons 210v is that it is a stock height, stock weight, progressive rate coil. The specs are DS -285mm / PS -275mm free height, with a 182-217# progressive rate. This means that this coil is going to have a ~1/2in lower free height than the OME 861, while also providing a softer initial coil rate with the truck is unloaded. When the truck does have a bit of load (rear bumper, swing out, camping gear, and spares) the coil will compress the 182# section and get into the 217# section. So the hope would be that you'd end up with a 4-4.5in lift unloaded and then settle out to 3-3.5in of lift fully loaded. Not to mention it 'should' ride better unloaded than the OME861s, while retaining the weight carrying capacity of the OME861 when fully loaded.

This is all speculation though.

 

[fourfive]

-Dobinsons 210v are probably the most expensive rear coil, with a retail price of $230 +$40 in shipping (with tax you're pushing $290).

-Land cruiser coils can be found for $111 per side (McGeorge Toyota), often with free shipping if you get a promo code, total you're ~$237

-OME861 will be your least expensive (new) option. you can usually find them on Amazon for $187, shipped to your door in two days.

The reason there is a lot of interest in the Dobinsons 210v is that it is a stock height, stock weight, progressive rate coil. The specs are DS -285mm / PS -275mm free height, with a 182-217# progressive rate. This means that this coil is going to have a ~1/2in lower free height than the OME 861, while also providing a softer initial coil rate with the truck is unloaded. When the truck does have a bit of load (rear bumper, swing out, camping gear, and spares) the coil will compress the 182# section and get into the 217# section. So the hope would be that you'd end up with a 4-4.5in lift unloaded and then settle out to 3-3.5in of lift fully loaded. Not to mention it 'should' ride better unloaded than the OME861s, while retaining the weight carrying capacity of the OME861 when fully loaded.

This is all speculation though.

I think my confusion came from seeing Dobinsons 210v for $190+35 shipping on amazon compared to Toyota FZJ80 for $220+20 shipping. Amazon's description says 210v will provide ~2" lift for 90-97 LC but Dobinsons website says 210v are stock height which added to the confusion & why I was under the impression it was just an aftermarket replacement. The only thing that caught my eye that was different (on their website) was that it said it's progressive. Have these been around for a while? This is the first I've heard of them.

 

[CT135]

-Dobinsons 210v are probably the most expensive rear coil, with a retail price of $230 +$40 in shipping (with tax you're pushing $290).

The reason there is a lot of interest in the Dobinsons 210v is that it is a stock height, stock weight, progressive rate coil. The specs are DS -285mm / PS -275mm free height, with a 182-217# progressive rate. This means that this coil is going to have a ~1/2in lower free height than the OME 861, while also providing a softer initial coil rate with the truck is unloaded. When the truck does have a bit of load (rear bumper, swing out, camping gear, and spares) the coil will compress the 182# section and get into the 217# section. So the hope would be that you'd end up with a 4-4.5in lift unloaded and then settle out to 3-3.5in of lift fully loaded. Not to mention it 'should' ride better unloaded than the OME861s, while retaining the weight carrying capacity of the OME861 when fully loaded.

This is all speculation though.

That explanation made more sense than anything I have read when it comes to the dobinson springs vs the rest.

 

[T4Rchadly]

-Dobinsons 210v are probably the most expensive rear coil, with a retail price of $230 +$40 in shipping (with tax you're pushing $290).

-Land cruiser coils can be found for $111 per side (McGeorge Toyota), often with free shipping if you get a promo code, total you're ~$237

-OME861 will be your least expensive (new) option. you can usually find them on Amazon for $187, shipped to your door in two days.

The reason there is a lot of interest in the Dobinsons 210v is that it is a stock height, stock weight, progressive rate coil. The specs are DS -285mm / PS -275mm free height, with a 182-217# progressive rate. This means that this coil is going to have a ~1/2in lower free height than the OME 861, while also providing a softer initial coil rate with the truck is unloaded. When the truck does have a bit of load (rear bumper, swing out, camping gear, and spares) the coil will compress the 182# section and get into the 217# section. So the hope would be that you'd end up with a 4-4.5in lift unloaded and then settle out to 3-3.5in of lift fully loaded. Not to mention it 'should' ride better unloaded than the OME861s, while retaining the weight carrying capacity of the OME861 when fully loaded.

This is all speculation though.

mcgoerge 570s are $160 per

 

[Jaysen4runner]

Any pics of dobinson on the 4runner?

 

[Wrecked - Rebuilt]

Well that is super weird...I checked McGeorge while writing my post and just re-checked this morning. McGeorge have the 570s list price as 168.89, but automatically discount it to $111.16, and even if you can't find free shipping, shipping is only $19.64 (obviously dependent on where you live). Maybe pricing is region dependent as well??

 

[Wrecked - Rebuilt]

I think my confusion came from seeing Dobinsons 210v for $190+35 shipping on amazon compared to Toyota FZJ80 for $220+20 shipping. Amazon's description says 210v will provide ~2" lift for 90-97 LC but Dobinsons website says 210v are stock height which added to the confusion & why I was under the impression it was just an aftermarket replacement. The only thing that caught my eye that was different (on their website) was that it said it's progressive. Have these been around for a while? This is the first I've heard of them.

I believe the $190 2" Dobinsons coils listed on Amazon are actually the C59-222V, not the C59-210v. The 210v are a stock height coil.

And Dobinsons isn't a new company, just 'new-ish' to the US market. I've been running the Dobinsons C59-137v 2in coils on my 3rd gen for 2+ years and they have been really solid for retaining comfort unloaded and then holding 600lbs of cargo and passengers with minimal sag. If I hadn't switched over to LC rear shocks for the 'long travel' i would stick with the 137v. The 137v will fall out with extended shocks (even with 1in spacers).

As for the potential benefits of the 210v, they are all speculative right now unless someone who has run them can chime in. But they are side specific to help with the driver's side lean, and 'should' offer a similiar lift as the LC coils unloaded. With the initial coil rate of 187# they should ride decently well without weight, but then when loaded you'll end up in the 217# section (similar to the OME861). So theoretically they are a blend of the LC coils for comfort and unloaded height, but can take weight like the OME861 without the ridiculous ride height.

I have a set of 210v on back order so I'll be a guinea pig for the 210v. Unfortunately they are on back order until May, so you'll have to wait.

 

[Bad Luck]

I have a set of 210v on back order so I'll be a guinea pig for the 210v. Unfortunately they are on back order until May, so you'll have to wait.

Who did you order from? I'm assuming they are waiting on Dobinson to make another run of them.

 

[Wrecked - Rebuilt]

Who did you order from? I'm assuming they are waiting on Dobinson to make another run of them.

I've ordered all of my coils from Dobinson's Direct USA. I've had a few calls with them in the last month and it sounds like the whole Covid 19 pandemic is causing supply chain issues/shipping issues.

 

[fourfive]

Here's the link to the C59-210V I was referring to in my other post.

Dobinsons Front Coil Springs for Toyota Land Cruiser 80 series 1990-19 – Dobinsons Direct

 

[Fishwerks]

[MENTION=121903]Black798[/MENTION] is running the 210v.