Rear lift question

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MaineT4R

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Have a 99 that I'm in the process of getting a lift for. Doing Tundra front struts because have a friend with a wrecked one until I have the cash for coilers. Building the 4Runner for a kayak hauler. Want to be able to carry 4 boats at 50-80 pounds each plus 4 riders and gear without squatting much but still still keep a relatively good ride when unloaded. Its a reach to ask for i know and I have searched and searched the forum for a good answer but haven't exactly found one. What should I go with? also running stock bumpers and probably will be like that for awhile
thanks guys
 
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With that kind of weight OME 891's would be great...the trade off is when its empty it will ride rough, at least for me. Wheelers Offroad is a great outlet for them too. You may find them cheaper somewhere else, but Ive never bothered to look.

LC Springs would be good too, I personally can't direct you into which wrap size you would need.
 
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Ive seen a lot about the 891s. I wouldn't mind if they were a little stiffer because of weight and if i need to haul anything at some point, which is a very strong possibility. I'm going to buy some quality shocks for it too because Maine roads suck especially some that I take to get to rivers and I like to drive on the faster side so good suspension is what I'm aiming for haha.
 
Myrunr2010 said:
Bah. I've heard so many people say the opposite that I just pulled the trigger on some LC springs....
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That's because people are usually more vocal when they have something to complain about.

I've said it before, anyone who thinks 891s are rough (or any coil spring) should go take a ride in a 1ton pickup with leaf springs on all four corners. There's a big difference between a firm ride and rough.
 
csp said:
That's because people are usually more vocal when they have something to complain about.

I've said it before, anyone who thinks 891s are rough (or any coil spring) should go take a ride in a 1ton pickup with leaf springs on all four corners. There's a big difference between a firm ride and rough.
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I know exactly what you mean because all I ever have had is trucks until now. its like riding in a caddy compared to my last f150. What about LC coils? seen stuff about the 8 wraps. Anyone know how they compare? I don't mind rake so if i have some with the tundra struts ill be fine until mid summer.
 
csp said:
That's because people are usually more vocal when they have something to complain about.

I've said it before, anyone who thinks 891s are rough (or any coil spring) should go take a ride in a 1ton pickup with leaf springs on all four corners. There's a big difference between a firm ride and rough.
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Sure. But that is an apples to oranges comparison. The stock ride (with unworn equipment) is a very comfortable/soft grocery getting ride. The 891's (which I have) are far rougher than stock, unless loaded down...if you want to call it firm so be it, that is just semantics.

The reason I even offer the info is cause most want a lift without the ride. I expect the ride to be stiffer and could care less, but I would be lying if there isn't a solid difference between the two.


DanKendall6 said:
I'll take your 99 springs off your hands ;)
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15 yr old springs most likely won't hold the sought after '99 height.
 
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Rear springs actually aren't sagging much at all if any. Still has that grocery getter feel but sits higher compared to others in my area. Im going to go with the 891s for now and see how I like it. From what Ive seen and read it should do the deal perfectly fine. Thanks for the help guys. Ill post some pics up once they come in and i get them on.
 
ajonesnv said:
The stock ride (with unworn equipment) is a very comfortable/soft grocery getting ride.
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So how many do you think that call the ride rough compared to stock actually have unworn equipment? Unless they have new stock type springs I doubt if 1 out of 100 do.

Just sayin'

I suppose that the same folks calling a T4R a "truck" also want the cushy ride. lol

MaineT4R said:
What about LC coils? seen stuff about the 8 wraps. Anyone know how they compare?
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I had them prior to the 891s. I found them to be squishy and quirky. With the stock trackbar you could feel the weight unpredictably shifting from side to side. I didn't like the stinkbug looking rake, but the shifty ride could be spooky and is what really drove me to try something else.
 
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csp said:
I'll disagree on the rough ride comment on 891s. Mine is no rougher than it was stock.
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My ome front coils are way stiffer than stock. With bumper and winch it's softer. You can really tell when going over a speed bump. It's just known they are stiffer than OEM suspensio .
 
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csp said:
So how many do you think that call the ride rough compared to stock actually have unworn equipment? Unless they have new stock type springs I doubt if 1 out of 100 do.

Just sayin'

I suppose that the same folks calling a T4R a "truck" also want the cushy ride. lol



I had them prior to the 891s. I found them to be squishy and quirky. With the stock trackbar you could feel the weight unpredictably shifting from side to side. I didn't like the stinkbug looking rake, but the shifty ride could be spooky and is what really drove me to try something else.
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Really. Lc coils where that bad? Mine feel like OEM ride. Get many complements on my ride for it being lifted. Not to mention off road they out flex ome coils hands down. It's even close. Its like there so stiff they lift the tire before the shock bottoms out. I out flex them when they have no sway bar connected and mine is connected.
 
JayRolla said:
My ome front coils are way stiffer than stock.
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The 891s I was specifically talking about are rear coils.

And yes, LC coils were that bad on road. I've read of several folks with the same experience. A longer or relocated track bar would likely help, since with the longer coils the axle isn't centered. That would lead to unpredictable loading/unloading of the springs.

I didn't have them on long enough for any offroad experience. My CJ is the go-to vehicle for hard core wheeling anyhow.
 
csp said:
The 891s I was specifically talking about are rear coils.

And yes, LC coils were that bad on road. I've read of several folks with the same experience. A longer or relocated track bar would likely help, since with the longer coils the axle isn't centered. That would lead to unpredictable loading/unloading of the springs.

I didn't have them on long enough for any offroad experience. My CJ is the go-to vehicle for hard core wheeling anyhow.
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I maybe could see that and yes an adjustable rear panhard bar is recommended but never noticed any issues. What rear shocks where you using? I have driven on a 1600 mile trip at 80mph with zero issues. Rear 7 wraps and tokico shocks with rear sway bar connected with custom sway bar lift brackets. Stock panhard bar.
 
Jay you seem to be looking for a fault in the parts or methods I used.

Shocks are there to control rebound, not loading/unloading of the suspension. I used stock LC replacements and they work fine for controlling rebound with either the LC coils or the 891s.

It's great that you've had good luck with your LC coils. I didn't and just have presented my personal, first-hand experience. That said, I'm not the only one on this site to have mentioned the quirkiness of using LC coils.

If there's one thing I've learned in 30+ years of not being able to leave vehicles alone it's that none of these modified vehicles will behave the exact same as another one will, even similar mods on the same make/model.
 
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