Recipe for the best all-around 4runner that wheels hard and road trips.

Exactly what I came here to say. If you are doing anything fairly serious, you bought the wrong vehicle.

I do serious trails and I would have to disagree with your opinion. It's a fantastic platform to build a dedicated offroad vehicle on. You'd be surprised how far you can go.

No offense I don't think someone who lives in NJ has a really informed opinion on what serious off-road driving is. I grew up in your state and drove off-road in the Pine Barrens, PA, VT, Upstate NY etc. There isn't much technical offroad driving unless you go to off road parks looking for trouble.
 
that's what i run too when i go camping, and i throw my tent on top of the traction boards (in between the 2 rifle cases). I have a full size roof rack, so my traction boards have since moved towards the front of the roof rack (sideways near the windshield).

I got one for recovery, collapsible buckets, and propane, and water hose (basically dirty shit, or stuff i dont want in the truck like propane). The other one, i put my full size cot in there, some flip flops or random miscellaneous stuff that i need to keep clean.

2 rifle cases is really low profile but i got two of the 52 inch ones since i run a full roof rack.
How long are your recovery boards? I was thinking about mounting my transversely as opposed to longitudinal for aero and putting the Hi-Lift and RotoPax tube in the middle, as they are the least used. Maybe even install the boards at a slight slant to make a larger fairing when using the cases. I could then fit additional stuff in between on top of the jack and Rotopax as you did. My setup was done with keeping the highest point under 7' as to fit in the garage.
 
How long are your recovery boards? I was thinking about mounting my transversely as opposed to longitudinal for aero and putting the Hi-Lift and RotoPax tube in the middle, as they are the least used. Maybe even install the boards at a slight slant to make a larger fairing when using the cases. I could then fit additional stuff in between on top of the jack and Rotopax as you did. My setup was done with keeping the highest point under 7' as to fit in the garage.

i have a full prinsu rack, so i can still fit two 52 inch cases parallel like you did, and then have the maxtrax or x-bull mounted in front of it. you can kind of see it here (although i have a 42 and 52 inch rifle cases mounted up top in that pic).

in the middle of the rifle case, i throw a big ass tent (gazelle t3), or wood.
 

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i have a full prinsu rack, so i can still fit two 52 inch cases parallel like you did, and then have the maxtrax or x-bull mounted in front of it. you can kind of see it here (although i have a 42 and 52 inch rifle cases mounted up top in that pic).

in the middle of the rifle case, i throw a big ass tent (gazelle t3), or wood.
Thanks for that pic. How is your wind noise at 65-70? I like that and will try mounting my boards that way. I have even been thinking of mounting the Hi Lift and Rotopax in the cases. My Hi Lift is only 42” long. I could throw a lot in the middle of the cases. Maybe I should buy a ladder just for mounting my Hi Lift, Rotopax and trash bag for trips. Time to play Tetris with my rack arrangement.
 
full size prinsu ftw. we run one big apache (pelican knockoff) back to front, stacked recovery boards next to it right down the middle (carriage bolts with aluminum strap securing those), and 2 rotopax next to that on the passenger side. in front of that stuff rack is empty other than the antennae. so room for more crap. keep it all pushed back though so we dont have extra wind noise.


jk backwards, gas driver, case is on the passenger
lol
 

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I do serious trails and I would have to disagree with your opinion. It's a fantastic platform to build a dedicated offroad vehicle on. You'd be surprised how far you can go.

No offense I don't think someone who lives in NJ has a really informed opinion on what serious off-road driving is. I grew up in your state and drove off-road in the Pine Barrens, PA, VT, Upstate NY etc. There isn't much technical offroad driving unless you go to off road parks looking for trouble.

That's fine you disagree. I'm not saying the 4Runner isn't an extremely capable platform for what it is. Just that the Wrangler, and any solid front axle vehicle for that matter, is more capable and completes obstacles with much less drama, tire lifting, etc. Not just in capability, but a solid axle rig can be modified so much easier and more aggressively than an IFS rig. A lot less limitations on it. Something like a 4Runner hits it's limits really quick while a JL can fit 40s with extremely simple modifications.

No offense at all, honestly. I can see why you may think that way as NJ really does suck for offroading. However, I'd like to think I've spent more time offroading across the entire Northeast than most. Rausch Creek no less than a dozen times wheeling Black trails myself (Locked XJ on 33s, WJ with Long arms, lockers, and 35s) and riding along on Red's in buggies or more built Jeeps than mine. Went to numerous RCRocks competitions with my brother and friends who competed. Been to Paragon. Some tough trails in CT with winching. Some good EXP/half serious wheeling in NH multiple times. Tons of sand down in the pine barrens. Been to Johnson Valley multiple times for KOH and have spent a lot of time around Ultra4s as I have friends in the business. I've built all my rigs as well including doing a frame off rebuild of my father's TJ with my brother. I've had this hobby for 15 years and have seen how a lot of rigs perform on and off the trails. I'm not saying this to toot my own horn either. Just want to show that I'm not one of those idiots in the pine barrens that throw crappy MTs on an XJ and go get stuck and get areas shut down.
 
