Rear shock options. OME too stiff.

[iamadam1122]

I currently have ome 906 springs with 60028 shocks in the rear. I like the height but the ride is way too hard, I don't carry any weight or tow much. Would new shocks soften the rear? Or do I need to lose the 906 springs.

I was going to buy bilstein 5150's until I realized they're discontinued. I liked that they were under 300$ and would have been a pretty good match for the icon coilovers I will be putting up front. Icon has rear shocks but they're 800$. I notice they (and others) have cheaper options for 4th gen rear shocks, would these work on a 3rd gen?

 

[Millerad1651]

If you just have the 906s you can get the Bilstein 4600s that are made for 4Runners. Close to stock shocks, maybe a tad bit stiffer. Many people have run them and been happy.

 

[PitbullRescuer]

With 906's you can run pretty much any rear shock. Get some Monroes and call it a day if you're concerned about comfort. The Bilstein 4600's are another good option, but a tad stiffer and more money than the Monroes. There are plenty of options for you, any stock replacement shock will work. I don;t think you need to spend Bilstein money on the rear shocks.

 

[sn0wrunner]

I notice they (and others) have cheaper options for 4th gen rear shocks, would these work on a 3rd gen?

They will work. They are a little long for the 906's though. So when you are flexing out you may loose a rear coil unless you do some bumpstop modifications.

 

[Stick Figure]

or you could take the cash you were going to spend on another set of rear shocks and spend it on tools or recover gear to help ad some weight to the back.

 

[fish0281]

I had 906's with the stock shocks and it rode softer than the OME's do... the shocks definitely control the ride/feel. I agree with PitbullRescuer on this one.

 

[audiness]

I am running the 906s with Bilstein 5125s, it feels great. Most people say don't run OME springs with Bilstein shocks, but IMO its perfect.

 

[PitbullRescuer]

I am running the 906s with Bilstein 5125s, it feels great. Most people say don't run OME springs with Bilstein shocks, but IMO its perfect.

I've never heard that before. Most people say don't run OME shocks because they ride like sh*t.

 

[mattleegee]

i thought 60028 where "comfort ride" ? still not good?

 

[badattitude]

Replacement OEM Toyota rear shocks were surprisingly cheap last time I looked. About $40 each IIRC.

 

[iamadam1122]

Bilstein Part 25-177480 - 5165 Series Reservoir Shock Absorber

Would something like the link above pair well with coilovers in the front? I don't have a problem spending 180 each. But 400 each for the rear icons is too much for me. I do not carry loads but do occasional higher speed dirt roads and a lot of street driving.

Thanks again

 

[fish0281]

I've never heard that before. Most people say don't run OME shocks because they ride like sh*t.

I don't think they ride BAD, they're just stiff. I personally like the ride though, it feels much safer keeping up with the highway traffic in the mountains... body roll on mountain roads makes me pucker.

 

[iamadam1122]

Does anyone know if I could use the bilstein 5165 shocks in the rear? They have a stud top mount and 5/8" lower eye mount. Almost identical compressed and extended lengths as my current shocks.

Only thing I'm unsure about is the valving, 366/240. Is that stiff? Soft? Ok for 3rd gen weight unloaded?

I wish there were more rear shock options like 4th gens. Icon and fox make middle priced ones that go well with coilovers, but they're too long for 3rd gens.

 

[iamadam1122]

I've found a few "non vehicle specific" shocks. How do you know if the valving will work well with our trucks?

for example, the shocks below dont list valving, but the dimensions are almost identical to the OME's im running now?

Fox Racing Shox Part 985-24-008 - Fox 2.0 Performance Series Smooth Body IFP Shock

 

[Yoter]

If its the stiffness of the ride that bothers you, I would recommend loosing the 906's rather then buying new shocks.
The 906's are the stiffest/highest spring rate (220lbs), springs that fit our 4runners.
To maximise the the comfort of the vehicle with these springs you will need a shock that provides maximum damping or the most controlled/ slowest rebound possible.
I think, (feel free to correct if this is wrong) that this will come at a performance loss at high speed rough terrain, and will also likely cause more ware on the shocks.
I do not know what spring to recommend as a replacement?
There has been some talk of FJ cruiser springs and shocks working, maybe someone can confirm?