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Thanks for that pic. How is your wind noise at 65-70? I like that and will try mounting my boards that way. I have even been thinking of mounting the Hi Lift and Rotopax in the cases. My Hi Lift is only 42” long. I could throw a lot in the middle of the cases. Maybe I should buy a ladder just for mounting my Hi Lift, Rotopax and trash bag for trips. Time to play Tetris with my rack arrangement.

No wind noise or I got use to it
 
Me a Stock 2022 4Runner TRD Pro with Greenlane Off-road Rocksliders. This is a daily driver and is my hunting truck for Western States and to pull a small boat.
If I needed more Off Road capability I would of bought a Jeep.
 
I do serious trails and I would have to disagree with your opinion. It's a fantastic platform to build a dedicated offroad vehicle on. You'd be surprised how far you can go.

No offense I don't think someone who lives in NJ has a really informed opinion on what serious off-road driving is. I grew up in your state and drove off-road in the Pine Barrens, PA, VT, Upstate NY etc. There isn't much technical offroad driving unless you go to off road parks looking for trouble.

agree. this youtube channel is really impressive. obviously not a stock 4runner but it isn't built out like an army tank either. with a lift and tires and some decent skid plates the 4runner goes a long way

Jim/Erin Rose - YouTube
 
I never raced but grew up in a family of truck drivers, racing engineers, favorite uncle built dragsters, Indy cars (crew chiefed for Mickey Thompson) did support for the early Baja's and designed the Challenger, which had the world's land speed record for a while (He's third from left):

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I've had at least one 4WD in the family from the early 1970's to date. driven the old Mojave Road Trail in an FJ40 TLC. Had everything from a Subaru to a Jeep to a 4Runner (The best!). No one vehicle will do one: The 4Runner is the best highway and the FJ40 is the best offroad.

All the driver's I've met: Tommy Ivo, Ed Iskenderian, Mickey, Bill Stroppe, etc. all agree that it isn't the vehicle but the driver that is the most important component!
 
oh shoot i forgot to add that note. We definitly need something. When wife is with me it's not too bad, she can navigate just fine. but alone it SUCKS holding the phone reading Gaia lol. Stopping isnt an option lmao.

eventually an ipad and mount only for Gaia is the goal.

oh and CB or wahtever you want radio. gotta BS with the homies while ABS is trying to send you off the trail lmao

Gaia works pretty great via Apple CarPlay. I've been using it pretty effectively on my stock 2020 head unit, one of the larger screen aftermarket ones would probably do even better.
 
I'll play, we trails here in AZ pretty frequently, but living in Phoenix means driving 80-100 miles up north when we want to get out of the heat. Killing my interstate comfort for marginal gains off-road is a no go. I picked a T4R for that balance, so I'm sticking more OEM+. Parts are being chosen based on need, my next additions will likely be sliders to protect the rockers and an awning so we can take some shade with us on these desert trail lunch stops.

Tires (size/style): 285/70/r17 BFG KO2 in Load Range C to keep the weight down.
Lift (size/brand): 2"/1" Dobinsons suspension w/ their comfort valved rear shocks
Gearing change (Y/N, type): N
Front locker(Y/N): N
Rear locker (Y/N): Factory E Locker
Swingaway(for which gear): N (This would be a PITA w/ dogs, and a 33 fits in the stock location
Roof rack (y/n, for which gear): N - Adding LFD Crossbars for factory rack for recovery boards
Rear loadout (setup/overall gear): Tool kit, First Aid, Recovery Straps, lots of water
Spares(what parts):Matching 33" spare tire
Camp setup(RTT, Hammock, Ground tent): DIY Sleeping Platform or Ground Tent
Armor(type): C4 full skids (since my ride height is low-ish) and sliders soon.
On-board air(y/n, type): Smittybuilt 2871
Winch(y/n, type): N
 
I never raced but grew up in a family of truck drivers, racing engineers, favorite uncle built dragsters, Indy cars (crew chiefed for Mickey Thompson) did support for the early Baja's and designed the Challenger, which had the world's land speed record for a while (He's third from left):

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I've had at least one 4WD in the family from the early 1970's to date. driven the old Mojave Road Trail in an FJ40 TLC. Had everything from a Subaru to a Jeep to a 4Runner (The best!). No one vehicle will do one: The 4Runner is the best highway and the FJ40 is the best offroad.