 

[iamadam1122]

If its the stiffness of the ride that bothers you, I would recommend loosing the 906's rather then buying new shocks.
The 906's are the stiffest/highest spring rate (220lbs), springs that fit our 4runners.
To maximise the the comfort of the vehicle with these springs you will need a shock that provides maximum damping or the most controlled/ slowest rebound possible.
I think, (feel free to correct if this is wrong) that this will come at a performance loss at high speed rough terrain, and will also likely cause more ware on the shocks.
I do not know what spring to recommend as a replacement?
There has been some talk of FJ cruiser springs and shocks working, maybe someone can confirm?

This is what I was thinking, its the spring that is too stiff. The problem is I do not want a 3" lift spring. So that leaves me with 906's or stock 99 springs and a spacer?

 

[fish0281]

If its the stiffness of the ride that bothers you, I would recommend loosing the 906's rather then buying new shocks.
The 906's are the stiffest/highest spring rate (220lbs), springs that fit our 4runners.
To maximise the the comfort of the vehicle with these springs you will need a shock that provides maximum damping or the most controlled/ slowest rebound possible.
I think, (feel free to correct if this is wrong) that this will come at a performance loss at high speed rough terrain, and will also likely cause more ware on the shocks.
I do not know what spring to recommend as a replacement?
There has been some talk of FJ cruiser springs and shocks working, maybe someone can confirm?

The spring's primary job is to provide a certain amount of static-load bearing capacity, the shocks "control" the travel. I say "control" because that is the mechanism by which the up and down motions are kept from bouncing like a pogo stick. SO, it is the shock that affects the ride the most. I can tell you based on my experience with 906's using stock and 60028 shocks, that you your ride will change quite a bit depending on the shocks. That being said, it is a spring-damper system, so the springs do have some affect, but the shocks have a larger impact on perceived ride quality.

Using a shock with less damping won't necessarily lead to premature failure either.

Get a set of moog or Tokico shocks and try it out. Worst case scenario, you sell them to someone else and recoup most (if not all) your money.

 

[iamadam1122]

I had 906's with the stock shocks and it rode softer than the OME's do... the shocks definitely control the ride/feel. I agree with PitbullRescuer on this one.

or you could take the cash you were going to spend on another set of rear shocks and spend it on tools or recover gear to help ad some weight to the back.

I don't think they ride BAD, they're just stiff. I personally like the ride though, it feels much safer keeping up with the highway traffic in the mountains... body roll on mountain roads makes me pucker.

The spring's primary job is to provide a certain amount of static-load bearing capacity, the shocks "control" the travel. I say "control" because that is the mechanism by which the up and down motions are kept from bouncing like a pogo stick. SO, it is the shock that affects the ride the most. I can tell you based on my experience with 906's using stock and 60028 shocks, that you your ride will change quite a bit depending on the shocks. That being said, it is a spring-damper system, so the springs do have some affect, but the shocks have a larger impact on perceived ride quality.

Using a shock with less damping won't necessarily lead to premature failure either.

Get a set of moog or Tokico shocks and try it out. Worst case scenario, you sell them to someone else and recoup most (if not all) your money.

Would a stock length shock have a noticeable decrease in downward travel Offroad? I think they're about 1.5-2 inches shorter than OME 60028's.

I'll most likely buy Toyota shocks since I can get them cheap, and see what happens.

Edit: I only meant to quote the bottom one...hard to post from phone

 

[fish0281]

If they're 1.5" shorter in extended length, then yes you'll have that much less down travel. I don't know the collapsed/extended length dimensions off hand. This is a helpful link though

I have no idea if they're soft/firm or how good they are overall, but Toytec also sells some cheap nitro(?) shocks...

 

[iamadam1122]

I'm going to order the bilstein factory replacements. Is there a non HD version?

Also, the 5125's on toytec say minimum lift 3". So my springs would fall out correct?