All the driver's I've met: Tommy Ivo, Ed Iskenderian, Mickey, Bill Stroppe, etc. all agree that it isn't the vehicle but the driver that is the most important component!

That's cool. I've been involved in professional dragracing (Top Fuel) for about 20 years, and have helped quite a few teams in LSR on the Bonneville Salt Flats, over the same time frame.
 
I haven't had my 4Runner for very long, but I'm slowly modifying it. It is an ORP and everything you listed there is exactly what I have on my list of things to do to it: RCI aluminum skids including the gas tank skid, RCI sliders, and Fox 2.5 with a 2" lift.

The only thing different on that list was that I was going to go with 265/70/17 AT tires, I figured sticking with the OEM size would simplify things. I do want to switch to lighter weight wheels eventually.

My only question to you is: you said no steel bumper. I have been going back and forth on installing a winch. When looking into them and everything involved, I've came to the conclusion that a hybrid steel bumper would be the best way to mount a winch.

I have been looking at the LFD hybrid steel bumper since it leaves the winch pretty accessible. Is there some other way to install a winch without going with a steel bumper?

I did see the hidden winch mount options too, and I do like that they save some weight vs the hybrid steel bumpers. The only downside I keep seeing mentioned though is that you don't have easy access to the winch that way.

Also, I do know that there are aluminum front bumper options, but I think if I'm going to go through the work and money of replacing the OEM front end I might as well get the added protection of steel at the front.

I think I'd start by saying that there's really no perfect answer for everyone. Everything is a bit of a balancing act. I just generally see a lot of stuff bolted on for style that doesn't offer much or anything in terms of performance benefits. And often significantly degrade the highway performance. Anything that adds weight or wind resistance will degrade performance. And they all add up. So it's worth taking a hard look at whether the things really help or not and if the benefit outweighs the costs.

I think the partial steel bumpers are a pretty decent compromise for a lot of people. And even full steel bumpers probably make sense for some people where they are doing a lot of offroading where they would be doing a lot of damage to the plastic bumpers. I've just found that most of the time the plastic bumpers are just fine - especially the front bumper. The front lower center does drag in places. The front sides have enough clearance in OEM form to clear anything I've ever come across. And by cutting them high you expose a lot of the parts to road debris and offroad damage that would otherwise be protected.

If I were using it on a ranch for a ranch truck that I'd rarely be using out on a highway, I'd probably want a big heavy steel bumper on both ends so I could use it to push things around without worrying about it. Much like how I'd normally have a flatbed and a big bull bar on a HD truck. Sometime it's more like bumper cars around a farm or ranch.

For a vehicle I'm going to take long road trips and explore up to moderate to maybe 6-7 type trails like the rubicon or poison spider/gold bar rim being sort of the limit - for that type of use, I prefer lower road noise for the 700 mile drive to the trail. And I prefer the lighter weight on the trails and on the highway. Not to mention that it's also a lot cheaper to keep the OEM bumpers - or even replace them a few times.

On the rear bumper - I don't know why you'd want to move the spare tire up to the bumper when there's a perfectly good spot for it underneath unless you're out desert racing where you're going to be burning through multiple tires per day for example. And not at the expense of 200 or 300 lbs. For me that doesn't make much sense. Not for a mulit-use vehicle that I also want to frequently access the rear cargo area and infrequently access the spare tire. Only once in 7 years did I have a flat tire. And my 34" tires still fit underneath. But someone who is going through tires regularly might find that they need 2 spares and/or want it hanging off the back instead.

For me - I found that it was as capable as I think I needed it to be and made the best compromise for daily driver and adventure vehicle to have a rear bumper protection skid and front hidden winch. I don't think I would have survived without good underbelly skids.

In my perfect world - I would have absolutely LOVED to have something like AHC from lexus. The biggest compromise that I think exist on the 5th gen is the trade between highway and offroad ride heights. I adjusted mine at least a dozen times in 7 years, had multiple iterations of air springs, coils with air helpers, spacers with light weight springs, and adjustments up front. And I never found something that was great for everything. Even just for offroad use. Above around 1.5-2" lift height and you lose articulation and the higher speed and general trail duty along with highway ride. But you give up ground clearance. And with only 33 or 34" tires, that's a problem on the more technical end of the trails I'd like to do.

Rear air is easy enough to make adjustable height. Front suspension is not so easy. I tried to find someone to build me an air spring that will fit over a fox 2.5 shock body. None of the major air spring makers would build something like that. I'd love to have something like the lexus LX. But I'd also want to keep the ride and performance of higher end shocks. So my last thought on the idea was to use a secondary shock hoop setup in the front and then run a fox air shock along with the coilover, but I'd remove the valving from the airshock, so it would only exist as a spring.

Anyway, suspension is a tricky issue to find something adjustable. But I seem to find around 2" height is where it works best all around.
 

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